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Who knew...Moore was right - 6/7/2009 4:01:41 AM

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I have never been a fan of Michael Moore, however if you watch his film Rodger and me, Moore nailed it.

20 years ago when he made that movie he predicted in the film the current status of the US auto makers., down to us taxpayers footing the bill.

Geez...does that mean the rest of his films are that accurate

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RE: Who knew...Moore was right - 6/7/2009 4:09:56 AM

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unfortunately, yes

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RE: Who knew...Moore was right - 6/7/2009 5:08:45 AM

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It's a very good movie. It shows a company town falling apart and not having a clue what to do about it. It takes no prisoners and there is a scene in which a fast food restaurant owner states that he can't use laid off auto workers for his place because they have no work ethic.

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RE: Who knew...Moore was right - 6/7/2009 5:53:48 AM

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Even a blind dog can manage to piss on a fire hydrant once in a while.

The rest of his movies are accurate unless you put everything he quotes into the actual context that it came from.

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RE: Who knew...Moore was right - 6/7/2009 7:45:30 AM

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Moore is very talented when it comes to taking a kernel of truth and wrapping it in innuendo. It's been many years since I have seen "Roger and Me". I'd have to go back and review it. He was a nobody filmmaker then and may not have been up to the shenanigans he is these days. It may have some merit to it. After "Bowling For Columbine" I wrote him off for the propagandist that he is. I loved Heston's magical changing wardrobe.

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RE: Who knew...Moore was right - 6/7/2009 7:55:57 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: housesub4you

I have never been a fan of Michael Moore, however if you watch his film Rodger and me, Moore nailed it.

20 years ago when he made that movie he predicted in the film the current status of the US auto makers., down to us taxpayers footing the bill.

Geez...does that mean the rest of his films are that accurate

I swear I was talking about Michael Moore just yesterday, and the job situation here in the US.
Have you read the bood "Outsourcing of America"? He wrote that book a few years ago about
how we were sitting back and not raising hell while most big businesses OUTSOURCED many of
our jobs to 3rd world countries.
As I sit back and watch Americans BEG for jobs in 2009, I would say Michael was dead fucking on.
Micheal Moore tend's to hit the nail dead on, more times than not.

It is tragically/funny when those that trash his idea's and opinions literallly get their asses kicked by the words that they were formally laughing about.
I have been talking about this Outsourcing crap since the 1980's myself/many people saw this coming and have talked about it for YEARS.
It has been so obvious to me and I am not in any type of financial planning sitution, and I have ordinary citizens like ME can see or the ramifications for the U.S., it makes me questions a few people's IQ's.
Are people just blind, crazy, don't care? or are they all sitting aruond drinking the damn kool-aid?
Chickens are coming home to roost now like a mother fuck.

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RE: Who knew...Moore was right - 6/7/2009 8:30:52 AM

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quote:

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unfortunately, yes

"Gee Dad, when you were growing up didn't people have jobs?"
"We did son, we allowed the greedy and the big business corporations to send most of them overseas!
We outsourced our own Country!"

"How stupid was that dad?"
"Very stupid son, that is why me and your mom, have been looking for a job for 1 year, to pay
us half of what we used to make".

"Dad that sucks, why didn't the people rise up and do anything about it, before it was too late?"
"Son, most of us were deaf, dumb and blind to see what was going on and to realize it would come back and
kick us in the ass later."

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RE: Who knew...Moore was right - 6/7/2009 8:40:21 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: housesub4you

I have never been a fan of Michael Moore, however if you watch his film Rodger and me, Moore nailed it.

20 years ago when he made that movie he predicted in the film the current status of the US auto makers., down to us taxpayers footing the bill.

Geez...does that mean the rest of his films are that accurate

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

It's a very good movie. It shows a company town falling apart and not having a clue what to do about it. It takes no prisoners and there is a scene in which a fast food restaurant owner states that he can't use laid off auto workers for his place because they have no work ethic.

I've never been a fan of MMoore - mostly because he is a unkempt schlub. In my mind, unkempt schlubs can lack self-discipline - sometimes self-respect. I'm honest enough to say that his schlub-iness has always distracted ME from whatever he was trying to say.

Recent events have given credence to his work in the minds of SOME of those folks indifferent to him and/or his message.

I've never watched Rodger and Me but now I have to because I LOVE that line !!!

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RE: Who knew...Moore was right - 6/7/2009 9:44:58 AM

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Moore reminds me of a scientist who comes up with a conclusion then performs research to find basis for that solution. Sometimes he's right because he is right and other times he is right because he has ignored everything that doesn't support his conclusion. I've seen him play fast and loose with quotes and clips and it just leads me not to trust the information he puts forth.

