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BDSM Saint? - 2/8/2006 8:32:42 PM   
candystripper


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Catholic saints are holy people and human people who lived extraordinary lives. Each saint the Church honors responded to God's invitation to use his or her unique gifts. God calls each one of us to be a saint.

February 8, 2006

St. Josephine Bakhita

(c. 1868-1947)

For many years, Josephine Bakhita was a slave but her spirit was always free and eventually that spirit prevailed.

Born in Olgossa in the Darfur region of southern Sudan, Josephine was kidnapped at the age of seven, sold into slavery and given the name Bakhita, which means fortunate. She was re-sold several times, finally in 1883 to Callisto Legnani, Italian consul in Khartoum, Sudan.

Two years later he took Josephine to Italy and gave her to his friend Augusto Michieli. Bakhita became babysitter to Mimmina Michieli, whom she accompanied to Venice's Institute of the Catechumens, run by the Canossian Sisters. While Mimmina was being instructed, Josephine felt drawn to the Catholic Church. She was baptized and confirmed in 1890, taking the name Josephine.

When the Michielis returned from Africa and wanted to take Mimmina and Josephine back with them, the future saint refused to go. During the ensuing court case, the Canossian sisters and the patriarch of Venice intervened on Josephine's behalf. The judge concluded that since slavery was illegal in Italy, she had actually been free since 1885.

Josephine entered the Institute of St. Magdalene of Canossa in 1893 and made her profession three years later. In 1902, she was transferred to the city of Schio (northeast of Verona), where she assisted her religious community through cooking, sewing, embroidery and welcoming visitors at the door. She soon became well loved by the children attending the sisters' school and the local citizens. She once said, "Be good, love the Lord, pray for those who do not know Him. What a great grace it is to know God!"

The first steps toward her beatification began in 1959. She was beatified in 1992 and canonized eight years later.

Comment:

Josephine's body was mutilated by those who enslaved her, but they could not touch her inner spirit. Her Baptism set her on an eventual path toward asserting her civic freedom and then service to God's people as a Canossian sister.

She who worked under many "masters" was finally happy to address God as "master" and carry out everything that she believed to be God's will for her.

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During his homily at her canonization Mass in St. Peter's Square, Pope John Paul II said that in St. Josephine Bakhita, "We find a shining advocate of genuine emancipation. The history of her life inspires not passive acceptance but the firm resolve to work effectively to free girls and women from oppression and violence, and to return them to their dignity in the full exercise of their rights."

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RE: BDSM Saint? - 2/8/2006 11:07:40 PM   
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You're starting to worry me.

I'm either confused on the topic... or simply the topic being posted. But between this post.. and your other one... I feel I'm going to fail this history class.

Informative... yes.... but still confused.

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RE: BDSM Saint? - 2/9/2006 1:34:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Im a little confused too Candy. Are you allright love?

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RE: BDSM Saint? - 2/9/2006 3:32:12 AM   
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RE: BDSM Saint? - 2/9/2006 4:53:50 AM   
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Candy....

You're starting to worry me.

I'm either confused on the topic... or simply the topic being posted. But between this post.. and your other one... I feel I'm going to fail this history class.

Informative... yes.... but still confused.

truesub4u


For you, dear, we'll just test your memory of dates. LOL.

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RE: BDSM Saint? - 2/9/2006 4:55:46 AM   
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Im a little confused too Candy. Are you allright love?

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Quite..even better perhaps..giggles. Read my journal entries?

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RE: BDSM Saint? - 2/9/2006 4:58:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ya know, i do not think i come in "parts"; i am a whole person, and love God just as i do my friends and my hopes for a Dom and Master.

But here's a good question: why aren't there more Native American and African-American saints?

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RE: BDSM Saint? - 2/9/2006 5:24:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: candystripper

Ya know, i do not think i come in "parts"; i am a whole person, and love God just as i do my friends and my hopes for a Dom and Master.

But here's a good question: why aren't there more Native American and African-American saints?

candystripper


Who is to say there isn't, not just recognised by the Vatican? You have defined what a Saint is by the Vatican's standards, so let those standards apply accross the board and I'll warrent that there are quite a few who would qualify but are not recognised because their faith base is not RC.

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RE: BDSM Saint? - 2/9/2006 5:28:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sir, as a rule, Catholic Missions will not dispense medicine, education or food unless the individual converts. Seems as iof there should be tons of RC African-Americans and Native Americans from the 17th and 18th centuries.

i read "The Lives of the Saints" many years ago, and seems to me we were canonizimg plently of people who were no more than martyrs.

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RE: BDSM Saint? - 2/9/2006 5:36:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FTopinMichigan

I'm not confused, but surprised to see the topic of "religion" to be a regular topic (lately)on a BDSM message forum. I don't see it has a place here myself.

Separation of church and lifestyle!

K

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WHY????????????????????????????


I can happily justify both Gor and BDSM within a reasonably standard Pagan Framework.... If I can to that, you can bet your sexy ass that I'm willing to use some practical but arcane sorcery to draw a suitable salve or suitable slave material to me and then let things progress naturally without the use of arcane power. In my reconing that is combiing both lifestyles and my religion. In any case if you suscribe as some do that there is Divinity within each of us, why then we are all Gods and Goddesses and thgus it would be impossible to seperate the devine (us) from the lifestyle. Even the panthion of Gods have to have a play time too.

