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variation30 -> RE: Physical strength and D/s (6/21/2009 4:18:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DavanKael A male partner being physically strong is extremely important to me. I make no bones about the fact that I want a man who can and would defend me physically if needed. I am a woman of small stature but I'm a lot stronger than many people would tend to think and I dislike the idea of being with someone who is not at least, pound for pound, as strong as am I; I don't want some guy I have to worry about breaking, lol! Davan http://www.carryconcealed.net/ + http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=5720&return=Y although now that I'm moving to Canada for a few years... http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php I care for my woman more than anything else in the world, I take measures to protect her from any aggressors.

variation30 -> RE: Physical strength and D/s (6/21/2009 4:39:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lashra quote: because men are stronger Stronger HOW? Physically? In some cases yes there are men stronger than me, in some cases no they are not stronger than me, in some cases we are on equal footing. I do not think physical strength has a darned thing to do with Dominance or superiority. It just means you can pick up something heavy, which another person may not. yes, men as a group are physically stronger than women as a group. that's just sexual dimorphism. quote: In fact if you look closely at size and strength, it could be viewed (not my view) that "bigger and stronger" indicates more of the "slave" role rather than being the leader. After all slaves need to be big and strong so that they can do hard labor and toil longer in the fields, the leader needs to have knowledge, strength of character, honesty and integrity etc. A good leader also needs to be empathic and able to make decisions. yes and no. the popular views towards the difference in strength between the sexes is that it exists because of sheer necessity. men developed in order to take on certain tasks (hunting, dangerous and difficult manual labor like slashing and burning, defense/war) because men's lives are more expendable to a group than women's. in a group of 100 people, 50 men / 50 women, you can lost a large majority of the men and still have enough offspring to bring about another generation (e.g. germany post-wwii). if you lose a large majority of the women, that is not the case. as such, it is said that groups that kept women out of harms way were more likely to continue to exist from generation to generation. additionally, there are certain limits on women as to what they can do (this is more true millenia ago than it is now, but it still holds some truth). a woman who is 8 months pregnant will not do well defending herself against a sabertooth tiger or on a buffalo hunt. the biology of child-bearing did a lot to solidify gender roles as well. if one wants to consider that as a 'slave role' that's fine. but the flip side of that is that with stronger bodies and with minds more adept in causality and reason (which was also an offshoot of those tasks), men have dominated the world in nearly all fields...and even after women's liberation, this is still the case. this is also someting that is not limited to certain cultures, but can be seen nearly universally. quote: The thing is a persons gender has absolutely nothing to do with Dominance or subsmission. People have been beating this dead horse for how many years now? Perhaps one day we will evolve enough that we can get past this idiocy. It reminds me of the question "Who is more intelligent? Caucasians or those of color?" it is the EXACT same bias, still going on today as it has been for far too long. In my relationship I am the Leader, I do not need to choke hold him, wrestle him to the ground or bash him in the head with a club to get him to do what I want him to do. I do it with my Dominant personality and presence. I have a leaders charisma, knowledge and empathy that it takes to lead him. ~Lashra I would suggest that as a group, men are the more dominant of the sexes (depending on how one defines dominance). there are many variables as to why this is, but I would say it is mostly biological. as to your other question regarding intelligence, I would suggest that caucasians are more intelligent (depending on how one defines intelligence). though unlike the question of dominance, I would say that this has nothing to do with biology.

Lew2121 -> RE: Physical strength and D/s (6/21/2009 5:11:08 PM)
The smaller you are the better it is for me because it makes me feel more dominant and in control but i work out and swim so my strength makes me feel more flexible to do taller and more physically fit women

littlewonder -> RE: Physical strength and D/s (6/21/2009 5:18:28 PM)
I admit physical strength is somewhat important to me in a partner. I like a man who is healthy, who keeps himself in good shape and I'm attracted to men who are larger than me. Being that there are times when I struggle with pain and I literally try to jump out of my bonds because the pain can be tremendous, he's gonna have to be able to hold me down.

