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Drakontos -> RE: what shall I do with this? (6/21/2009 6:43:46 PM)
quote: Drakontos, may I ask you, lets say,you hadnt told your slave about the conditions about you seeing others, what would you had react like,if later she would want to negotitate it? I ask you hypotetichally since you have the same outlook as this Dom of mine here. I am consious you are honorable enough not to act like he did,but lets just say hypotethically. It would not have come up. What most don't understand is that when I say that zaphira is property; I mean just that. She is a servant in my home, under my ownership. She has no rights. Therefore, she has no right to 're-negotiate' anything about the relationship. The only choices she has are to stay or ask for release. I am under no obligation to explain anything to zaphira. If something changes within the relationship; I am under no obligation to tell her the changes, or to find out if she is 'happy' with them. Zaphira does not run this relationship. I do. If she is unhappy at any time, all she has to do is walk out the door. There would be no hard feelings.

angelikaJ -> RE: what shall I do with this? (6/21/2009 6:46:21 PM)
By my definition exposing you to the possibility of sexually transmitted diseases is not caring behavior, nor is telling you how things are going to be without discussing it first and especially without regards to your feelings.

NihilusZero -> RE: what shall I do with this? (6/21/2009 6:59:08 PM)
I cannot fathom a way to softly put any of this. This isn't about mockery. Certainly not from a random someone you don't know. This is about not developing a set of basic decision-making skills that any adult needs to live outside of a parent's home. He wants to fuck other women. He wants the freedom to engage in relationships with these women should he think he could pull it off. He wants a safety net in case he contracts something. He has figured out how to manipulate you by instilling the notion of some magical connection ("spiritual bond for eternity"...really?) because, frankly...it'll work. You'll swallow it and it deepens your addiction. I take it you've signed on to be a TPE slave already? In which case none of this should matter because you should have seen in coming (unless you actually brought up prerequisites prior to the relationship starting). So, Drakontos' point stands: you either deal with it or you nullify the entire thing.

Malkinius -> RE: what shall I do with this? (6/21/2009 7:00:57 PM)
Greetings monaslave.... Are you sure that was a crayon and not a dye stick? Or something else that you might have ended up allergic to. Normal crayons don't do that and I will bet he knew exactly what he was doing. Pay attention to what Drakontos is saying. If you want to be that sort of slave, stay. If you want to be a sub, run. If you don't want to chance whatever he brings home to you, run. The advice you have been getting in this thread runs the gamut of advice for a basic sub to a complete slave. Make sure you know the difference when you read it and where in that spectrum you want to be. The more the slave the less you have a say in anything. The more the sub the more you are in control of everything. Where you fit is up to you but I do agree with others, this guy has set off enough alarms that you really should rethink any sort of relationship with him. Be well.... Malkinius

angelikaJ -> RE: what shall I do with this? (6/21/2009 7:03:02 PM)
Ordinary crayons don't typically write on skin well.

monaslave -> RE: what shall I do with this? (6/21/2009 7:07:56 PM)
Drakontos he said to me like you said, no right to demand,expect or assume do or not do anything, BUT, he never told me in that area with seeing others, anything about it, he only told me that I was not allowed to. See, first now he tells me,when I ask. otherwise he would never told me. I, and him,thought it to be getting to know eachother after you have taken a stand, and taking it slow. thats the model we ran after. It was me wanting to take it slow, and it took some time before I agreed to anything. we talked and talked, we just didnt get into THAT. I assume he WOULD tell me his wants. well I dont know how hes going to explain when I ask him about deseases and others,LadySweetOrSour. I also say no to what youre saying there. I will have a look on those psychosomatics but I also know,I did not thought it. No,we did not as I mentioned discuss this,I assumed he would because all Doms would. he didnt.