"God spoke unto Moses from the burning bush and in reply to Moses's question as to who the voice belonged to, God answered (There are two translations) 'I Am What I Am / I Am That I Am'"

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RE: BDSM Saint? - 2/9/2006 6:55:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IronBear
Who is to say there isn't, not just recognised by the Vatican? You have defined what a Saint is by the Vatican's standards, so let those standards apply accross the board and I'll warrent that there are quite a few who would qualify but are not recognised because their faith base is not RC.


But, of course, if they don't bow down to the right idol they will be damned in hell to burn for eternity, not because they were bad people, but because they bet on the wrong horse.

This is one of the reasons most organized religions make me want to toss my lunch.

Like you, I've traveled a lot in the Third World and met some wonderful caring people whose beliefs were quite different from mine. I find it amazing that "god does not love them" because they don't buy the shit peddled by the missionaries.

Sorry if I seem a bit harsh here, but they are a particular bête noire of mine. There is something awesomely not right about people who go into a foreign culture and demand that the locals give up their traditional religion and withhold needed food and medical care if the locals don't.



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RE: BDSM Saint? - 2/9/2006 6:59:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		I just don't see the point. This is a nice story and all but it has no relevance to BDSM or any lifestyle. This woman wasn't a martyr for BDSM, she wasn't a slave because it drew her to it. She was not made a saint because she loved kinky sex. Religon may be apart of you as it is for many, candy, but this just doesn't has relevance to anyone but you.

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RE: BDSM Saint? - 2/9/2006 7:47:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ahhh but there is the wonderfull about CM. I accept that for you none of the religious things have no relevance to BDSM, and I respect your view, however it does for others and thus is the relevance of such a post. I find there are threads which hold no interest to me especially from a Gorean Aspect, so I simply just ignore the threads which saves me time composing replies stating that I can't see the value of the thread....... We each have our own ways and none are either right or wrong but both are correct and incorrect.

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RE: BDSM Saint? - 2/9/2006 7:54:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Candy ! I've missed your sharp mind and lively wit here.



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RE: BDSM Saint? - 2/9/2006 7:55:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FTopinMichigan

I'm not confused, but surprised to see the topic of "religion" to be a regular topic (lately)on a BDSM message forum. I don't see it has a place here myself.

Separation of church and lifestyle!



Would you feel the same about Wiccan or pagan postings?
Just curious.
Personally... i find nothing wrong with it.
Why can't we balance or faith/spirituality/religion with BDSM?
And in particular with D/s??
Oftentimes D/s relationships are quite similar to biblical teachings on marriage.

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RE: BDSM Saint? - 2/9/2006 7:57:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: candystripper

But here's a good question: why aren't there more Native American and African-American saints?




Hmmmm. Not sure. Perhaps because there historically Catholicism hasn't drawn large populations of Native Americans or African-Americans.
And more specifically.... how many of the saints were Americans at all?

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RE: BDSM Saint? - 2/9/2006 8:00:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44

I just don't see the point. This is a nice story and all but it has no relevance to BDSM or any lifestyle. This woman wasn't a martyr for BDSM, she wasn't a slave because it drew her to it. She was not made a saint because she loved kinky sex. Religon may be apart of you as it is for many, candy, but this just doesn't has relevance to anyone but you.


Now this, i will agree with.
Nice story.. but quite right that it has nothing to do with BDSM. She was not a slave of her own choosing, but forced into it.

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RE: BDSM Saint? - 2/9/2006 8:14:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FTopinMichigan

I'm not confused, but surprised to see the topic of "religion" to be a regular topic (lately)on a BDSM message forum. I don't see it has a place here myself.

Separation of church and lifestyle!

K

Edited for typo only


I disagree. Religion, spirituality, BDSM, art, writings... all are linked depending on the person involved. Each individual uses different tools - religion, for some, is just another tool and it should have just as valid place as any other subject.

Then again, as I am one of those that uses religion as a tool - I would say that.

If a thread doesn't interest me I pass it by... if it offends me enough to respond, I will.
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RE: BDSM Saint? - 2/9/2006 8:18:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		IronBear, my post was to the thread title and subsequent story by the OP in general and not to the conversation between you and candy specificly. I apologize for any confusion. And as I said, although BDSM and religon is part of the OP as it is for many, the story has no BDSM reference what so ever. Therefore the title of BDSM Saint is misleading and unwarrented.

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RE: BDSM Saint? - 2/9/2006 8:19:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: darkangel

I disagree. Religion, spirituality, BDSM, art, writings... all are linked depending on the person involved. Each individual uses different tools - religion, for some, is just another tool and it should have just as valid place as any other subject.

Then again, as I am one of those that uses religion as a tool - I would say that.

If a thread doesn't interest me I pass it by... if it offends me enough to respond, I will.
Freedom of speach and expression is a wonderous thing.

Peace and Rapture


Thankyou angel, you really are a sweetheart and not just for the way you put things so concisely.. Regards to your Master too lovely lass and my blessings to you and yours.

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