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RCdc -> RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not (6/17/2009 10:51:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Loki45 I'm just suggesting where you might avoid eating if you don't want to hang out with people who would eat near a bathroom. Isn't that just a no brainer anyway? I would not sit near a bathroom if it was the last table left. If someone I was out with, would - then they would be eating alone. And so would I. Elsewhere. the.dark.

GabrielleSlave -> RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not (6/17/2009 10:52:38 AM)
For heaven's sake folk..... Can't we all just agree to disagree on this one???? There are folk who approve (like me) and there are folk who disapprove. The ones who don't approve have no chance of changing my mind and i very much doubt i can change theirs... Let's just be done with it? We cannot do anything else.... [:)]

CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not (6/17/2009 10:53:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GabrielleSlave For heaven's sake folk..... Can't we all just agree to disagree on this one???? There are folk who approve (like me) and there are folk who disapprove. The ones who don't approve have no chance of changing my mind and i very much doubt i can change theirs... Let's just be done with it? We cannot do anything else.... [:)] I would hazard that those of us still participating are doing so because we -enjoy- arguing. chuckles I know I do! DC

Loki45 -> RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not (6/17/2009 10:55:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW I would hazard that those of us still participating are doing so because we -enjoy- arguing. chuckles I know I do! Personally, I prefer cracking jokes.......and occasionally tossing a bit of logic toward someone's emotional argument.

aravain -> RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not (6/17/2009 11:00:41 AM)
Ah, yes, it's very different. As Loki said, we have laws governing breaks and lengths of shifts (for those under 18 they are not allowed to work more than 20 hours a week unless there is no mandatory school activity from the Sunday of that week through the Saturday, then they can work up to 40... ) but they also can go out the window with some food-service positions (waiting tables? Well, you can take your 15 minute break... and let your tables sit for 15 minutes without any face time). There's no requirements for providing anything other than the break, however. I don't even think my parents know I did that though [:D] they'd probably be horrified, but like I said, I needed the money. I grew up pretty poor (to give a gauge, my mother is making now, yearly, with a $10,000 a year paycut for my brother's schooling MORE than she and my dad brought in combined at any point before I started High School.. and is at the bottom of her pay-area and actually took a job that paid less to have less stress and more flexible hours. Dad is still working, too, and has similarly progressed. Shame we're still poor, though thanks mostly to school debts -.-) so we were imprinted with the idea "if they're paying for you, you do it; period." And I did. shrug

RCdc -> RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not (6/17/2009 11:00:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Loki45 Here we have laws about breaks and such, but as with minimum wage laws, they don't apply to the food service industry. Working in a corporate environment, I got two 15 minute 'breaks' and one 1-long lunch break per 8 hour shift. As a waiter, I was lucky if I got a break at all, let alone lunch. I got lunch if I worked a double but it was only a half hour. Then people might be better off getting their priorities in order and fight for the rights of employees than worrying about a some mother nursing in public. I have worked in many environments - including entertainment/hospitality. Had I been given such options I would have complained. If you don't, then you make your own bed I guess. Not only do I have personal integrity, I have a duty as an employee to consider my customers. If I have to spend an hour on my break eating in my uniform in a bathroom, where toilets spray tiny droplets of water on every flush, then I wouldn't be very responsible. the.dark.

aravain -> RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not (6/17/2009 11:02:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW quote: ORIGINAL: GabrielleSlave For heaven's sake folk..... Can't we all just agree to disagree on this one???? There are folk who approve (like me) and there are folk who disapprove. The ones who don't approve have no chance of changing my mind and i very much doubt i can change theirs... Let's just be done with it? We cannot do anything else.... [:)] I would hazard that those of us still participating are doing so because we -enjoy- arguing. chuckles I know I do! DC That's a ditto here [:D]

GabrielleSlave -> RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not (6/17/2009 11:03:28 AM)
Fair enough steps away to go do something else and then return to look in later

Loki45 -> RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not (6/17/2009 11:04:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark Then people might be better off getting their priorities in order and fight for the rights of employees than worrying about a some mother nursing in public. I have worked in many environments - including entertainment/hospitality. Had I been given such options I would have complained. If you don't, then you make your own bed I guess. Not only do I have personal integrity, I have a duty as an employee to consider my customers. If I have to spend an hour on my break eating in my uniform in a bathroom, where toilets spray tiny droplets of water on every flush, then I wouldn't be very responsible. Evidently the employment laws there are far different from here. Some states are called "at will" states. Meaning you can be canned for anything. If you complain and the boss doesn't like you, you're gone. In this shithole economy, many can't afford to be fired over something so trivial. And since waiters don't even get breaks on which to eat unless they're working a double, it's usually a non-issue anyway.

RCdc -> RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not (6/17/2009 11:08:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Loki45 If you complain and the boss doesn't like you, you're gone. In this shithole economy, many can't afford to be fired over something so trivial. I get that. But then, if people(employers, employees and companies) were a bit more accountable and responsible then shit like MRSI wouldn't be such an issue. the.dark.