KyttynTheMynx -> RE: what shall I do with this? (6/21/2009 7:12:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: monaslave Drakontos he said to me like you said, no right to demand,expect or assume do or not do anything, BUT, he never told me in that area with seeing others, anything about it, he only told me that I was not allowed to. See, first now he tells me,when I ask. otherwise he would never told me. I, and him,thought it to be getting to know eachother after you have taken a stand, and taking it slow. thats the model we ran after. It was me wanting to take it slow, and it took some time before I agreed to anything. we talked and talked, we just didnt get into THAT. I assume he WOULD tell me his wants. well I dont know how hes going to explain when I ask him about deseases and others,LadySweetOrSour. I also say no to what youre saying there. I will have a look on those psychosomatics but I also know,I did not thought it. No,we did not as I mentioned discuss this,I assumed he would because all Doms would. he didnt. Look. When he says you have no right to demand, expect, etc it means just that, and I assume he means in all areas.

catize -> RE: what shall I do with this? (6/21/2009 7:15:35 PM)
I’m not sure what is confusing about “yes he sees once in a while others and so it will be in the future as well.(what the --does he mean by that?)” It seems perfectly clear that he does not intend to be monogamous. quote: ORIGINAL: monaslave we are not talking about boyfriends,were talking about a different dynamic I dont think it can be compared Why can’t it be compared? The point of engaging in any type of relationship means that it should be a positive thing in your life. So he calls himself a master; that and $3 will get you a latte at your favorite coffee shop! Can you trust him? Is he worth getting a disease or dying for? If you do become infected with an STD because of his carelessness, is he going to pay your medical bills or for your funeral? Can you live happily with the conditions of your slavery to him? Can you live happily with his ‘mastery’? Your choice: happiness or misery---and you are the one who needs to figure out under what circumstances either of those conditions will apply.

LovingMistress45 -> RE: what shall I do with this? (6/21/2009 7:16:19 PM)
I really wonder about these posts. Apparently you are both monaslave and MARAA interesting one lives in Canada and the other in Denmark. You post these questions but really don't seem that interested in what anyone says. Post from both IDs are like Soap Operas and full of drama - "what should I do?" Frankly you are old enough to decide what you want. You want to be a slave, then be one and do everything he demands. Anyone that agrees to be owned by someone they haven't met needs more than you are going to get from these boards. And yesterday's postings indicated that you had not met him in person. So, if you agreed to be owned without knowing the conditions that is on you not him. So as far as what to do this time, step back and decide what you want. Don't agree to be owned or have sex with someone you don't know. Yesterday's post indicates he wants you forever, if that is true for him then he will wait until you are sure. Right now, from my view point you aren't owned therefore you are not his slave and can demand anything you want in order to make an informed decision. But my really question is why are you even considering this? You don't trust him that is apparent (and it appears with good reason) so why would you consider giving him total control of you? Frankly I doubt this will have any effect on what you do or don't do.

naughtysubK -> RE: what shall I do with this? (6/21/2009 7:19:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Drakontos quote: Drakontos, may I ask you, lets say,you hadnt told your slave about the conditions about you seeing others, what would you had react like,if later she would want to negotitate it? I ask you hypotetichally since you have the same outlook as this Dom of mine here. I am consious you are honorable enough not to act like he did,but lets just say hypotethically. It would not have come up. What most don't understand is that when I say that zaphira is property; I mean just that. She is a servant in my home, under my ownership. She has no rights. Therefore, she has no right to 're-negotiate' anything about the relationship. The only choices she has are to stay or ask for release. I am under no obligation to explain anything to zaphira. If something changes within the relationship; I am under no obligation to tell her the changes, or to find out if she is 'happy' with them. Zaphira does not run this relationship. I do. If she is unhappy at any time, all she has to do is walk out the door. There would be no hard feelings. I will assume that in your case she did not consent to be your slave without a thorough knowledge of what that would entail. And the two of you spend time together, or at least met face to face before she became your slave. I think that there lies the major difference between your M/s relatonship and the OP's situation.

monaslave -> RE: what shall I do with this? (6/21/2009 7:52:22 PM)
it was crayons with colors. with ink. it was not a stick,you can get crayons like children use with colors. it was such ones.dry,and sharp. Malkinius, what do you mean,by he knew what he was doing? so it must have been some kind of ritual anyway? because then hes lied to me about that,as well. and then its even more serious,because you do not play around with such stuff. its hard to say suggestion or not but ive seen some stuff that cannot be explained. so i know some stuff works. the thing is,he hasnt told me,and even if tpe or not,he should had. and besides not all tpe folks fuck around and stay with one person. or at least they know what they fuck,and take precautions.or,thats just my impression.