hisgirl2011 -> RE: Physical strength and D/s (6/21/2009 5:56:48 PM)
Yay, the oppression of women is finally ending altogether. Now women are afforded more opportunities than ever before. Slowly, things are changing!! The reason it is still a man's world is that previous generations of men earned more college degrees than previous generations of women. However, as women's academic achievement soars, the male advantage will gradually end and the female advantage will begin. Women, now outnumber men in college by four to three. In absolute numbers, more men are attending college than ever before. However, the rate of increase among men has been one-sixth that of women over the past 20 years. So it's not that more women are attending college; the problem is that men aren't keeping pace with them. Girls are excelling; boys are underachieving. The longer students are in school, the wider the gap becomes. Boys' academic performance relative to girls has been plummeting for decades. Boys are more likely than girls to earn poor grades, be held back a grade, have a learning disability, form a negative attitude toward school, get suspended or expelled, or drop out of school. More facts on the changes in the Workforce..... Women have a growing influence on the fields of law and government. They represent half of law school students and one-third of lawyers. By 2050, they're projected to represent 60% of law school students. Women constitute half of medical school students and one-fourth of physicians. They're projected to constitute 70% of medical school students and the majority of physicians by 2050. According to a U.S. Census Bureau report, women are starting businesses at twice the rate of men. They're also rapidly rising into managerial and administrative positions. In short, women are becoming richer and more powerful - and this is a good thing for America. Fueling this trend is the growing number of women earning college degrees. More education pays off in a big way. Those with a bachelor's degree earn, on average, nearly twice what those with just a high school diploma earn in a year, and roughly $1 million more over a lifetime. Hillary Clinton came as close as one possibly could to becoming the Democratic nominee for president. Sarah Palin made history as the Republican Party's first female candidate for vice president. Nancy Pelosi was elected as the first female speaker of the House. There are now more female senators, congresswomen, and state legislators than ever before. Among 25- to 29-year-olds, 33% of women have earned at least a bachelor's degree compared with just 23% of men. This is the first generation of women to be more educated than their male counterparts. This shift means that women will increasingly get the high-paid jobs while men will experience a drop in earnings. This is already happening. Men in their 30s are the first generation to earn significantly less income than their fathers' generation did at the same age. As the number of jobs that require little education decreases, more and more men will become unemployed. In the current economy, unemployment is higher and rising faster for men than for women. Some may argue that it's still a man's world. After all, men still wield more power and earn more money than women. This is all true - for now. But a change is coming.

PeonForHer -> RE: Physical strength and D/s (6/21/2009 6:18:34 PM)
In short, women are becoming richer and more powerful - and this is a good thing for America. Why?

DavanKael -> RE: Physical strength and D/s (6/21/2009 6:28:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: variation30 quote: ORIGINAL: DavanKael A male partner being physically strong is extremely important to me. I make no bones about the fact that I want a man who can and would defend me physically if needed. I am a woman of small stature but I'm a lot stronger than many people would tend to think and I dislike the idea of being with someone who is not at least, pound for pound, as strong as am I; I don't want some guy I have to worry about breaking, lol! Davan http://www.carryconcealed.net/ + http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=5720&return=Y although now that I'm moving to Canada for a few years... http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php I care for my woman more than anything else in the world, I take measures to protect her from any aggressors. Hi, Variation30---- I am the proud owner of more than one gun, and lots and lots of bladed weapons. No matter how competent I become at protecting myself physically, how many weapons I own, I still prefer a male (Regardless of the side of the kneel) who can and will protect me if it comes down to that; it's a very fundamental need for me. If a man who is mine/I his isn't willing to throw down on my behalf and defend me with his all if that is what's called for, we have a serious problem. Davan

LyraLaLaurie -> RE: Physical strength and D/s (6/21/2009 7:30:32 PM)
I have a feeling my being 5'2" and 95 lbs is one of the reasons I love dominating men...crawling all over them, making them suck my magical purple dong and having them totally submit. Especially if they are much taller and larger. Makes me feel not only dominant, but fucking smug. Haha!