LaTigresse -> RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not (6/17/2009 11:08:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf It has a lot to do with Judeo-Christian societal upbringing. Look but don't touch, touch but don't feel good about it. If you do feel good about things like that, you are a sinner. It may not be put like that, but the US society has been repressed in many ways as to behavior, and then brainwashed in others by advertising and the media. I listened to a lecture once, that explained these mixed signals that society sends, causes some really screwed up ideas of right and wrong, where the consistancy of right and wrong do not flow, often at odds with one another from situation to situation. Most women I have seen breast feed in public, do so discreetly. It is nosy, prying eyed, hypocritical "do gooders" that actually cause the problem. quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol There's obviously a huge disconnect in some people's minds. While they seem to be more than accepting of Western culture's objectification of women's bodies (I have yet to see them complain at the naked bits and bobs - slits and boobs - that are regularly flaunted on the front of this website), they balk at these bodies executing what nature intended. At the same time, they refuse to confront their fears and to explore the reasons for their disgust. It's weird, perverse, and totally fucked up [8\|] . My god the two of you are semi-agreeing again. I am going to go to the cellar and wait for the big bang now.

kittinSol -> RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not (6/17/2009 11:10:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Loki45 I honestly wonder what might have happened in your past that would make you react this way to people so rabidly. Bizarelly, that's precisely the first thing I thought when you started ranting about the righteous place of women and how breastfeeding shouldn't be done in public [;)] . So tell us: what happened, hmmm?

Loki45 -> RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not (6/17/2009 11:12:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol So tell us: what happened, hmmm? You first. What does cause a woman to automatically accuse every male she talks to of being afraid of women, having gynaphobia or wanting their mommies? Does the reverse hold true for you? Are you afraid of penises? Are you afraid to be alone with a man? Was it that bad?

ModeratorEleven -> RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not (6/17/2009 11:13:24 AM)
Ok folks, enough. Back to the topic and take the drama elsewhere. XI

kittinSol -> RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not (6/17/2009 11:36:54 AM)
This paragraph was interesting. Feeding in infancy as a cultural construction.

Lucylastic -> RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not (6/17/2009 11:49:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: aravain Maybe in your state, not in mine. "I assert my right as manager/owner of this private establishment to deny service to anyone for any reason" and bam, the nursing mother doesn't have a leg to stand on; she must leave... as far as I know, no state has ever compelled any establishment to serve people when using that to expel them (or upheld the expelled person's 'right' to be on their private property). *You may be allowed to breast feed, legally, in PUBLIC, but in a restaurant you're in private property, where it is not* your right to be there. You can be ejected at any time without a reason given (even if that reason is that you're breast feeding and refuse to do so elsewhere, if they eject you without using that as the reason, there's no legality issue). Aravain, Im sorry but you are simply wrong regarding a breastfeeding woman in public does not include restaurants. From Ohio Law Sec. 3781.55. A mother is entitled to breast-feed her baby in any location of a place of public accommodation wherein the mother otherwise is permitted. "Place of public accommodation" has the same meaning as in section 4112.01 of the Revised Code. http://law.justia.com/ohio/codes/orc/jd_411201-15d5.html section 4112.01** Place of public accommodation" means any inn, restaurant, eating house, barbershop, public conveyance by air, land, or water, theater, store, other place for the sale of merchandise, or any other place of public accommodation or amusement of which the accommodations, advantages, facilities, or privileges are available to the public. LaLeche league also has a section on various states and laws, altho they have been mentioned often here to no avail it seems http://www.llli.org/Law/LawBills.html If you were belligerent enough to demand my removal from a restaurant, I would see you and the restaurant in court. Of course where I am from its a human right, so it wont happen.... just sayin. Oh to be lactating again!!! Lucy edited to add, another link about us law and breastfeeding http://www.llli.org/llleaderweb/LV/LVJunJul05p51.html

sirsholly -> RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not (6/17/2009 12:08:46 PM)
quote: If you're going to nurse in public, that's fine as long as you're willing to move to private if someone (yes, like me) has an issue with it (or if it's included in a terms of service for wherever you're at).I am not willing to move because you have an "issue". Your issue is your own problem. I shouldn't need to explain why I have an issue with it; I have one, and as a fellow customer it's up to the managers/owners to mediate that, otherwise they're like to lose one (or more) customers in the future. Simplicities of business. You admit here you have personal issues with nursing. Those issues are yours and should not be projected onto others. And as far as "simplicities of business"...i would stand up and show the entire restaurant that i am fully clothed. I expose nothing. A good manager would know that giving a fully clothed nursing mom a hard time would hurt his business much more than telling a closed minded nimrod to eat his dinner and mind his own business Like I said before... my mother didn't always have a restroom available Like I said before, restrooms are not appropriate areas for nursing... she'd find a discreet corner, and stand facing it while I nursed.She would stand in a corner to nurse? I stand in a corner for no one!! And standing while nursing is not safe...too easy to drop the baby. I don't understand why even that would be such an issue. Why couldn't/can't you nurse standing, I've never known it to be a problem for anyone (though admittedly the only people I've talked to about this were my mother, a big burly woman, and a few of her friends who are quite similar) anymore than sitting. I am not a big burly woman, but that is not the point. The infant needs support such as a lap..or a pillow on said lap.

Arpig -> RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not (6/17/2009 12:15:37 PM)
Not an issue. breastfeeding is ok by me. Here in Canada its allowed, period!.

LadyHibiscus -> RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not (6/17/2009 12:32:35 PM)
I heart Canada. [:)]

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not (6/17/2009 12:32:47 PM)
I actually like places like friday's and on the border and applebee's and Chipotle, and the likes. I'd be ok with going there for a date, I even like jack in the box, though I've never gone there for a date just for good oldf ashioned need to eat, and it's close by. quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark I don't do casual dining - it's so yesterday.[8\|][;)] Seriously - fridays?[sm=biggrin.gif] What happened to treating ya girl like a princess? the.dark.

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