GreedyTop -> RE: what shall I do with this? (6/21/2009 8:03:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: monaslave well I understand how you mean, Drakontos, he never told me that was the conditions. I am sure you did with your slave. I have to ask,to get to know,and thats bad,technically speaking,because it is his responsibility to tell me. no matter what it is,what he demands of his slave. all I know he told me I was not to have others. Then nothing. and we have talked so many things it was simply not time for me to catch my breath. otherwise I would had ask him much earlier, but thats not the point,its his responsibility telling me what his terms are. so,he might not even wanted to tell me. how do I know. now he doesnt tell me what he means with seeing others.it could mean everything,from casual play,old flames to vanila girlfriends to a harem! i just dont know. so i have to figure out. but still, he didnt tell me and does it technically again. Bullshit. It is YOUR responsibility as A PERSON to ask questions BEFORE you get involved. What? because he is a dom/master/uber-bitchin dick swinger you no longer have any responsibility for YOURSELF? srsly.

DesFIP -> RE: what shall I do with this? (6/21/2009 10:37:48 PM)
A lie of omission here was done deliberately to deceive you. If he had said upfront "I'm interested in having multiple sex partners with no condom usage and propose to get life threatening illnesses and spread them around to as many people as possible" would you have said "great, I want some of that" or would you have said "Ick. Don't darken my door again". The fact that he didn't disclose this major an item means he's a liar and you can't trust him. So tell him now what you would have said if he told you in the beginning. The fact that he says you've suddenly become a slave lacking the ability to walk doesn't make that true. If you find that what he wants will not make you happy and you don't want to have anything more to do with him, then tell him that. And enforce it by calling the police if he comes over trying to force you. Because once you've said no, then it's rape and assault.

Lockit -> RE: what shall I do with this? (6/21/2009 10:54:38 PM)
Wow... If you are looking for magical signs for a deeper spiritual connection you can see them in most anything. What you need to pay attention to is what he is saying or not saying. I have been around a lot of years and no man has ever said anything close to what this man has said and I find it rather scary. You must accept everything even a disease????? Hello! Wake up! You see something wrong in it all or you wouldn't have posted. If a dominant says you have no options and that is what you want... cool... but if you don't like that... don't keep going with it because a marker left a mark on your leg like a burn. I would think that you had a reaction to the darn thing. I'd take a solid considerate dominant before a magical one that seems to only wish to benefit from you rather than see you as someone worth having desires, needs, opinions and input. Why would you consider a man like this?

TANTRADD -> RE: what shall I do with this? (6/21/2009 11:00:58 PM)
OP: Why does your profile say you are looking??/ How long have you been with this DOM? Have you met yet? Do you want AIDS??Stds? Do you wish to live? Do you wish to be safe...? T

