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I have To Post This - 2/13/2006 9:10:29 AM   
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I know that from the way SOME Americans may seem that we are unaware of the things that occur around us. Americans in general are no more liars, thieves, cheats, cowards, and bullies than anyone in any other country in the world is. It is hard to say that general Americans are like that because that is a stereotypical assessment from observing a handful of people. How many people are there in the United States? Millions to be exact and the GENERAL population cannot be judged by its leader or by a select group of people. I am in college right now working to become a history teacher in the good old USA, and I am proud for the future in which I am going to be helping to shape. Americans are not uneducated as some people may think; we have some of the best schools in the world. Children in America are taught where states are and their capitals even before they get out of 2nd grade. Therefore, by the time, the child is about 10 years old; they can recite the states and capitals and know where they are on a map. Now not all schools in the United States are equal in the level of education, but the teachers have to teach the children the same information. Sure, some citizens do not care about OUR beloved United States, but that does not mean we are ALL ignorant. I am a living historian in whom I teach youth groups about the American Revolutionary War, War of 1812, and American Civil War. I know minute details and share them amongst the children I teach. In addition, I know that those children gain a greater sense of history and education and will want to further their education in the future. There are thousands of people like me that have a passion for education to the extent to which we make it our whole livelihood. History is my job, my passion, my cup of tea if you will. Therefore, from the work I do I ensure that the youth of today will be well educated and well informed about the world around them. It is a shame that people that do not see the full picture on what goes on behind the headlines of the media, make judgments about the United States. Just because our government makes bad decisions from time to time, that does not mean that Americans follow our elected officials. There are majority votes and minority votes, and the minority is the ones that are lumped in with the rest of the crowd and are assumed to have the same beliefs/thoughts/ideals. That is an assumption and not cold hard fact. I do not know where you come from but ALL Americans know what happened on September 11, 2001. We all know where and how it happened and who did it. Anyone could point out on a globe where Afghanistan is if one was handed to us and we studied it. So how can Americans be considered to be uneducated and do not care about what is going on around us. I think that saying that is negligence on the speaker’s part and shows the speakers lack of knowledge on the topic and of American society in general. I love this nation and stand behind it 100%.
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RE: I have To Post This - 2/13/2006 9:17:14 AM   
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So how can Americans be considered to be uneducated and do not care about what is going on around us.

In terms of global issues and politics and understandings, I do think the majority of people are completely ignorant. I think the fact that I know as much as I know has only taught me that I really have no clue and hardly ever talk on such topics because I know there are so many other factors and issues going on that I'm just not educated enough to speak intelligently or offer any real opinion.

However, I think we all CARE to a certain extent.

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RE: I have To Post This - 2/13/2006 9:27:48 AM   
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More years ago I was still an Officer in the Australian Regular Army (SAS) and was with a group of US Servicemen in Freemantle when one of the Navy ships were in. One lad, a Texan as I remember, commented to me that put a group of Americans together and there will be a pissing contest about everything American was bigger, better and faster than anyone else could produce. He continues his comment with the statement that the problem was that from early childhood, the folks of his and his parent's generations were brainwashed that the USA was God's gift to humanity. Laughing, he told me that the "Yanks" couldn't do this with the Aussies because our country was so big, and besides as he commented get the Ameriacans out of their groups and mix with the one on one and they were just like us Aussies. (Well I find we are closer to California in outlook but closer to the Southern States in humour ~ Were I was born there was a strong sympethic feeling for the Confederacy for which many of the Irish members of my family fought). I have a deep respect and love for The US people.

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RE: I have To Post This - 2/13/2006 9:29:05 AM   
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While I generally agree with the OP's post there were a few things ....


quote:

How many people are there in the United States? Millions to be exact


I'd avoid the use of "exact" in such a general statement.

By the way, in July of 2005, the census bureau estimated there were approximately 295,500,000 people in the US.

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We all can point out on a globe where Afghanistan is.


I'd lay good money that far less than 50 percent of the people in the US could find Afghanistan on an outline map with the country borders drawn in and probably 10 could find it on a map showing only shorelines.

I remember asking a group of seniors in a college journalism program why, if they were editors, they might want to look carefully at a story that the Iranian army had invaded Israel. Only two were aware that the countries don't share a contiguous border and do, in fact, have two countries between them.

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RE: I have To Post This - 2/13/2006 9:36:19 AM   
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I think any reasonable, thinking person would agree with you in a general sense. Generalizing is never adviseable.

However, I do customer service for a major U.S. company (yes, I do this from my location here in Canada) and the majority of people I talk to do not, IMO, represent their country well. I realize that I get a disproportionately high number of people who aren't very bright simply based on what I do and don't generalize that to ALL U.S. citizens but I do see general trends in thinking patterns even in the people I speak to who are reasonably bright, articulate and reasonable. It's actually a very interesting job in that respect since I've always been a student of human nature.

