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Alphascendant -> N/needs (6/17/2009 5:26:20 PM)

   Other than food, water, clothing, and shelter from the weather, a person has no other needs. Anything past those objects are purely psychological preferences. If a person let's themself be controlled by those preferences, they are not in control of their own self. For the submissives that are looking to satisfy a dominant's needs, that's rubbish. Unless you are providing that person with food, water, clothing and shelter from the weather, you are not satisfying any needs at all. You are only looking for somebody to partake in the enjoyment of your own convoluted preferences to quench your own desires.

  The dominant satisfies the submissive's preferences because of a desire to be with that person, a desire that is psychological. The more dominant and disciplined a person becomes, the less that person gives in to those desired preferences, eventually rendering the submissive useless. The balance between dominance and submission? If the dominant desires nothing, the submissive would have to desire everything in order to balance. In reality, that doesn't seem possible, as the person that desires everything generally has no use for the person that desires nothing, from whom there is nothing to gain. When a man gains control over his own preferences, the pussy loses all it's power.




RedMagic1 -> RE: N/needs (6/17/2009 5:35:42 PM)

If you don't pet puppies, they die.  If you talk to plants, they grow healthier than if you ignore them.

These are scientific facts, not New Age guruisms.

Your understanding of the needs of living beings is incorrect.  Attention and affection are physical needs.  That's not an arguable point.  So your argument founders at sentence number one.

Beyond that, being in a loving relationship extends the life of a human.  Stress shortens the life of a human.  What purpose does your "It's all preferences" soapbox serve, except maybe to make a few people feel guilty about wanting intimacy and love?




Asherdelampyr -> RE: N/needs (6/17/2009 5:39:16 PM)

This is all I could ever hope to say, put much more simply than I could communicate it and still be clear.




leadership527 -> RE: N/needs (6/17/2009 5:40:30 PM)

Damnit Red, you beat me to it.




Kalista07 -> RE: N/needs (6/17/2009 5:46:55 PM)

There was a study years ago somewhere (i can't remember where) where they studied rats.. The first group of rats had regular interaction with people..They were petted, talked to etc. The second group was merely feed. They put them all up on a wire and pushed them off. The ones that had no communication or touch died. The ones that had both of those things recovered.
Kali




allisonludwig -> RE: N/needs (6/17/2009 5:49:19 PM)

Your description of needs is inaccurate, as we all have psychological needs, and if they are not met, we can suffer greatly and develop some form of mental illness really (i.e. borderline personality disorder and other personality disorders and other general diagnoses). These psychological needs though they vary for each person. These include: a sense of safety (very important), having meaningful relationship(s), having some mastery of our lives, having trust in ourselves (and a plus is to have another person to trust to some degree), and I am sure there's some more I am missing. The more of these one has, the more fulfilled one can be. Maslow's hierarchy does not just include food, water, and shelter.

Allison




sirsholly -> RE: N/needs (6/17/2009 5:51:50 PM)

quote:

The dominant satisfies the submissive's preferences because of a desire to be with that person, a desire that is psychological. The more dominant and disciplined a person becomes, the less that person gives in to those desired preferences, eventually rendering the submissive useless. The balance between dominance and submission? If the dominant desires nothing, the submissive would have to desire everything in order to balance. In reality, that doesn't seem possible, as the person that desires everything generally has no use for the person that desires nothing, from whom there is nothing to gain. When a man gains control over his own preferences, the pussy loses all it's power.


this is a bunch of bs [8|]




Lockit -> RE: N/needs (6/17/2009 5:54:06 PM)

NO, no, no... I must disagree!  There is a very important thing that the op did not mention.  Okay I typically don't talk this gross... but you need to poop and if you can't poop... none of that other stuff will do you any good.  So pooping is the most important thing!

Anyone who talks as if human beings do not have needs other than what they need to exist... and by the way, housing is not one of them... needs to be on an island with no one else... nothing else for six years and I bet they would change their mind.  Be old and sick and isolated... be unloved... do the time... you will learn a few things.  These tough guys crack me up! lol




lizi -> RE: N/needs (6/17/2009 5:54:24 PM)

Is there a point here that I'm missing? As the others already pointed out this ramble was doomed from the first inaccurate statement.




