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ORIGINAL: Asherdelampyr
ok, what is the evidence that suggests that killing people who perform violent crimes does not stop those people from commiting further crimes?
Go ahead, Ill wait
One of the prime targets for Crime and Disorder Reducing Partnerships (CDRPs) must be to reduce the number of those caught committing crimes who re-offend. It is estimated that out of a million active offenders, 100,000 offenders – 10 per cent – have three or more convictions and are responsible for half of all crime. Within this 100,000, a further 5,000 – 0.5 per cent – are super prolific. There are a number of organisations and initiatives targeted at reducing re-offending.
source: http://www.idea.gov.uk/idk/core/page.do?pageId=8790076
It's also worth bearing in mind that with the death penalty with every execution you have a tendency to double the number of victims or people bereaved from someone's death, which you don't have with life sentences.
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ORIGINAL: Asherdelampyr
I have read up on the subject, and one simple fact remains, when someone is dead they are not at the same time other places commiting crimes.
I have read up on the subject and have done advocacy work for the NCADP,.
One simple fact concerning the death penalty is that it punishes not just one person, but also innocent victims - i.e. their family.
This is not to mention states who are consistent offenders when it comes to denying Death Row prisoners due process despite over 26 Supreme Court rulings (Furman vs. Glass, Lockett vs. Ohio, etc) and despite the fact that there is legislation and rulings in place for it to be administered fairly the US capital punishment system remains arbitrary and unfair.
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ORIGINAL: Asherdelampyr
Smuggling drugs is a stupid thing to be put to death for, luckily in the US you can be convicted of multiple counts of it and still become the editor of a successful magazine
That depends. Both the states of Florida and Missouri advocate the death penalty for drug trafficking. Unlike Federal law (the Anti-Drug Abuse Act 1988) this is not restricted to capital drug trafficking, i.e. drug trafficking involving a murder.
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ORIGINAL: Asherdelampyr
Now Murder, Rape, and any violent crime that involves a child
that a fair standard for capital punishment?
Rape involving a minor is punishable by death in Georgia, Texas, Louisana, Oklahoma and South Carolina and the US Military. In Florida Buford vs. State 403 So. 2d 943, 951 (Fla 1981) held that it was unconstitutional.
Coker vs. Georgia 433 US 584 (1977) held that the death penalty for rape is unconstitutional and violates the Eighth Amendment. It is precisely the limits of this ruling which is being tested by the above states.
However Kennedy vs. Louisana 554 US ___ (2008) expanded on the Coker ruling where the US Supreme Court held that the Eighth Amendment's Cruel and Unusual Punishment Clause did not permit imposing the death penalty for rape of a minor and more importantly that the power of the state to impose the death penalty for crimes not involving the death of the victim is restricted to crimes against the state, such as espionage and treason.
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