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RE: I have To Post This - 2/13/2006 9:51:11 AM   
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Thank You Mr. Warren for your reply. I am sorry i made an exact statement in a generalized post. Also that i am sorry for wording that everyone could find Afghanistan on a map, i understand that everyone has different abilities and it might be difficult for them to do so. I have since edited my OP to reflect this.

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RE: I have To Post This - 2/13/2006 9:52:24 AM   
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I agree that the stereotype of the ignorant American is just that, a sttereotype, but, it is one that is not entirely based on false assumptions. I remember many, many years ago, I was at a July 4th concert in Bufaloe (Bob Dylan, Grateful Dead, Tom petty...THAT'S a hell of a show ). I can't remember what year it was, but at the time the US was facing a major budget crisis. I happened to mention this to some Americans I was talking with around a campfire after the show, and they had no clue what i was talking about. So i started explaining the crisis, and that revealed that they had at best a rudimentary understanding of how the US government worked, and so I explained the 3 branchs & their functions...each thing I explained revealed further lack of understanding on their part, and led to further explanations...by the end i was effectively teaching a crowd of Americans all about their system of government late into the night.

At first I was really shocked at the depth of thier ignorance of their own system of government, but as time goes on I find a similar lack of comprehension here in Canada as well.

Anybody interested in a humourous take on this should check out a few episodes of Rick Mercer's "Talking with Americans"..very funny stuff.

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RE: I have To Post This - 2/13/2006 9:57:40 AM   
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each thing I explained revealed further lack of understanding on their part, and led to further explanations

The year didnt happen to be 1969 did it? <s>

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RE: I have To Post This - 2/13/2006 9:59:20 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pupofMoGa

I know that from the way SOME Americans may seem that we are unaware of the things that occur around us. Americans in general are no more liars, thieves, cheats, cowards, and bullies than anyone in any other country in the world is. It is hard to say that general Americans are like that because that is a stereotypical assessment from observing a handful of people. How many people are there in the United States? Millions to be exact and the GENERAL population cannot be judged by its leader or by a select group of people. I am in college right now working to become a history teacher in the good old USA, and I am proud for the future in which I am going to be helping to shape. Americans are not uneducated as some people may think; we have some of the best schools in the world. Children in America are taught where states are and their capitals even before they get out of 2nd grade. Therefore, by the time, the child is about 10 years old; they can recite the states and capitals and know where they are on a map. Now not all schools in the United States are equal in the level of education, but the teachers have to teach the children the same information. Sure, some citizens do not care about OUR beloved United States, but that does not mean we are ALL ignorant. I am a living historian in whom I teach youth groups about the American Revolutionary War, War of 1812, and American Civil War. I know minute details and share them amongst the children I teach. In addition, I know that those children gain a greater sense of history and education and will want to further their education in the future. There are thousands of people like me that have a passion for education to the extent to which we make it our whole livelihood. History is my job, my passion, my cup of tea if you will. Therefore, from the work I do I ensure that the youth of today will be well educated and well informed about the world around them. It is a shame that people that do not see the full picture on what goes on behind the headlines of the media, make judgments about the United States. Just because our government makes bad decisions from time to time, that does not mean that Americans follow our elected officials. There are majority votes and minority votes, and the minority is the ones that are lumped in with the rest of the crowd and are assumed to have the same beliefs/thoughts/ideals. That is an assumption and not cold hard fact. I do not know where you come from but ALL Americans know what happened on September 11, 2001. We all know where and how it happened and who did it. Anyone could point out on a globe where Afghanistan is if one was handed to us and we studied it. So how can Americans be considered to be uneducated and do not care about what is going on around us. I think that saying that is negligence on the speaker’s part and shows the speakers lack of knowledge on the topic and of American society in general. I love this nation and stand behind it 100%.
-pup



Pup, I am very proud of your beliefs and your strong convictions. I think you are going to make a wonderful history teacher. <hugs>

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RE: I have To Post This - 2/13/2006 10:02:28 AM   
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Awwwww thank You Mistress! I love You so much. <hugs>

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RE: I have To Post This - 2/13/2006 10:14:37 AM   
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The year didnt happen to be 1969 did it? <s>

Well since the budget crisis was as a result of the provisions of the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Act....I would guess not.

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RE: I have To Post This - 2/13/2006 10:22:42 AM   
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quote:

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More years ago I was still an Officer in the Australian Regular Army (SAS) and was with a group of US Servicemen in Freemantle when one of the Navy ships were in. One lad, a Texan as I remember, commented to me that put a group of Americans together and there will be a pissing contest about everything American was bigger, better and faster than anyone else could produce. He continues his comment with the statement that the problem was that from early childhood, the folks of his and his parent's generations were brainwashed that the USA was God's gift to humanity. Laughing, he told me that the "Yanks" couldn't do this with the Aussies because our country was so big, and besides as he commented get the Ameriacans out of their groups and mix with the one on one and they were just like us Aussies. (Well I find we are closer to California in outlook but closer to the Southern States in humour ~ Were I was born there was a strong sympethic feeling for the Confederacy for which many of the Irish members of my family fought). I have a deep respect and love for The US people.

