Esinn
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No Esin I think you have misunderstood your reasons for choosing democracy. Democracy as an ideology is no more ''logical'' than any other. It has teachings that I personally agree with for various reasons. There are plenty of people who disagree. Democracy is no more logical or correct than any other ideology to take an example democracy is no more valid a concept than nazism or islam. I read up on democracy and see how it both works and has worked throughout history and decide that I like it, and so I decide to live my life according to this principle. That is no different whatsoever to choosing a religion. You can only have faith in an ideology you cannot be right per se you can only believe you are right. To take your example of suicide bombers these men are not wrong, I BELIEVE they are wrong and there is an enormous difference. This is I think what you have not understood with your analogy of the mad bus driver. What he is doing is not wrong, it has been judged to be wrong which is different. His faith in his idea is fair enough I simply disagree with it. For instance how would you demonstarte he was ''wrong''? You go onto show then how faith is unassailable which reinforces my point not diminishes it. How do you know suicide bombers are instilled with a ''false belief''? For all you and I know they could be carrying out the wishes of a particuarly angry deity and when we die we will regret our choices. I believe they are wrong, I believe that their ideas are unsound, and that is pure faith no different to abiding by a religion. I choose to accept democracy because I have studied it and seen how it has been applied in the world at large. How is that different to studying the teachings of a religous text and researching how that religion has interacted with society? I think communism is unsound for a number of different reasons but there are many who disagree with me, who is ''right'' The answer is neither and the choice you make is one of faith as you cannot know what is the correct method of governance you can only believe you know.
I am absolutely not playing devil's advocate Esin and this debate is entirely to do with the op. In answer to your original question I said that people choose their faith no differently to how we choose ideologies. quote:
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No Esin I think you have misunderstood your reasons for choosing democracy. Democracy as an ideology is no more ''logical'' than any other. It has teachings that I personally agree with for various reasons. There are plenty of people who disagree. Democracy is no more logical or correct than any other ideology to take an example democracy is no more valid a concept than nazism or islam. I read up on democracy and see how it both works and has worked throughout history and decide that I like it, and so I decide to live my life according to this principle. That is no different whatsoever to choosing a religion. You can only have faith in an ideology you cannot be right per se you can only believe you are right. To take your example of suicide bombers these men are not wrong, I BELIEVE they are wrong and there is an enormous difference. This is I think what you have not understood with your analogy of the mad bus driver. What he is doing is not wrong, it has been judged to be wrong which is different. His faith in his idea is fair enough I simply disagree with it. For instance how would you demonstarte he was ''wrong''? You go onto show then how faith is unassailable which reinforces my point not diminishes it. How do you know suicide bombers are instilled with a ''false belief''? For all you and I know they could be carrying out the wishes of a particuarly angry deity and when we die we will regret our choices. I believe they are wrong, I believe that their ideas are unsound, and that is pure faith no different to abiding by a religion. I choose to accept democracy because I have studied it and seen how it has been applied in the world at large. How is that different to studying the teachings of a religous text and researching how that religion has interacted with society? I think communism is unsound for a number of different reasons but there are many who disagree with me, who is ''right'' The answer is neither and the choice you make is one of faith as you cannot know what is the correct method of governance you can only believe you know.
I am absolutely not playing devil's advocate Esin and this debate is entirely to do with the op. In answer to your original question I said that people choose their faith no differently to how we choose ideologies.
I am disappointed that people involved in this scene who are a minority who ought to understand the necessity to be open minded are the opposite. I am very interested in what you have to say and appreciate your desire to continue. The trolls have got the best of us. I will gladly discuss this in private if anyone is inclined. I will even meet with anyone local.
On a final note Starbuck09 you are wrong - just kidding. ;p
Thanks,
Esinn
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