variation30 -> RE: Physical strength and D/s (6/21/2009 9:32:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hisgirl2011 Yay, the oppression of women is finally ending altogether. Now women are afforded more opportunities than ever before. Slowly, things are changing!! The reason it is still a man's world is that previous generations of men earned more college degrees than previous generations of women. However, as women's academic achievement soars, the male advantage will gradually end and the female advantage will begin. to be honest, I think that the gap between men and women professionally has already disappeared. it did long ago. the whole gender gap argument is bullshit and has always been bullshit (women make 70cents to the man dollar). I would posit that it is not gender discrimination that contributes to the pay gap, but is women's own choice to enter into the institution of marriage/child birth. if one were to look at ages 18-24 and use youth as a proxy for individual not touched by the institution of marriage, you would see no difference in pay wages. additionally, and here's the ringer, if you look at men versus women who have never been touched by marriage (never been married/divorced/had children) you will see no difference as well. when women enter into marriages (which they do willingly) and choose to have children (again, which they do willingly) they are making a choice that says the role of wife/mother is greater than that of occupational success. having to forfeit years of their life to family makes it impossible for most women to enter into and stay into certain fields that change quickly over time (the hard sciences, research, law) or achieve posts that take a long time to reach (female partners, executives) etc. as such, women tend to gravitate towards positions where taking a few years of their life to raise children or devote to families will not hamper their reentry to the job market. quote: Women, now outnumber men in college by four to three. In absolute numbers, more men are attending college than ever before. However, the rate of increase among men has been one-sixth that of women over the past 20 years. So it's not that more women are attending college; the problem is that men aren't keeping pace with them. the questions one must ask about this statistic (if it is true) is which degrees are they seeking. quote: Girls are excelling; boys are underachieving. The longer students are in school, the wider the gap becomes. Boys' academic performance relative to girls has been plummeting for decades. Boys are more likely than girls to earn poor grades, be held back a grade, have a learning disability, form a negative attitude toward school, get suspended or expelled, or drop out of school. again, this may be true. if it is, I would say there are other variables that are being overlooked...perhaps the sexes should not be treated equally in education. it may lead to problems and like trying and make one sex as...placid as the other through the use of pharmaceuticals. quote: Women have a growing influence on the fields of law and government. They represent half of law school students and one-third of lawyers. By 2050, they're projected to represent 60% of law school students. Women constitute half of medical school students and one-fourth of physicians. They're projected to constitute 70% of medical school students and the majority of physicians by 2050. According to a U.S. Census Bureau report, women are starting businesses at twice the rate of men. They're also rapidly rising into managerial and administrative positions. In short, women are becoming richer and more powerful - and this is a good thing for America. Fueling this trend is the growing number of women earning college degrees. More education pays off in a big way. Those with a bachelor's degree earn, on average, nearly twice what those with just a high school diploma earn in a year, and roughly $1 million more over a lifetime. Hillary Clinton came as close as one possibly could to becoming the Democratic nominee for president. Sarah Palin made history as the Republican Party's first female candidate for vice president. Nancy Pelosi was elected as the first female speaker of the House. There are now more female senators, congresswomen, and state legislators than ever before. I would not suggest that winning national popularity contests are adding to the merits of any sex. quote: Among 25- to 29-year-olds, 33% of women have earned at least a bachelor's degree compared with just 23% of men. This is the first generation of women to be more educated than their male counterparts. This shift means that women will increasingly get the high-paid jobs while men will experience a drop in earnings. This is already happening. Men in their 30s are the first generation to earn significantly less income than their fathers' generation did at the same age. again, too many ignored variables to list... quote: As the number of jobs that require little education decreases, more and more men will become unemployed. In the current economy, unemployment is higher and rising faster for men than for women. perhaps the number of jobs that require little eductaion (manufacturing and production) are required, and the idea that this trend will continue (which was only upheld by the belief that an economy can grow through credit expansion as opposed to production) is erroneous. quote: Some may argue that it's still a man's world. After all, men still wield more power and earn more money than women. This is all true - for now. But a change is coming. perhaps. I care very little whether or not men or women make more money. all I care is that it is in an environment where each person has the ability to rise as far as their abilities/ambition can take them. I will suggest that it will always be a 'man's world'. education has been available to both sexes for a long time now. if I were to ask you to look at winners of the Field's Medal or Nobel Prize (the Nobel Prize in real categories like the hard sciences, not sissy stuff like poetry), I think you will see that statistics about the population of campuses mean little. what is more, if you were to list the great classical performers, let's say cellists, of the past century, I think you'd have a hard time listing more than one female. this is how I view the sexes, (I'm stealing this from a man named Walter Block). men are nature/god's crap shoot and women are nature/god's insurance policy (this does fit certain evolutionary models concerning humans as well). men commit more crimes, there are more men in mental institutions, there are more men in prison...but on the other hand, there are more men who have wont he field's medal/nobel prize, more men chessmasters (I can only think of two females who have made a name for themselves in chess and they were sisters), there are mroe men ceo's, etc. we tend to occupy both the ends of the graph whereas women tend to gravitate towards the middle...which is a good thing. if our baby makers aren't stable then the future of our species is grim.

variation30 -> RE: Physical strength and D/s (6/21/2009 9:38:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DavanKael Hi, Variation30---- I am the proud owner of more than one gun, and lots and lots of bladed weapons. No matter how competent I become at protecting myself physically, how many weapons I own, I still prefer a male (Regardless of the side of the kneel) who can and will protect me if it comes down to that; it's a very fundamental need for me. If a man who is mine/I his isn't willing to throw down on my behalf and defend me with his all if that is what's called for, we have a serious problem. Davan I was posting that as a compensatory technique for all of us skinny guys who like to protect their women as well. my skinny arms won't do as much damage to a sternum as a .32.

