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RE: How to survive a grizzly bear attack - 6/12/2009 10:30:09 AM

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Um..yanno..I didn't need to know that... LOL

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RE: How to survive a grizzly bear attack - 6/12/2009 10:43:15 AM

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Are you really alive if you never leave the city though?

In my opinion, you're not. When I'm up in the wilderness, I feel connected to the universe, really alive for the first time every time I go up there. The night sky is fantastic, the air is so clean, and everything smells and tastes so much better. It's a far more natural experience, it's soul cleansing.

Down in the city you may be mauled by a car or a human, which is far more likely to happen than getting mauled by a bear while up there and so any risks associated with enjoying the great outdoors are completely acceptable to me.

I like the outdoors, but I hate roughing it. I like travel trailers and cabins. I'm not a hiker either; we invented motorized transport for a reason. I feel perfectly alive enjoying a drink in an air conditioned/heated enclosure; I feel miserable waking up on the ground in the heat of summer or the cold of winter. I don't need to deal with mosquitos and the lack of hot showers to feel alive.

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RE: How to survive a grizzly bear attack - 6/12/2009 10:45:43 AM

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I dont mind tent camping. I just prefer to do it in a DEVELOPED campground.. yanno, where there are toilets and showers. Did the hiking/primitive camping as a teen. Over it. Although.. gotta say.. being high in the Sierras, no tent, watching the stars... was a totally religious experience/.

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RE: How to survive a grizzly bear attack - 6/12/2009 10:54:18 AM

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Yeah, that's what I'm sayin'.

Leave the couch and the tv and the radio behind and actually get way up there, far away from the roads and the cars and the buzz of "civilization".

It's a feeling like no other, and you'll come back a changed person for the better.

I saw a bear three years ago, more like its big yellow eyes in my flashlight about thirty feet ahead of me in the pitch black darkness. My yellow lab (who had alerted me to its presence outside my camp) was at my heels behind me, didn't want anything to do with that bear, I'm pretty sure it was a black bear.

I felt safe enough, with the dog and my .40 beretta semi auto pistol. I told it to go away, and it did.

It came back when I was asleep in my tent though, rummaged through my fishing gear, didn't do too much harm. No big deal...

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I dont mind tent camping. I just prefer to do it in a DEVELOPED campground.. yanno, where there are toilets and showers. Did the hiking/primitive camping as a teen. Over it. Although.. gotta say.. being high in the Sierras, no tent, watching the stars... was a totally religious experience/.

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RE: How to survive a grizzly bear attack - 6/12/2009 11:03:42 AM

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Sticking your thumb up the bear's anus usually works as it makes the bear feel very sleepy. Your thumb becomes what is known as a 'tappen' which plugs the bear's anus when it hibernates.

It works with all bears except polar bears. I haven't ever tried this, but it was told to me a few years ago by someone who worked at Warsaw Zoo.

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RE: How to survive a grizzly bear attack - 6/12/2009 11:32:17 AM

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the bear repellant makes me laugh
it never seems to work, it just pisses off the bear more

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remember if you and a friend are walking in the woods and you come across a bear all you need to do is out run him,,not the bear just out run your "friend"

you could just blast your buddy with the bear repellent.

That'd probably work like a charm, unless your buddy is one of those hikers who carries a gun. (Makes mental note never to go hiking with Holly, just in case...)

The headlines after the Panda/holly hike: Hikers kill each other while bear watches.

I get this sudden mental image of a bear with a little cartoon thought balloon over his head; "I just wanted to ask the dumb fucks for directions..."

that is so Far Side.... LOL

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RE: How to survive a grizzly bear attack - 6/12/2009 11:43:18 AM

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As crazy as I am, I can imagine plugging my thumb up the bear's arse.

Heck, I had to pull a calf out when I was a kid on the farm!

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RE: How to survive a grizzly bear attack - 6/12/2009 11:49:07 AM

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As crazy as I am, I can imagine plugging my thumb up the bear's arse.

Heck, I had to pull a calf out when I was a kid on the farm!

one slight difference is the cow is not trying to turn around and remove your jugular

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RE: How to survive a grizzly bear attack - 6/12/2009 11:51:27 AM

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How to avoid a grizzly bear attack. Avoid grizzly bears. Iowa has a distinct shortage of bears.

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RE: How to survive a grizzly bear attack - 6/12/2009 11:53:26 AM

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How to avoid a grizzly bear attack. Avoid grizzly bears.

well damn....i sure feel like a jackass now

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RE: How to survive a grizzly bear attack - 6/12/2009 11:54:11 AM

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We should organize the first ever CM camping/hiking trip
When the stress of the world gets too high I go hiking in the Oquirrh mountains or Little/big Cottonwood Canyon
The mountains up here are just fantastic, the view is spectacular it is the single most amazing experience that one can have without cuddling after

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RE: How to survive a grizzly bear attack - 6/12/2009 12:23:48 PM

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I have turned into a camping diva. I want a bigass Airstream before I do anymore camping.

