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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/5/2009 4:36:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with Marie.  When I find someone attractive, I tend to take bits and pieces of conversations and turn it into: "oh, wow, he's so smart, intelligent, knowledgeable about ________ (fill in the blank)".  Maybe he is.  Or maybe I want him to be, as it validates how I feel about him.

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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/5/2009 8:21:20 PM   
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Last night at work i was having a discussion with my work mates about intelligence. It came about because one of my female work mates whilst being absolutely lovely is the blondest person i've ever met. My male work mates stated that women are either beautiful or intelligent, that it is rare to find both qualities in a woman. In their defence to stop you thinking they are completely sexist they agreed it was hard to find males who were both too.
 
They challenged me to come up with three women who were both and i couldn't do it. They either disagreed that the woman was intelligent or that she was beautiful. I came up with Carol Vorderman, they said she was ropey looking nowadays, Angelina Jolie, they kind of let me have.
 
I suggested Madonna, shes still good looking to me and she is intelligent. They said no, that in her younger days she was hot and not so intelligent and that now she is intelligent, savvy but not good looking anymore. I found this quite interesting!!
 
It's got me thinking, is there some truth to the its rare to find intelligence and beauty in a person? Is it possible that as we get older we have to develop as a person for example in intelligence to attract the other sex, get further ahead because we can't rely on our looks anymore?
 
And if anyone can come up with three attractive women who are also intelligent you'd be helping me out to shut the sexist pigs up lol


Don't need 3....the last chic I dated was both stunning...and brilliant.

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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/5/2009 8:51:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Have you taken into account the fact that it's hard enough getting people to agree on what's "beautiful" or "intelligent" individually to begin with?


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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/5/2009 10:12:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I realise that generalizations are damn near impossible to prove, but in my time I have indeed noticed that good looks and brains don't often go together. My personal theory on this is that the good looking ones learn early on that they can just coast on their looks, and they never really have to apply themselves. As many good looking, intelligent people as we can mention, I feel safe in saying we all know a damn sight more beautiful airheads.

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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/6/2009 12:40:08 AM   
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Last night at work i was having a discussion with my work mates about intelligence. It came about because one of my female work mates whilst being absolutely lovely is the blondest person i've ever met. My male work mates stated that women are either beautiful or intelligent, that it is rare to find both qualities in a woman. In their defence to stop you thinking they are completely sexist they agreed it was hard to find males who were both too. 
 


There must be an element of company you keep. I'm thinking of work friends and family and would say there are plenty that are both.

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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/6/2009 7:53:34 AM   
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Last night at work i was having a discussion with my work mates about intelligence. It came about because one of my female work mates whilst being absolutely lovely is the blondest person i've ever met. My male work mates stated that women are either beautiful or intelligent, that it is rare to find both qualities in a woman. In their defence to stop you thinking they are completely sexist they agreed it was hard to find males who were both too. 
 


There must be an element of company you keep. I'm thinking of work friends and family and would say there are plenty that are both.


Workwise you don't have to be a rocket scientist to work behind a bar and it attracts air heads, so yeah i work with a few. However the under manager and boss and other bloke i work with, who i was having the discussion with are extremely intelligent. Are they attractive? Erm one or two lol.
My friends are a mixed bag but i couldn't use them as examples really as my work mates don't know them. Same with family.

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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/6/2009 9:45:01 AM   
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Your work mates cling to this because they aren't getting anything better.


Obviously not as one of them is dating a pretty reasonably as far as i can tell woman. The other whilst single has dated pretty, intelligent women.


Then what's he arguing about? Doesn't he realize his own personal experience disproves his assertion?


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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/6/2009 11:44:22 AM   
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Workwise you don't have to be a rocket scientist to work behind a bar



I worked behind a bar at university and I am a rocket scientist. In fact it was a prerequisite as stated on the job advert.

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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/6/2009 5:17:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Whose standard of beauty are we using?  And whose standard of intelligence? 

The answer for both is so drastically different for every human being that it would be impossible to reach a consensus.  I can think of dozens of women I find strikingly beautiful, and strikingly intelligent.  The same goes for men.  Would you agree with me about most of them, on one point or the other?  I doubt it.  And why would I care?


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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/6/2009 6:15:26 PM   
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Your work mates cling to this because they aren't getting anything better.


Obviously not as one of them is dating a pretty reasonably as far as i can tell woman. The other whilst single has dated pretty, intelligent women.