DarkSteven -> RE: N/needs (6/17/2009 5:54:29 PM)

Um, Maslow is considered the most famous name in the hierarchy of needs.  You have made the unsupported claim that only his first level of needs has relevance.

I suggest you study his work.




Asherdelampyr -> RE: N/needs (6/17/2009 5:56:23 PM)

Can I have the extra stuff you dont need then? Like your computer and television and phone?




sweetsub1957 -> RE: N/needs (6/17/2009 6:03:29 PM)

Well, that's all fine and dandy except for one thing.......what about the Dominant's psychological needs?  The Dominant and the sub/slave both have those, too, and the D/s relationship ideally meets those needs in both.  i know Sir's and my relationship does that for U/us and, besides that, i can't really say i think of my pussy as having "power," although Someone did tell me that once.  haha  i guess if the D-type is so self-controlled that the s-type is rendered useless for Him/Her, then more power to Them.  That would certainly save Them the hassle of having interpersonal relationships and free up those s-types for Someone that actually wants one.  i just perved Your profile and it actually doesn't say You're looking for anything or anyone.  But i'm just curious, if s-types are rendered useless for those Dom/mes that are so self-controlled, and Dom/mes like to Dominate, who would they Dominate then?  i'm not trying to cause trouble, i'm genuinely interested in Your answer.




intenze -> RE: N/needs (6/17/2009 6:04:25 PM)

wow...just...wow...




mydestiny2043 -> RE: N/needs (6/17/2009 6:13:26 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alphascendant

  Other than food, water, clothing, and shelter from the weather, a person has no other needs. Anything past those objects are purely psychological preferences. If a person let's themself be controlled by those preferences, they are not in control of their own self. 


I guess I don't get the point you're trying to make,because if what you say is true (and it's a big if) all I'm hearing is that you're not in control of your own self otherwise why would you be here posting when it's clearly not on your list.




lronitulstahp -> RE: N/needs (6/17/2009 6:14:08 PM)

N/nope..........




sirsholly -> RE: N/needs (6/17/2009 6:15:39 PM)

quote:

Other than food, water, clothing, and shelter from the weather, a person has no other needs.
cool.
ditch your computer.




Lockit -> RE: N/needs (6/17/2009 6:24:42 PM)

I tell ya... these men who just want to keep the pussy down... all that just to bring the pussy down...  I would think then if all that is needed to show the pussy her place and what's important... the pussy is pretty powerful! [;)]




LookieNoNookie -> RE: N/needs (6/17/2009 6:26:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alphascendant

  Other than food, water, clothing, and shelter from the weather, a person has no other needs. Anything past those objects are purely psychological preferences. If a person let's themself be controlled by those preferences, they are not in control of their own self. For the submissives that are looking to satisfy a dominant's needs, that's rubbish. Unless you are providing that person with food, water, clothing and shelter from the weather, you are not satisfying any needs at all. You are only looking for somebody to partake in the enjoyment of your own convoluted preferences to quench your own desires.

The dominant satisfies the submissive's preferences because of a desire to be with that person, a desire that is psychological. The more dominant and disciplined a person becomes, the less that person gives in to those desired preferences, eventually rendering the submissive useless. The balance between dominance and submission? If the dominant desires nothing, the submissive would have to desire everything in order to balance. In reality, that doesn't seem possible, as the person that desires everything generally has no use for the person that desires nothing, from whom there is nothing to gain. When a man gains control over his own preferences, the pussy loses all it's power.


Was there a point in all this...or are you just fulfilling a serious need to rant?




Lockit -> RE: N/needs (6/17/2009 6:27:44 PM)

His point was the last sentence...




kallisto -> RE: N/needs (6/17/2009 6:29:09 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

If you don't pet puppies, they die.  If you talk to plants, they grow healthier than if you ignore them.

These are scientific facts, not New Age guruisms.

Your understanding of the needs of living beings is incorrect.  Attention and affection are physical needs.  That's not an arguable point.  So your argument founders at sentence number one.

Beyond that, being in a loving relationship extends the life of a human.  Stress shortens the life of a human.  What purpose does your "It's all preferences" soapbox serve, except maybe to make a few people feel guilty about wanting intimacy and love?



You certainly don't need me to tell you that you said that so well.    So I'll just say "Thank You"    [:)]




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