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ShaktiSama -> RE: “Senator” Barbara Boxer (6/28/2009 11:38:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Loki45 Once again, if you can show me the word-for-word statement where I said West Point is directly equivelent to boot camp, I'll give you a cookie and a pat on the head, darlin'. Your exact words were this: quote: ORIGINAL: Jackass Who Can't Remember What He Types He was bootcamp (or west point, same same) If you don't know what the word "same" means in the English language, perhaps you shouldn't have used it. Twice. You can keep the cookies, though, and if you ever touched me, much less attempted to "pat me on the head", I would gladly kill you stone dead. As for the rest of your repulsive bs--ugh. Thanks for peeling off any semblance of human decency and revealing the depths of your truly revolting condescension and misogyny. Wow, women should be held to a higher moral standard than men? Women should be expected to live up to the ideal of the "lady"? Where have I heard all this crap before? Oh, right, yeah. For the last ten thousand years of insane patriarchal garbage. Please go directly to hell. Do not pass Go. Do not collect 200 dollars. And have a real nice day.

Loki45 -> RE: “Senator” Barbara Boxer (6/28/2009 4:31:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: aidan It's a beautiful Sunday here and I'm really too busy with other things to do a line-by-line item check, but suffice to say throwing around things like "Where's your burka?" and suggesting that women only deserve respectful treatment if they are trained and heeled to be docile - to be "ladies", if I may be so bold as to expose the codeword - only serves to detract from any argument you might make. Yep, you're right. It's very clear you didn't read the post to which you were replying. The lines you quote are sarcasm showing just how progressive our society is, though the rabid feminists will never acknowledge it. Kinda like how it will never stop being "the man's" fault that blacks can't advance in life (despite how we have a multi-racial president now). As for the lady comment, yep. I'm serious. If you want to moniker of lady, you act like one. Having a vagina does not automatically make you a lady. That sentiment comes not only from me, but from the numerous women I have met who shared it. quote: ORIGINAL: aidan Also, the question of "If it's okay for X to do something, why can't Y?" is a valid question. Why was there absolutely no such foofrah for the former president engaging in this kind of behavior over and over again? Actually, it's not valid at all. Unless of course you don't mind stopping to someone else's level. If you check the political forum, you will find a post where someone said that since our enemies don't treat us nicely when captured, we shouldn't either. And one of the first replies was "we're better than our enemies and have principles that they do not." Same applies here. You can either be as rude as those you point your finger at and use the excuse that 'they did it so you can to' or you can elevate yourself a bit and take the high road. It's clear that Shakti would rather lie with the pigs than to be above them. quote: ORIGINAL: aidan And she has no problem with misandry. I have that on fairly good authority. Well, all I can comment on is what I witness. And what I witness would seem to argue with your 'good authority.'

Loki45 -> RE: “Senator” Barbara Boxer (6/28/2009 4:38:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama quote: ORIGINAL: Jackass Who Can't Remember What He Types Awwww a rabid feminist called me a jackass. How cute. quote: ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama If you don't know what the word "same" means in the English language, perhaps you shouldn't have used it. And if you don't know what the abbreviated expression "same same" means, then I can't help you. Sure, there are differences, but they are both well-known to be grueling training environments. However in boot camp, there is no college classes and in west point there is. quote: ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama I would gladly kill you stone dead. You'd try. And that's all the justification I need to "defend myself." [:D] quote: ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama As for the rest of your repulsive bs--ugh. Thanks for peeling off any semblance of human decency and revealing the depths of your truly revolting condescension and misogyny. Wow, women should be held to a higher moral standard than men? Women should be expected to live up to the ideal of the "lady"? Where have I heard all this crap before? You've got me. I don't know where you've heard it. You're clearly not a lady. So it couldn't have been any kind of formal etiquette training. quote: ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama Please go directly to hell. Do not pass Go. Do not collect 200 dollars. And have a real nice day. Aww. More cute insults and vulgarity from a feminist. I would reply with "The day I let you tell me what to do or where to go......" However, that's moot because that day will never come.

ModeratorEleven -> RE: “Senator” Barbara Boxer (6/28/2009 4:39:38 PM)
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DemonKia -> RE: “Senator” Barbara Boxer (6/29/2009 1:36:23 AM)
I tend to think of this in terms of the bullfighter's red cape from the perspective of the bull . . . . . Look at the flashy cape & ignore the blade in the other hand . . . . So much of what passes for 'journalism' & 'political discourse', to me, is really 'red cape waving' to distract from the sword in the other hand . . . . . . & this whole fooforaw definitely sounds like that kinda thing; screw substantive discussion, let's hysterically denounce irrelevant details . . . . . . quote: ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Hear hear. {clipped} Those citizens of New Orleans deserve to have the USA's focus directed at the issue of those levees, not on Boxer's and/or Walsh's bad manners. How do the powers that be shape the minds of the people in the way that they want them shaped? There's a vague assumption, that the big cheeses do this by continually throwing out propaganda that counters the arguments of those whose thinking they don't like. But this isn't the main or the most powerful tactic. The best way is to ignore the whole debate in favour of one that's a lot less threatening. Nice work on behalf of a large section of the USA's press, I think. Quite masterful. Hell's bells. What happened in New Orleans during the hurricane - and how that was dealt with afterwards - was utterly astonishing to the rest of the world. I'm afraid the general impression was, roughly, "How can this be? The richest country on the planet and it can't look after its own." Off the top of my head I can't actually think of a shambles more epic in its proportions. Exactly -- and personally, I would have been more interested in hearing the General's answer to why those levees -still- haven't been repaired, 4 years after Katrina, when we can build a mega-mall complex in less than a YEAR! Unfortunately, with all of the ranting about Boxer and the General, -nobody- has paid any attention to the General's answer about why the Corps of Engineers -still- hasn't figured out a realistic way to fix the levees... and don't tell me it can't be done. Holland has managed to thwart the sea for -centuries-, and we can't even protect one doggone city. Ingenuity my colorful dress bustle! We have thousands of people who need work, and levees that need to be re-built, so why are we all sitting on our tushes and debating who was rude to whom -- That is a conversation for old grannys over tea-- we'll have time to discuss it at length when we have nothing better to do. Dame Calla