Then what's he arguing about? Doesn't he realize his own personal experience disproves his assertion?



He said they were a rarity, not that they didn't exist. Obviously he has dated the rareties lol.

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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/6/2009 6:16:42 PM   
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Workwise you don't have to be a rocket scientist to work behind a bar



I worked behind a bar at university and I am a rocket scientist. In fact it was a prerequisite as stated on the job advert.


Lol, bless

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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/6/2009 6:18:57 PM   
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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/6/2009 7:07:45 PM   
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder definately and that makes it hard for me to name three they will agree on. Intelligence is also measured differently by people so again hard to come to an agreement on that too.


This is so true, Misst.  On the beauty side, I think it really boils down to personal preferences and what one is attracted to.  I've talked to men who found it hard to classify any brunette women as "beautiful"... but they were partial to blondes.  There have been women that I thought were stunning, but with whom Firm wasn't impressed.  My best friend when growing up was, in my opinion, really kinda funny looking... long face, close set eyes, absolutely no waist (I mean literally... where her boobs ended, her hips began), and chicken legs ending in pidgeon toed feet... but everywhere we went, guys just completely drooled over her.  (lol... And completely ignored me... did wonders for my ego while growing up. )

As for intelligence, I believe a lot has to do with how we classify ourselves and what type of intelligence we value. 

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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/6/2009 9:00:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I struggle to understand the whole  premise. I've  never in my life met a truly beautiful woman who wasn't intelligent. I've met  women whose appearance was nothing short of stunning, but after speaking with them for only a few minutes, found nothing the least bit attractive about them because they were simply vapid. In my eyes, genuine beauty is just not possible unless there's someone living in  there. 

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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/6/2009 9:26:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Intelligence cannot be measured too accurately but the structure of one's intellect can..with gifted ness and talent levels in many areas..and one's person's opinion of intelligent might be how good they are at poker...how many degress they have..what business sense they have? how well they intuite the needs of others..how well they can recite the alphabet//

and BEAUTY as well..it can be socialized..from the environment..such as a space between teeth as beauty in some AF cultures..or a long neck or huge lips..
its can be personal..as in body preferences or what turns the person on for  breeding purposes and passing on of seed at a primal level.....it can be beauty within...
or a mass consciousness belief system one buys into

I think the beautiful and intelligent women your mates speak of are probably centred around news worthy..famous...movie star -in the media  beautiful as in public eye type..and yet they may know a woman at the bank..a woman at the grocery store ..a relative..who fits the criteria or an expanded one..it they released from western society's idea of BEAUTY and intelligence..


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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/7/2009 7:58:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think maybe we notice the brainy aspects of people who are not blessed with beauty simply because we are not distracted by that beauty and those folks cannot trade on their looks so they put their best foot forward - the intellect. Conversely, perhaps those who are blessed with good looks don't have to play their Mensa card as often or as hard.

Not only is beauty in the eye of the beholder but intellect is, as well. It can be very subjective.

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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/7/2009 10:33:37 AM   
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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/7/2009 10:39:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Most people confuse itelligence with education.  They are not one and the same.  Intellegence is the ability to recall and problem solve.  Education is the facts (or what we believe to be facts) we have learned and use when applying our intelligence.
We might say that a inner city street thug is uneducated and therefore not intelligent. What we really mean is that he hasn't had a formal, that is liberal arts college, education.  In fact the street thug may be very intelligent and, what's more, very well educated - his education being in how to survive on the mean streets.  There are probably a great many people who are highly intelligent but we don't recognize them as such because they never had the formal education that allows them to discuss Greek philosophy.

Converely, there are many well educated idiots - people who have been stuffed full of facts but lack the intelligence to put them to use. 

I call them politicians.     

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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/7/2009 5:15:39 PM   
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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/7/2009 10:29:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		This sums up how I feel about physical attractiveness for any gender. If the personality sucks and/or they are dumb as a fence post then the physical attractiveness alone is like painting one side of a barn.

On the other hand if someone is moderately attractive and has a great personality and intelligence they become gorgeous to me.

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I struggle to understand the whole  premise. I've  never in my life met a truly beautiful woman who wasn't intelligent. I've met  women whose appearance was nothing short of stunning, but after speaking with them for only a few minutes, found nothing the least bit attractive about them because they were simply vapid. In my eyes, genuine beauty is just not possible unless there's someone living in  there. 



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