DesFIP -> RE: Physical strength and D/s (6/21/2009 10:23:05 PM)
I wouldn't leave him if he lost physical strength due to chronic illness. My love isn't based on that. Unfortunately my libido does respond to him being physically stronger. My ex developed a chronic illness and lost a great deal of weight. Although I still cared for him, I was a great deal less attracted sexually. However his libido suffered as a result of the illness so it didn't become an issue. The marriage ended for totally different reasons. As far as him becoming abusive simply because he's stronger? He's not capable of it. And 911 works no matter his size. But yeah, taller, stronger, more powerful - all of these things are a turn on for me along with a great many other factors.

DavanKael -> RE: Physical strength and D/s (6/21/2009 10:47:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: variation30 quote: ORIGINAL: DavanKael Hi, Variation30---- I am the proud owner of more than one gun, and lots and lots of bladed weapons. No matter how competent I become at protecting myself physically, how many weapons I own, I still prefer a male (Regardless of the side of the kneel) who can and will protect me if it comes down to that; it's a very fundamental need for me. If a man who is mine/I his isn't willing to throw down on my behalf and defend me with his all if that is what's called for, we have a serious problem. Davan I was posting that as a compensatory technique for all of us skinny guys who like to protect their women as well. my skinny arms won't do as much damage to a sternum as a .32. Ah, understood. I just perved your profile to see what you were compensating for in terms of stature. Imo, the height works in your favor (You're a touch above average) and in a couple of years, you'll likely add more musculature and thus weight, so you may not feel such a need to comensate though I applaud your forethought to have the ability to utilize other means to protect that which is yours. :> Davan

DavanKael -> RE: Physical strength and D/s (6/21/2009 10:49:57 PM)
Regarding thoughts of leaving one's partner if they became ill, lost their physical powerfulness: given I'm a relationship kind of a girl and the whole "Until death do us part" really is something within which I place stock, no, of course, I would not leave my life mate for becoming ill (Hell, I didn't leave mine when he became a parasitic turd for a long time). Davan

Joseff -> RE: Physical strength and D/s (6/22/2009 6:28:17 PM)
I am a recovering blacksmith, lets just say I'm not weak. I 'm not really sure if my strength has ever made much difference in our play.

terramara -> RE: Physical strength and D/s (6/22/2009 10:39:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Andalusite In the "Dominant woman" thread over in P&RS, the poster argued that women should be submissive because men are stronger. I've seen some similar stuff over in the Gorean thread. I'm not looking now, but when I was, I did want a man who was strong enough to be able to spot me in my gymnastics practice, playfight/wrestle with, etc., whether he was dominant, submissive, top, or bottom. I'm really strong relative to my size and gender, so I do have to be a bit careful sometimes, but all of the guys I've dated loved that, and didn't feel it made me less feminine. Anyway, there are plenty of men who are far stronger than I am, but who I don't react to on a D/s basis at all. One of my former friends picked me up, sitting in the palm of his hand, straight over my head, and threw me about 10 feet across the swimming pool. Sure, he could "make me" do something, if he were so inclined, but that has nothing to do with consensual D/s. Anyway, how important is physical strength in your relationships? I lift weights recreationally, and it is a serious hobby of mine. I'm very interested in functional strength, rather than lifting primarily for aesthetics.. As a result, I have the same level of strength as my boyfriend/ submissive, and I consider him to be strong.( He thinks that I'm stronger than he is, but I'm not sure I agree with him) I know that my strength is appealing to him, but it's not essential to his submission to me.

janiebelle -> RE: Physical strength and D/s (6/22/2009 10:49:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: variation30 quote: ORIGINAL: DavanKael Hi, Variation30---- I am the proud owner of more than one gun, and lots and lots of bladed weapons. No matter how competent I become at protecting myself physically, how many weapons I own, I still prefer a male (Regardless of the side of the kneel) who can and will protect me if it comes down to that; it's a very fundamental need for me. If a man who is mine/I his isn't willing to throw down on my behalf and defend me with his all if that is what's called for, we have a serious problem. Davan I was posting that as a compensatory technique for all of us skinny guys who like to protect their women as well. my skinny arms won't do as much damage to a sternum as a .32. Perhaps. However, even men of small stature can do better than that to protect them and theirs. Heck, I'm just a girl, and Kimber .45 is my daily carry gun. Stopping power, V30. Look at the stats. You might rethink that .32 j

