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CatdeMedici -> RE: Chastity and control (6/16/2009 2:27:02 PM)

If you have doubts, chances are you aren't sold--and as soon as I read or hear... " he wants Me to..." or " i want you to"...it stops being about Me and all about him--nope at that point, I'm done.




SomethingCatchy -> RE: Chastity and control (6/17/2009 9:06:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

If you have doubts, chances are you aren't sold--and as soon as I read or hear... " he wants Me to..." or " i want you to"...it stops being about Me and all about him--nope at that point, I'm done.



I understand how people don't like the 'do me' mentality, but I've never understood what's so wrong about a submissive partner expressing his interests and what he wants out of a relationship. If he's looking for someone to be involved with who also enjoys chastity, he has every right to find that person and enjoy it.

Because it's not something you want to hear doesn't make it wrong. I enjoy it when my boy tells me 'I want *blank*' so that I can decide if he gets it or not.

Either way, this thread is interesting.




Lockit -> RE: Chastity and control (6/17/2009 9:18:59 AM)

I think that the do-me thing is so distasteful for good reasons, that we get it all mixed up with desire levels that are acceptable and natural.  I don't discredit someone for having desires or needs but the moment their desires or needs override common sense, treating others with respect or belittle them as only good for meeting the needs and desires, it becomes a whole different type of situation.  It is too easy to lable someone do-me, yet many are do-me. Unfortunately some get caught up in that, that shouldn't be or we don't always see the difference.

I want my man to have desires and needs!  I consider them very important and they have every right to want them to be met.  Yet, someone who tries to get me to meet needs without even knowing them or comes off consumed with sexual things before all eles is getting a lable and a pass... next... from me! lol

Someone recently was talking to me about all of this and it didn't go well.  I won't talk to him again, but I was more than willing to explore this and even start a thread on it, but he wasn't willing to get passed his anger about it.  Two threads were posted.  One was a female submissive and the other a male submissive and they were asking the same question pertaining to sexual needs not being met.  The guy said that the female got support and validation on how she should expect that some of her needs were taken care of and the male was basically treated like a do-me.  I have seen this myself and was willing to bring it up and discuss it, but I think this guy was more willing to just be mad at the domina's because of it rather than discuss it.




SomethingCatchy -> RE: Chastity and control (6/17/2009 9:24:11 AM)

Very well said Lockit. I never consciously realize what the 'do-mes' are actually doing, but they are being disrespectful and completely selfish. Sometimes it is hard to figure out who's what and how.




AAkasha -> RE: Chastity and control (6/18/2009 7:20:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SomethingCatchy

Very well said Lockit. I never consciously realize what the 'do-mes' are actually doing, but they are being disrespectful and completely selfish. Sometimes it is hard to figure out who's what and how.


The way I learned to recognize "DO-ME"-ism is by dominating devoted vanilla guys.  "Lifestylers" often wrinkle their nose at this and think it's somehow "less than" to dominate someone who isn't "in the scene" or a self-identified submissive.  No matter how you slice it, devotion and surrender are just as rewarding when they come from a man who isn't kinky, and suffering can be just as sweet from a man who isn't a masochist.  Most important, with a vanilla, it's *always* relationship-first, because that's where you built the trust first to say, "Honey, I have to tell you before we go any further. I enjoy seeing men suffer, it turns me on.  And I am really into bondage.  So are you on board or not?" 

If you have dominated a man with *no* agenda, not a kinky bone in his body, not one little "fantasy" he wants to box you into, you've tasted and seen a kind of  pure, unselfish submission.  Kinky guys and subs try to fast track the "relationship" part of a femdom relationship to get right into the "femdom" part, and everything gets skewed. Some men are master manipulators at getting what they want, because it's all they know (it's not their fault).  But if you've dominated a man who had no agenda other than to please you, not even an "agenda to please you", as confusing as that sounds, you've tasted something quite unique. (of course in some cases his main agenda is to get laid, which is another story, but that is something that can be addressed also).

Granted, vanilla guys have a boatload of other problems and challenges and for a longterm solution aren't quite as feasible.  But I recommend it as a way to test the waters for women who are still experimenting and finding their "femdom legs."  It's also a great training tool for learning seduction, confidence and mischief.  Keeping a vanilla guy on his toes, interested, turned on and then seducing him into enjoying acts he found otherwise weird or unattractive is thrill ride in itself.  You also get a crash course in communication when you see Joe Vanilla experience "sub drop" or come to grips with feelings of homophobia, threatened masculinity as he reflects on the fact that he just deep throated a strap on cock.