LadyPact -> RE: what shall I do with this? (6/21/2009 11:27:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: monaslave we are not talking about boyfriends,were talking about a different dynamic I dont think it can be compared Why not? Because it will have BDSM involved in it? Because he's calling himself master and you're calling yourself slave? Perhaps because you are allergic to crayons? As the lovely GT has already put it..... Bullshit.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: what shall I do with this? (6/21/2009 11:36:20 PM)
I think he's full of shit, and someone you couldn't PAY me to get involved with. If I was you I'd excuse myself from the conversation and tell him you do not agree to his terms good luck and goodbye. quote: ORIGINAL: monaslave I mean, he has forbidden me to have others,but we have never talked about it,and now hes telling me hes seeing others once in a while. have to ask what that means. but as you read at first, he mean I have to accept as many he is doing,sort of. That would be fine,if we had talked about it,but we have not! so,what is your suggestions to how I handle this? and dont mock me,this is a serious problem now.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: what shall I do with this? (6/21/2009 11:53:17 PM)
I really don't think someone can call her not a slave if she ran off from this guy, she's presenting him as a loose cannon, and to me it doesn't make someone " a sub" not a "slave to run away from a loose cannon. I firmly believe even slaves have the right not to tie themselves to someone that's a loose cannon, or demanding stuff from you, that you don't agree with. You shouldn't have to willingly agree to be with someone who may bring home diseases and infect you with them to be called a slave. Slaves in my opinion have the right to choose the one they will serve. They better choose wisely however. quote: ORIGINAL: Malkinius Greetings monaslave.... Are you sure that was a crayon and not a dye stick? Or something else that you might have ended up allergic to. Normal crayons don't do that and I will bet he knew exactly what he was doing. Pay attention to what Drakontos is saying. If you want to be that sort of slave, stay. If you want to be a sub, run. If you don't want to chance whatever he brings home to you, run. The advice you have been getting in this thread runs the gamut of advice for a basic sub to a complete slave. Make sure you know the difference when you read it and where in that spectrum you want to be. The more the slave the less you have a say in anything. The more the sub the more you are in control of everything. Where you fit is up to you but I do agree with others, this guy has set off enough alarms that you really should rethink any sort of relationship with him. Be well.... Malkinius

MsValentine -> RE: what shall I do with this? (6/22/2009 1:14:53 AM)
Monaslave, I hardly know where to begin when I read your original and subsequent posts. I know you ask us not to mock and I don't think I am mocking you when I say for Goodness sake, have some sense of personal responsibility. You haven't met this guy and yet you say you are his slave. A slave means 'a person without rights, owned property' and if you have agreed to that without meeting the guy or making sure you have talked through all the parameters and ramifications of that particular kind of relationship, then you need to think hard about yourself and some of the decisions you make. If you have never met him, how can you know what he is really like? If it is going to be a real life relationship at some point, why rush into being slave and Master, why not start sensibly and just submit in certain ways which make you feel under his control but not so out of your depth. There have been several things you say he wants that make you feel bad or uneasy. Why be his then. There are loads more Dominant men out there. Find one who is more compatible with you . this is especially important if you do intend to go down the slave route as in my view, once you have committed to real ( and I use that word with certain reservations and qualifications) it is a for life thing. It is not a thing which is flitted in and out out with no calm thought gone into it. You have spent reply after reply defending a man who from what you have said about him makes the rest of us very concerned about his intelligence, morals and capability to be a man, let alone a Master in possession of a slave for life. I hope in actual fact this is all a fake and is a HNG having a bit of fun at us concerned types on CM. I really hope that it is a wind up. I feel quite depressed if I think this is real people getting into something in such a half-arsed, lust led, fantasy filled way and possibly opening themselves up to all kind of physical, mental and emotional suffering for which they are completely unprepared. However, if it isn't......please, Monaslave, take a step back while you can, stop being an apologist for this man and try to think clearly about all this and then...walk away. NO, run away, really fast and don't look back.

monaslave -> RE: what shall I do with this? (6/22/2009 1:27:18 AM)
it was indian ink colors. and it wasnt even hard. its there.like a burn,whatever I do. how would you get that away? I mean,if I was that allergic I would had got reactions on my skin like red,yes? I didnt.at all. it was there out of thin air. I know slaves as usual has no rights yadda-yadda, but, they do use to know what is expected also about fucking around. He says to me ´once in a while´seeing others,I dont know what the fuck that means. you know in our culture it could be all from multiple slaves to fuckbuddies to just a fuck. you dont know before you ask. youre right about deseases your damn right. I wonder if he ever thought of he might get deseases from his "fuck buddies". but hey,if I try talk this out with him he will only state "youre a slave no rights" talk with me,when its not what I am talking about. or shall I just say to him,hey,you lied to me? I dont know what the fuck to say.

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