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cadenas -> RE: Minutemen not protecting US citizens (6/15/2009 6:08:27 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Loki45
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ORIGINAL: cadenas
I wouldn't call this a "fact". That's a vague statement, and whoever told you that probably only picked that up from somewhere else and further distorted it. Did you ever play the "Telephone Game" where children sit in a circle. One child whispers something in his neighbor's ear. The neighbor then repeats it until it has gone around the circle. Usually, what comes out is hilariously funny but completely different from what goes in.
I may be misquoting the information, because it has been awhile. As it begins to come back to me, I think it was two stories I was quoting. In one, the Hospitals were saying it was $40 a month for illegal birts. And in the other story it was about how hospitals in bordertowns were going bankrupt and being forced to consider shutting down because they were not getting reimbursed for their expenses.
Hospitals all throughout the country are going bankrupt because for the average family, health insurance has become more expensive than mortgage payments. ERs are closing down left and right because uninsured Americans have no other place to go for health care and hospitals can't afford to subsidize them. Southern California is hard hit because of the overall economy. It's got nothing to do with illegal immigration.
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ORIGINAL: Loki45
The underlying point is these people get free care, and access to our system, benefits, etc and pay nothing into the system.
Actually, that's pretty much an urban legend. For one, illegal immigrants generally do pay taxes. Obviously sales taxes, but also income taxes - in fact, more income taxes than Americans because they don't file for a refund. In fact, they pay so much in taxes that the Social Security Administration considers it a substantial factor in keeping Social Security viable for many decades.
And on the other end of the equation, they aren't eligible for most benefits that are available to you and me.
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ORIGINAL: Loki45
They come here waving the flag of a "better life" but they fail to mention that the "better life" they are seeking is "back home" in their home country. They don't consider themselves citizens and many have no desire to be. They are here living in squalor while they funnel their money back "home."
Um.... You may want to do some fact-checking here. It used to be true in the 1970s that most illegal "immigrants" came for harvest season and returned home. That changed since we built the border wall.
Today, most WANT to become citizens, but there is no legal way to do it. Those who can do it (mostly those legalized through the 1980s amnesty) have swamped immigration offices with citizenship applications to the point that USCIS all but broke down. For a while, citizenship applications took three years or more to complete (normal is about three months).
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ORIGINAL: Loki45
So not only are they not paying taxes on their earnings, but the notion some make that they are contributing to our economy is also false as most of their money goes back to their "home" and never sees circulation in the American economy.
Re taxes: see above. Re contributing to the economy: money isn't something that gets used up; it circulates. What do you think somebody in Guadalajara or Acapulco does with the dollars he receives from his US relative? He spends it. And because it's a US dollar, he MUST spend it on American goods (or he uses it for groceries, and then the grocer buys American goods). If that was not the case, the dollar would just be a piece of paper with green ink on it.
It plain doesn't matter if the money crosses the border at some point, because it has to cross back.
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