All men have an agenda.  The solution is to make them have *your* agenda.  Most submissive men can be put on the right path if you use patience and creativity.  Just make sure that first and foremost, the biggest carrot, even BIGGER than their fantasy, is your pleasure.  You do that by making your pleasure - your smile, your laughter, your pussy and your orgasm (pick whatever priority you wish) -- his lifeblood. 

With vanilla guys, you retrain them away from their primary motivations of ego and cock.  Make their ego about *performance* (pleasing you) and their cock less important than your pussy, or basically, own your sexuality and your pleasure.  Make him realize you don't need his dick to cum, but you need his surrender.  When the lightbulb goes off, it's a huge moment.

Sorry for the sidetrack. I got nostalgic.

Akasha




stripmymanhood -> RE: Chastity and control (6/21/2009 3:43:05 AM)

i've never really been into something long distance...but this scenario sounds hot...especially when coupled with the thought AAkasha mentioned earlier in the thread about owning the cock that way....boy did that get my heart pumping...and yes...that was my heart!

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

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ORIGINAL: newtop

Because no strings fits my life at the moment. We've both agreed that if it doesn't work out we'll still be friends, so why not have some fun?

AAkasha, I agree! It's totally hot! My problem is though, that I find it hot *in person* not over the phone. I want something in return for the maintenance, even if it's something as simple as an explicitly detailed description of how much frustration and agony he's going through at that particular moment.

This weekend I teased the hell out of him and the poor thing was miserable, but after telling him he could cum and hearing him whisper my name while his mind was completely unattached from earth is something I'd love to experience again. I don't believe he was completely focused on himself, or my name would have never been said when it was obvious he wasn't even there mentally.


If you find it hot, then identify how you can capture that essence with your limited interface. You said time is an issue with him, and of course you are long distance - those are your barriers.

I can talk about this from my own experience and maybe it will apply.  First, NOTHING is better than real life, in-the-flesh domination and BDSM - I get that. In fact, if I don't have a healthy dose of that, I'm miserable.  But I need more than that, I need variety, and a variety of exchanges and to see fresh, new surrender - in that sense, I enjoy long distance BDSM and power exchange now and then. I can share with you how I capture that thrill/rush of surrender with someone who is not with me in the flesh:

* Make him photograph his plight.   Make him send proof. Taking a picture can be done very quickly. If he is wearing a chastity device, use numbered locks and have him submit photo proof that he's still in the cage.  This does not take long, but puts a real stamp of FINALITY on his surrender.  There's no faking it.

* Make him ask for EVERY orgasm.  It only takes a moment to text or email.  Limit those orgasms as you see fit.

* Set up times for tease & deny - it can even be a 15 minute phone call. It will put him in a terribly horny frame of mind! 

* Make him leave you voice mails that plead for release; if you like a certain kind of begging or desperation, train him to perform in the manner that amuses you or turns you on.

* Make him set up a Twitter feed and/or you do the same - short, teasing, taunting messages that pop on his screen and his on yours are a constant reminder of the control but take just a few seconds to hammer out.

* Send him to sites like milovana.com and order him to complete some of the "teases" that do not allow release.

* Make him report to you his horniness level on a scale from 1 - 10 each day so you can see how his desire is peaking without a long, drawn out email.

* Send him your lingerie to worship. He'll be dying that he cannot cum when he opens that package.  It will be the kind of sweet mix between torture and pleasure.

* MAKE HIM SURRENDER by doing (and BEGGING for) things he considers difficult/impossible: eating his own cum, sucking a dildo, worshipping an old pair of your shoes - you pick the acts and he'll start with hesitation but by the time he gets horny enough, not only will he do them, he will beg to do them. This doesn't matter if you are in the same room or across the country - he will get there.  The journey is a hot one.

For me, I take what makes me hot (surrender, vulnerability, desperation) and then figure out how I can feel it's "real" in a long distance medium. It comes from the look in the eyes (pictures), proof that he is doing what I say (pictures), sincere desperation (tone of voice) and ultimately the surrender to acts that compromise his ego and pride in a hot way for both people.

Akasha






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