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Great post Iron Bear. I think Aussies are wonderfully good people and like your contrast vis-à-vis California/Southern states.

When others think of the United States, unless they truly have a grasp on the whole Geo-Political dynamic, they don't understand that special interests are what really drive policy.

And then when you factor in that a very large segment of our potential voting bloc has no idea that they've fallen prey to a phony paradigm, it isn't likely that things we be changing any time soon.

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RE: I have To Post This - 2/13/2006 10:24:58 AM   
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quote:

The year didnt happen to be 1969 did it? <s>

Well since the budget crisis was as a result of the provisions of the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Act....I would guess not.


<sigh> Poor attempt at an over-used joke. If you remember the 60's you werent there. <another joke> lol

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RE: I have To Post This - 2/13/2006 10:28:04 AM   
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Thank You Mr. Warren for your reply. I am sorry i made an exact statement in a generalized post. Also that i am sorry for wording that everyone could find Afghanistan on a map, i understand that everyone has different abilities and it might be difficult for them to do so. I have since edited my OP to reflect this.

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RE: I have To Post This - 2/13/2006 10:52:37 AM   
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OK, basically I agree with you, but one country can invade another even if they don't border each other. We just invaded Iraq, right?

As for whether Americans tend to be ignorant about world affairs: I'm American, and I agree that Americans tend to be ignorant about world affairs. It's because our standard of living is so high and because, to the average dumass in the middle of the country, we seem to be able to do our thing without having to cooperate with any other nations. People who still think that way are in for a serious awakening, of course, but I'd wager that the majority of Americans really do think that way.

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I remember asking a group of seniors in a college journalism program why, if they were editors, they might want to look carefully at a story that the Iranian army had invaded Israel. Only two were aware that the countries don't share a contiguous border and do, in fact, have two countries between them.



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RE: I have To Post This - 2/13/2006 1:57:12 PM   
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The book that I am currently reading is George Orwell's 1984. What is scary is that Orwell points out that keeping the masses ignorant is the key to their government. Reading this book, especially now in today's political climate is quite frightening.

Am I proud to live in the USA? Sure I am. Do I blindly think that the US doesn't have it's problems? Of course it does.

You are a teacher and you should be applauded for your passion and eagerness to educate young minds... however, do not fool yourself. Our education system pales in comparison to some other countries.

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RE: I have To Post This - 2/13/2006 2:04:08 PM   
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Thank You for the compliment Mr Gauge. I am very passionate about educating the children. I feel that any education system is only as good as the teachers make it. That is why i am trying to become the best teacher that i can.

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RE: I have To Post This - 2/13/2006 2:40:09 PM   
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The book that I am currently reading is George Orwell's 1984. What is scary is that Orwell points out that keeping the masses ignorant is the key to their government. Reading this book, especially now in today's political climate is quite frightening.


The psychological term is pluralistic ignorance and it's a powerful tool for evil. What really bothers me is the way the present administration seems to be working to keep itself ignorant concerning those who don't agree with it. Loyalty oaths in order to attend a political roundtable indicates a real terror of dissent.

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RE: I have To Post This - 2/13/2006 5:27:34 PM   
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The main reason American people get there reputation for being stupid is because of the insular attitude America has, it says in the opening message that “Children in America are taught where states are and their capitals even before they get out of 2nd grade. Therefore, by the time, the child is about 10 years old; they can recite the states and capitals and know where they are on a map.” In Britain Schools tend to concentrate more on teaching global history and geography at an early age as well as our own, which is something they also do in most other countries in Europe. I disagree with the statements “The GENERAL population cannot be judged by its leader” and “Just because our government makes bad decisions from time to time, that does not mean that Americans follow our elected officials.” The people elect their leader, even if you don’t think it is fair that America is judged by the actions of George Bush he is still Americas elected representative and what he does effects how America is looked upon by the rest of the world. When considering something like the reputation of a nation you really have to look at these things in the round.

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RE: I have To Post This - 2/13/2006 5:53:13 PM   
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Hi MstrTiger,
I have to say in defense that pup was responding to a message that was deleted shortly after it was posted. In the message the other person stated that "Americans don't know what state is next to theirs, much less where other countries are". Thus this line: “Children in America are taught where states are and their capitals even before they get out of 2nd grade. Therefore, by the time, the child is about 10 years old; they can recite the states and capitals and know where they are on a map.” This is the reason he wrote that line. Not to say how superior America is, but to let the other person know that, yes, indeed, children are taught at an early age where the states are and their capitals.

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The people elect their leader, even if you don’t think it is fair that America is judged by the actions of George Bush he is still Americas elected representative and what he does effects how America is looked upon by the rest of the world. When considering something like the reputation of a nation you really have to look at these things in the round.

Not all people elected him. Yes, he is the president, but *I* didnt vote for him, and many didnt vote for him. But, we are the minority, obviously since he is now president.
Nice post, btw.


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