BICMAN1156 -> RE: “Senator” Barbara Boxer (7/8/2009 4:42:06 AM)
NO, Shaktisama, it's you who have missed the point. Senator Boxer was very much in a public place. No one calls down an employee in such a situation. Say what you will about the fine points you mention that, frankly, are meaningless to the central and only issue here. You are a person who does not see the forest because of the trees. The simple fact is she made a mistake. Your politics determine if she is to be forgiven or censored for her error in judgement. After reading these posts I find most believe, as I do, that Senators should be qualified to serve. Sadly, we find judgement is lacking in most of our elected officials. We find too many of them appearing in the media for exhibiting their lack of it. Then we wonder why America is in the mess we are in. We are not on are way out of it either. My hope is that the beautiful, honest young woman from Alaska will lead us back to the days when men were men and women were women. People with unclouded judgement like those who wrote and signed the Declaration of Independence and authored our Constitution represent what is needed today. In those days a mind like Senator Boxers would not have been permitted in the room. BICMAN1156

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: “Senator” Barbara Boxer (7/8/2009 6:40:08 AM)
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aidan -> RE: “Senator” Barbara Boxer (7/8/2009 9:11:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BICMAN1156 NO, Shaktisama, it's you who have missed the point. Senator Boxer was very much in a public place. No one calls down an employee in such a situation. Say what you will about the fine points you mention that, frankly, are meaningless to the central and only issue here. You are a person who does not see the forest because of the trees. The simple fact is she made a mistake. Your politics determine if she is to be forgiven or censored for her error in judgement. After reading these posts I find most believe, as I do, that Senators should be qualified to serve. Sadly, we find judgement is lacking in most of our elected officials. We find too many of them appearing in the media for exhibiting their lack of it. Then we wonder why America is in the mess we are in. We are not on are way out of it either. My hope is that the beautiful, honest young woman from Alaska will lead us back to the days when men were men and women were women. People with unclouded judgement like those who wrote and signed the Declaration of Independence and authored our Constitution represent what is needed today. In those days a mind like Senator Boxers would not have been permitted in the room. BICMAN1156 This whole thing's a mess, but I'll try to decipher it. In a public setting - especially a public professional setting - where two people are supposed to follow protocols of respect, and one person does not, they need to be corrected then and there. Our view points here are obviously so different they make communication on the subject nigh impossible. You see the world as one way, I see it as another. I can't convince you the sky is blue if you say it's green. But there is one passage that particularly worries me. "My hope is that the beautiful, honest young woman from Alaska will lead us back to the days when men were men and women were women." First of all, young woman? She's 45. While certainly not a hard and fast rule of phrasing, the common use of the term "young woman" is to describe a person who has just reached adulthood. While I don't respect much else about her, I recognize that Sarah Palin is an adult. Which makes her other issues much worse. She's honest? Aside from issues of ideology and politics, she's lied about a great number of things publicly, like her husband's affiliation with the Alaskan Independent Party. As for "men being men and women being women," what exactly does this mean? Is it anything but a wish for a return to the normalcy of sexist and gender-discriminatory cultural views? If so, please, explain. I'd love to be proven wrong here. I'd go longer, but I have to leave for work now.

mnottertail -> RE: “Senator” Barbara Boxer (7/8/2009 9:15:22 AM)
<snip>As for "men being men and women being women," what exactly does this mean?</snip> Is it your position that this is not the case? Men are not men and/or women are not women? Waltz me thru that one. Ron

Lockit -> RE: “Senator” Barbara Boxer (7/8/2009 11:59:12 AM)
I really don't care if they call each other fish bait... get on with the business of this nation and stop this foolish ego shit. That is what it amounts to in the long run. They want respect then give us something to respect. They should be kneeling before us humbled and begging our forgiveness for their lacks, not puffed up on pride or rights. Forgive me if I feel we are far more important than what they are called. I do wonder what they call us... their employer??? Okay it is my morning... but damn it... it is time to take care of the people of this nation and stop fucking us and generations to come. As for those founding father's that signed all those documents... some of them were not perfect. Far from it. I respect the ideal, but it was just that... an ideal few of them lived. Every man didn't include women or slave's. A man who will cheat on his wife will cheat on anyone and the African American's that are in my family didn't marry in... they were born from these relationships that the founding fathers I was related to, had. Let's get real rather than make gods of these men who were just that... men. And let's not expect those/these real women to continue to accept the behavior of real men. Get real.

Steponme73 -> RE: “Senator” Barbara Boxer (7/8/2009 2:56:45 PM)
This is getting ugly...

PeonForHer -> RE: “Senator” Barbara Boxer (7/8/2009 3:36:53 PM)
Whilst each is entitled to his or her own opinion, Bicman, I do feel I have to correct you on a factual matter, if that's OK. Sarah Palin is not a beautiful, honest young woman. She's as mad as a mongoose, holds deranged opinions that should have disappeared before Columbus set sail and has the allure of a warthog with piles.

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