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RE: Who knew...Moore was right - 6/7/2009 10:51:48 AM

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ORIGINAL: MzMia
I swear I was talking about Michael Moore just yesterday, and the job situation here in the US.
Have you read the book "Outsourcing of America"? He wrote that book a few years ago about
how we were sitting back and not raising hell while most big businesses OUTSOURCED many of
our jobs to 3rd world countries.
As I sit back and watch Americans BEG for jobs in 2009, I would say Michael was dead fucking on.
Micheal Moore tend's to hit the nail dead on, more times than not.

I did not read the book. What was Moore's solution for the outsourcing issue? What are you suggestions for the outsourcing issue? I agree that outsourcing jobs sucks - especially if your job is outsourced. How would you remedy this? By your own admission you've kept up with this issue some 20 odd years - what are your thoughts on it?

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RE: Who knew...Moore was right - 6/7/2009 11:33:28 AM

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sicko was a good movie. even if yiu hate moore.

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RE: Who knew...Moore was right - 6/7/2009 11:40:19 AM

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http://www.filmsforaction.org/film/?Film=215&Title=SiCKO Sicko- see it free online.

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RE: Who knew...Moore was right - 6/7/2009 11:42:30 AM

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Moore was still halfway sane when he made Roger and Me but since then he has degenerated into nothing more (no pun intended) than a narcissistic, hate spouting, ideological, nutbag. He has no credit or credibility anymore. If he told me that 2+2=4, I'd get a pencil and a piece of paper and do the math - just to be sure.

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RE: Who knew...Moore was right - 6/7/2009 12:10:49 PM

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Roger and Me was an interesting and entertaining film. I liked the woman with her own little cottage industry in rabbits. Moore is a smart and talented guy. This was the film that gave him the credibilty he went on to abuse and exploit.

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RE: Who knew...Moore was right - 6/7/2009 12:26:03 PM

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This was probably the closest he ever came to an unbiased "documentary".
His credibility went downhill from this early point on.

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RE: Who knew...Moore was right - 6/7/2009 8:52:08 PM

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I am a HUGE FAN of Michael Moore, but I've lost some respect for Roger and Me with the current failure of Detroit. Basically, the globalization of the economy doomed the US auto industry which was to many degrees modeled on 1950s and 1960s assumptions -- these were somewhat reworked in the 1980s but not in a fashion that positioned Detroit to compete and thrive in this day and age.

In sum, Roger and Me, brilliant as it was, as many good points as it made, seems oversimplified to me now.

Now I wonder how any labor union can survive in a "global economy." Walmart, not GM, is the new American model of corporate success.

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RE: Who knew...Moore was right - 6/7/2009 8:56:52 PM

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quote:

sicko was a good movie. even if yiu hate moore.

You had to hand it to Moore for highlighting this about BUSH.

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RE: Who knew...Moore was right - 6/7/2009 9:09:03 PM

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sicko was a good movie. even if yiu hate moore.

You had to hand it to Moore for highlighting this about BUSH.

Michael is not 100% correct on any issue, but than I don't expect any human being to be perfect.
That is only for a Higher Being.

As mere humans go, Michael Moore tends to be on the money or near the money, most of the time.
That is good enough for ME.
Fahrenheit 911 was fascinating.
Check out Michaels' website, here is his goodbye letter to GM.

MichaelMoore.com : Goodbye, GM ...by Michael Moore

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RE: Who knew...Moore was right - 6/7/2009 9:12:53 PM

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Yeah.. unkempt schlubs are the worst... like, you know, that Einstien guy... Let's face it, now everyone can be the mental giant and snappy dresser that Ryan Seacrest is!

Yes, Moore is often an ass. Sometimes, to get people to pay attention, you have to act like a know-it-all creep. (Republicans who listen to the blowhards like Limbaugh, O'riley and Beck should be able to relate to that part, anyway.) But, he does check his facts. (Unlike, say, the producers of the anti-science, pro-creationist BS, "Expelled.") So, a good part of the time, he has a point to make. With "Bowling for Columbine" he rightly makes the point that it's the climate of fear we all live in that incites gun violence in the US, compared to Canada. In "Farenheight 9-11" he again makes the point that Bush lied to us, and was exploiting the climate of fear to push his treasonous agenda.

So yeah, he's often right... but he does often make an ass of himself when doing it. Bill Mahr is now jumping on the bandwagon too... with "Religilous." The documentary "film of opinion" is becoming a new and regular genre.

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RE: Who knew...Moore was right - 6/7/2009 9:51:35 PM

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Cloudboy, did you read Michael's letter to GM?
I think what he is proposing to do with what is left of GM is right on point!
Let's sit back and see what happens.

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