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RE: How to survive a grizzly bear attack - 6/12/2009 1:00:48 PM

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When I was in griz country I carried a semi-auto 12 bore with slugs (that's 12 gauge to you Americans ;-)). Deep penetration, big bullet and high repeatability. Wouldn't want anything less myself and is versatile enough for deer, moose, birds, two legged predators, whatever - and is going to be cheaper than revolvers or rifles in big calibers.

If you want to stick with a side-arm, then it gets interesting. There's two problems with grizzlies. One is that, if you're being charged, the target presented to you is a small head and big shoulders. You can't count on hitting the head as that's a tough shot, and the shoulders protect the internal organs. On the one hand, you need a big, high velocity bullet to penetrate through those shoulders and take him out, but on the other hand you want to be able to make follow up shots to chip away at him. For pure power, .500 S&W would be preferable. Otherwise, .454 Casull, .460 S&W, .480 Ruger or .475 Linebaugh would be appropriate. .44 magnum may work, but then again it might not.

The other school of thought, however, is to focus on repeatability. With all of those cartridges you're probably only going to get one shot before he reaches you, but with, say, a Glock 20 you've got 16 rounds of 10mm Auto on tap. I know for a fact you can kill a charging black bear with 10mm, and while grizzlies are certainly tougher I can well imagine it being effective. The G20 is also considerably lighter than revolvers in the other more powerful, less repeatable cartridges. Perhaps most importantly, it's easier to shoot. You're going to have to practice a lot to be any good with .500 Smith out of a 4 inch barrel, but the 10mm can be tamed by an average shooter fairly easily.

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RE: How to survive a grizzly bear attack - 6/12/2009 1:47:08 PM

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Back in the 80's, my grandfather dropped an attacking black bear with two shots from a twelve gauge. When everybody praised him for his skill and for staying calm all he said was, "I've been in combat. Next to the Wehrmacht, a black bear ain't shit."

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RE: How to survive a grizzly bear attack - 6/12/2009 2:23:35 PM

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Sticking your thumb up the bear's anus usually works as it makes the bear feel very sleepy. Your thumb becomes what is known as a 'tappen' which plugs the bear's anus when it hibernates.

It works with all bears except polar bears. I haven't ever tried this, but it was told to me a few years ago by someone who worked at Warsaw Zoo.

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RE: How to survive a grizzly bear attack - 6/12/2009 2:31:31 PM

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No offense, but I've BEEN to Iowa. That's flatlander hell, living in Iowa. I'd much rather take my chances with the grizzly bears than suffer through another season anywhere near Iowa!

Chalk it up to personal preference. There's some good fishin' in Iowa though...

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How to avoid a grizzly bear attack. Avoid grizzly bears. Iowa has a distinct shortage of bears.

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RE: How to survive a grizzly bear attack - 6/12/2009 5:35:20 PM

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Sanity, I'll have you know that calling Iowa flatland hell is rude and inaccurate. They have a hill. I saw it.

Just kidding, Iowans. The worst thing I can say about the state is that my Mother-in-law lives there. When she is up there, she is a pretentious bore of a human who has to keep up appearances. When she gets in her rv and comes to visit, she becomes a real person who is a pleasure to be around. I can't blame that on Iowa but it does tell you why I don't want to go back.

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RE: How to survive a grizzly bear attack - 6/12/2009 5:48:33 PM

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Sanity, I'll have you know that calling Iowa flatland hell is rude and inaccurate. They have a hill. I saw it.

I don't think it's there anymore.

They traded it for a tree.

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RE: How to survive a grizzly bear attack - 6/12/2009 5:54:35 PM

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You stay calm.

What could be more simple than that?

Uhhhhhhhhh.....lemme think.....one second.....it's coming to me......it's almost here..........

(Don't go where there are bears?????)

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RE: How to survive a grizzly bear attack - 6/12/2009 6:51:21 PM

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Sanity ,

You are probably familiar with these photos that have been
floating around the internet. If I ran into a bear this size
I would want to be very well armed.

I would not have much faith in "staying clam"
if I were on the wrong end of those claws. That
claw is almost as wide as the man's chest. One
swipe of that could ruin your whole day.

edit to add:

For those of you talking about using your thumb.
I suspect this bear would have required fisting,
with at least one large fist. You feel free to find
a bear this size and then try it and report back.

I'll be waiting somewhere safe for your report.

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