variation30 -> RE: Physical strength and D/s (6/23/2009 12:25:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: janiebelle quote: ORIGINAL: variation30 quote: ORIGINAL: DavanKael Hi, Variation30---- I am the proud owner of more than one gun, and lots and lots of bladed weapons. No matter how competent I become at protecting myself physically, how many weapons I own, I still prefer a male (Regardless of the side of the kneel) who can and will protect me if it comes down to that; it's a very fundamental need for me. If a man who is mine/I his isn't willing to throw down on my behalf and defend me with his all if that is what's called for, we have a serious problem. Davan I was posting that as a compensatory technique for all of us skinny guys who like to protect their women as well. my skinny arms won't do as much damage to a sternum as a .32. Perhaps. However, even men of small stature can do better than that to protect them and theirs. Heck, I'm just a girl, and Kimber .45 is my daily carry gun. Stopping power, V30. Look at the stats. You might rethink that .32 j I carry the sp101 b/c I can go with a .357 and a .38 (not a .32) I usually carry the .38, but I have been more tempted to carry a .357. I just don't think the .357 is necessary. most encounters happen at around 12 feet. at that range, a 158 grain .38 will do just fine. and if one doesn't, the next four will. keep in mind my revolver has a 2 1/4 inch barrel. squeezing off 5 .357's is pretty rough (not to mention bright at night). I can get the .38's out quicker and, at a distance, more accurately (not to mention cheaper). but yeah. the .357 JHP is a nasty, nasty round, I just think it's overkill. if I were to carry a .45 (or an semi-automatic), I'd go for the old colt 1911's. you can't break those things. but I'm more of a revolver man.

ChasingOblivion -> RE: Physical strength and D/s (6/23/2009 12:37:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery i respectfully disagree. Women are definitely more vulnerable. If it came to a straight fight id back the man every time unless the Woman had a knife but fist to fist a man would win every time. Why do you think males are generally the one's responsible for domestic violence, why are hundreds of thousands of Women murdered every year. it s because they have been with abusive partners. i m not abusive myself and would have no time for any man who took out his violence on a Woman. but neither would i ever fear a Woman, i hope a Woman would never fear me either but if it came down to it i would be able to restrain a Woman kevin Actually, at least in the United States, according to recent studies, there are just as many male victims of domestic violence as there are females. Men are just far less likely to call the police and report it if their wife or girlfriend beats them up. There's a lot of social stigmas and fear of public ridicule.

RLMK -> RE: Physical strength and D/s (6/23/2009 12:44:03 AM)
As for the gun stuff -- if you can hit w. it, and are diligent in carrying it, great. I second that a 32 might not be enough, as it doesn't really have sufficient penetration, but it still beats a punch. (As for the strong enough stuff... I was a nationally ranked SHW (not telling), and 4 punks, all under 6' and under 160, tried to car jack me -- the little bitty pistol I pulled out of my pocket got them to leave, not that I was 6'4 and 335# of mean. That I was armed benefited everyone, including the 4 idiots, because they got to go away and rethink their lives. Had they attacked me, and I been unarmed, I would not have had options, and would have had to have been rather nasty to them -- and may have gotten killed in the process. These days I carry a 10MM or 357 or a 9MM or a 45 or a 357 sig - because I like those guns, and I shoot them well, and they fit my hands well. It really just varies on which one is easier to conceal, and which one I feel like wearing. I think of them more like ties, and just fit them to my wardrobe... But I like guns, and I like to compete in shooting -- those different guns also let me shoot in which ever class is popular at the match I'm shooting. My brother just views them as tools, and usually just drops a snubnose in his pocket. The important thing is that you're proficient and comfortable w. the gun -- after that, carry the largest caliber you find comfortable and are willing to be proficient with.

Andalusite -> RE: Physical strength and D/s (6/23/2009 6:26:44 AM)
I can lift a guy who weighs up to around 200 pounds and up to about 6'2", and do martial arts sparring with guys who weigh twice what I do, but most guys do have an edge in upper body strength. There were several guys who I could do the throws and pins with, but had enough weight/leverage that they could roll out and take me with them, if I kept the hold (obviously, I wasn't going full force, either, since I didn't actually want to injure them). Someone asked about a man who can defend me instead attacking - so far, that has not been an issue, and I try to be very careful to only date men who have good self-control, don't lose their temper easily, and are protective without being outrageously jealous. I definitely don't consider guns to be part of the D/s equation - I've gone target shooting several times with my aunt and uncle, and friends, and did well for a relative beginner (with the 9 mm, .22, and .32 - the .357 had just enough kick to throw my aim off a bit), but I don't feel I am accurate enough to own one.

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