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RE: Yikes! Obama's approval ratings still up. - 6/7/2009 10:47:53 AM

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Again, if you go back to the pollingreport.com numbers in the original links his overall approval is between 59% and 64% in the six polls taken in the past month, so I'm not sure where you are coming up with 53%.

And sorry, but yes, my "dismissive ridicule" will always be there in response to the "dismissive ridicule" from someone else.

Or did you miss this comment from the poster I was replying to:

Don't confuse them with facts, Thadius.

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RE: Yikes! Obama's approval ratings still up. - 6/7/2009 11:30:32 AM

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Again, if you go back to the pollingreport.com numbers... I'm not sure where you are coming up with 53%.

Duhh... you were talking about Rasmussen in the comment I responded to. The clue to this was the quote from your post that I included in mine:

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Net presidential approval rating? Well, you have to give Rasmussen points for creativity.

Can you guess now where I found the 53%?

Obama Approval Index History

Actually, though, I looked at the top line, which is (now) the 6/7 numbers, but referred to the date as 6/6 in my post. It was 53% on 6/6 too, but the other numbers have changed slightly and the ones I reported in my post were from 6/7.

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RE: Yikes! Obama's approval ratings still up. - 6/7/2009 12:42:28 PM

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While I find it hard to have an intelligent discussion with anyone who uses the term "Duhh", I will try and respond.

You are quoting a poll to me that I've already said I find to be biased.

Which comes down to you believing it and me disputing it.

Only you fail to take into account the six other polls in the original link, which I hope you have gotten around to viewing by now, that show the numbers considerably higher.

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RE: Yikes! Obama's approval ratings still up. - 6/7/2009 12:46:38 PM

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Net presidential approval rating?

Well, you have to give Rasmussen points for creativity.

Incidentally, aren't polls supposed to be objective and unbiased?

How can that be true when he is constantly writing articles like the one you cited manipulating his own polling data to push his conservative agenda?

Rasmussen has always used the net rating as the most significant indicator, including for both Bush's. You can argue whether its an appropriate measure, but you have no basis to say its biased.

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RE: Yikes! Obama's approval ratings still up. - 6/7/2009 12:53:19 PM

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And by the way, the reason I'm disputing it is because the questions in the Rasmussen Poll are not straight approve or disapprove questions as the other polls.

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RE: Yikes! Obama's approval ratings still up. - 6/7/2009 6:33:31 PM

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Yup, still averaging in the 60's, right where they've been since he took office: http://www.pollingreport.com/obama_job.htm

(for comparison, Bush was in the high 20's in 2008: http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm )

And, I would guess that his approval rating is going to go higher. Republicans criticize everything that Obama says or does. However, I do not see the electorate following the Republican rhetoric. Several commentators have asked in passing whether Obama is smart enough to create all this criticism which to them is backfiring on the Republicans. For example, in speaking with some citizens of Mexican descent they are furious about their calling his appointee a racist and identify such language as the typical Republican kneejerk. The Republicans have alienated a whole lot of people with that kneejerk response on various issues. Also, perhaps the Republicans should make someone a spokesman for their party. Right now everything uttered by Limbaugh and Cheney is being attributed to all Republicans. I personally love it. The Republicans are committing suicide and cannot help themselves.

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RE: Yikes! Obama's approval ratings still up. - 6/7/2009 8:57:22 PM

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And, I would guess that his approval rating is going to go higher.

You may be right. But right now, there are a few other things going higher. The yeild on 10 year Treasury notes has jumped to 3.7 percent, up from 2.5 percent in March. Money is getting more expensive to borrow, as the Fed's spending spree erodes market confidence in the US ability to repay. The rate on 30 year mortgages has risen to its highest since December, taking the bloom off hopes for a bounce in the real estate market. And unemployment rose to 9.4 percent in May, as more and more people remained out of work despite a slight slowing in the rate at which the economy is shedding jobs. If this keeps up very much longer, Obama's high approval rating (assuming it stays high) is going to look like a clown suit.

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RE: Yikes! Obama's approval ratings still up. - 6/7/2009 9:38:03 PM

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And, I would guess that his approval rating is going to go higher.

You may be right. But right now, there are a few other things going higher. The yeild on 10 year Treasury notes has jumped to 3.7 percent, up from 2.5 percent in March. Money is getting more expensive to borrow, as the Fed's spending spree erodes market confidence in the US ability to repay. The rate on 30 year mortgages has risen to its highest since December, taking the bloom off hopes for a bounce in the real estate market. And unemployment rose to 9.4 percent in May, as more and more people remained out of work despite a slight slowing in the rate at which the economy is shedding jobs. If this keeps up very much longer, Obama's high approval rating (assuming it stays high) is going to look like a clown suit.

K.

Since the unemployment figures are lagging indicators I will have to wait and see.

I would hope that Obama and his advisors are preparing for inflation. Perhaps since the government now has so much clout in the banking industry, interest rates above a certain level will not be allowed for the good of the country.

Since the banking lobby is the strongest on capital hill and owns the republican party perhaps the electorate will blame the republicans for higher interest rates.

I believe that Obama is so far ahead of the republicans on the curve that whatever happens the republicans will suffer the most. The electorate likes Obama personally.

It will be interesting.

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RE: Yikes! Obama's approval ratings still up. - 6/8/2009 12:24:14 AM

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Perhaps since the government now has so much clout in the banking industry, interest rates above a certain level will not be allowed for the good of the country.

The Federal Reserve has ALWAYS had this ability.

If your goal is to fight inflation, though, you'll need to RAISE those interest rates. This makes money more costly--exactly the opposite of inflation, which reduces purchasing power.

However, this would also slow the economy and push up unemployment.

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RE: Yikes! Obama's approval ratings still up. - 6/8/2009 5:58:07 AM

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Amazing how the "facts" seem to get rewritten when it suits the GOP...

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RE: Yikes! Obama's approval ratings still up. - 6/8/2009 6:02:28 AM

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Amazing how the "facts" seem to get rewritten when it suits the GOP...

Wow, now Lorr is a Republican!!

I've gotta call my broker. I see a rosy future for pharmaceutical stocks.

K.

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RE: Yikes! Obama's approval ratings still up. - 6/8/2009 4:57:27 PM

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I know I keep doing this ... but (since it's you) rather than steal from you, can I use that on the website in the future too?

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RE: Yikes! Obama's approval ratings still up. - 6/9/2009 4:21:50 PM

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You may be right. But right now, there are a few other things going higher. The yeild on 10 year Treasury notes has jumped to 3.7 percent, up from 2.5 percent in March. Money is getting more expensive to borrow, as the Fed's spending spree erodes market confidence in the US ability to repay. The rate on 30 year mortgages has risen to its highest since December, taking the bloom off hopes for a bounce in the real estate market. And unemployment rose to 9.4 percent in May, as more and more people remained out of work despite a slight slowing in the rate at which the economy is shedding jobs. If this keeps up very much longer, Obama's high approval rating (assuming it stays high) is going to look like a clown suit.

Interesting.

So you view the increase in yield on 10-year Treasury notes as a negative sign?

And those mortgage rates that have been going up since December, how do those compare to the past ten years?

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