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RE: Morphing too much - 6/26/2009 8:20:10 PM   
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  Tell me that there is not a fine, FINE line between guiding, enhancing, ruling, complementing, building someone and what amounts to changing someone. 

We can all benefit from positive modifications and I could list many ways that both R. and S. have helped me be a better person.  But they did not set out to change me. I see that as a by-product of our respective relationships.  Because I am submissive to them I listen with care and I give serious thought to their words much more than I do in general. It just wouldn’t make sense to me---or to either of them---if on one hand they liked me enough to desire my submission and on the other hand wanted to alter who I am and what I have to offer them.
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submissive profiles.  See how many state that they want someone to guide them, to own them, to make them theirs...and yet note how many of them also state that they will put up a fight.  Now see how many state that they want a dominant to guide them, enhance them, rule them. complement them, build them up but NOT change them.  (snipped)   I've been accused of trying to change someone.  It is a hard thing to deal with because no matter how you show some people that you are doing what they asked for and that it is their own bucking that is creating a problem, the pervasive feeling is that you are wrong.  Now add in that same person telling you, conversely, that if you just "knew" how to handle this better, it would all be right. 

Since these profiles are inconsistent do you think the writers have considered the implications of what they are asking?  I think many of them are probably repeating buzz words and using ideas that are pretty fantasies without a clue how it all will happen in reality.  I agree it is ludicrous to want change without change!  But I would again wonder if they knew what they really wanted in the first place.


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RE: Morphing too much - 6/29/2009 2:27:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ChasingOblivion

My problem is that I rarely know how much is too much, or at least how much others would perceive as too much.


This is my point...Your spirit does not care what others think. If you are being authentic and true to yourself, you (or more precisely, your ego) shouldn't care either.

But, of course, you can take this as you wish. I realize that I have used "should" and I fully believe it is a "should" not a "could" or a "might" or a "maybe". Your opinion might differ though...and that makes a huge difference.

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RE: Morphing too much - 6/29/2009 3:17:19 PM   
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A bit of a late comment on this thread, but hopefully still of interest to the OP...

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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

... I had to end it because it wasn't healthy for me and as such I did not like the person I was becoming.


This particular thought brought to mind a thread I started a couple of years ago, "Reflecting Him".  In my original post, I touched on this issue specifically, though from a positive position...

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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

... I am a very adaptable person.  I am just as comfortable wearing blue jeans and wielding a hammer to build a house as I am in wearing a cocktail dress and wielding a glass of wine to build business relationships.  I enjoy a great variety of things in life and a great variety of situations.  I don't say this to make myself out to be unique... I believe most people are just as adaptable.

This adaptability extends also to the type of person I am with, but it also seems to go a bit deeper.  When it comes to a prospective partner, it is more than simply enjoying his company... I personally change to more closely match the kind of person he is.  This change is not an affectation consciously adopted with the idea of making myself more attractive to him, but his presence naturally brings out in me different aspects of my personality that are complimentary to his own.

Years ago there was a Star Trek: The Next Generation episode by the name of The Perfect Mate.  In it, there was a woman who had from birth been groomed to be a political gift to a leader of another world.  Her uniqueness was that she had the empathic ability to flawlessly and permanently change to become the perfect mate to whatever man she finally "imprinted" on... an ability that was referred to as her being a metamorph.

In that episode she made the following comments:
I wish I could convey to you what it's like to be a metamorph... to feel the inner strength of someone... to realize that being with him is opening your mind and heart to endless new possibilities... to hear yourself say: I like myself when I am with him.
This sentiment resonates deeply within me.  It describes the feelings behind the desire I mention above... the desire to be in the presence of someone who embodies the essence of all that you hold dear in humanity.

While I am adroit in my ability to adapt to and enjoy many different situations and personalities, there are of course my own personal preferences.  In my search for a dominant, I looked for those traits that most appealed to me because, in the end, I wanted to say, "I like myself when I am with him."


Because of this, I can equally understand the desire to stay away from people who cause a negative change.  I suppose for me, I just see this as a matter of finding someone compatible.

From a comment made in that thread, I'll share a quote I found very beautiful:

"There are two ways of spreading light: to be the candle or the mirror that reflects it. " Edith Wharton


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RE: Morphing too much - 6/29/2009 3:28:50 PM   
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I don't care what others think as a rule, but in previous relationships I have been accused of changing too much. The point I was trying to make is that I didn't see it that way and I was surprised that significant others did. In that sense I really don't understand how much was too much. I wasn't going out of my way to change, I was just being me.

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RE: Morphing too much - 6/29/2009 3:34:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pyroaquatic

...This reminds me of the Borg from Star Trek. They assimilate, move on, assimilate..... so on and so forth. I am very sure few people don't know what I am speaking of...
That sounds kind of like me, actually. I like getting to know all about somebody and get into their world, but I also seem to be, for lack of a better term, a "serial monogamist". Maybe it does have something to do with that sense of "disappearing" that the OP mentions.
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I tend to believe that every person is the sum of everyone else they have met in their lifetime, and then something extra because the whole tends to be greater than the parts involved.
They say you can learn something from anybody and everybody, so sure, why not? I like your belief.
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I often wonder if there is a certain point in which we stop melding and morphing, shifting and changing into other people and as we begin to decline in our mortality we morph into our true selves, and then we morph into......
'Zactly!

I think we're always our true selves for that time period, tho.
We just try and make a coherent whole out of a jumble of information and experiences to which we are always adding.

So maybe the "... as we begin to decline in our mortality..." phase is just the finished product. ~Or maybe it's just another phase, no more or less valid than any of its predecessors.

As far as the original question goes, I think it is tough.

I mean; you're not going to find one relationship in which you can realize and express every aspect of your personality, are you? ... especially, perhaps, you freaks (meant in a good way) out there...

I don't think, personally, that it's realistic for me to hold out for a partner who embodies all the ideal qualities I could want... On the other hand, it occasionally does happen that I do meet someone who fascinates me and who I want to know more about, even though it will mean leaving some parts of myself unrealized or unexpressed for the duration.

Still, new experiences and new learning will occur, so there is some trade off there.

But then there may come that time when you feel that you've given up certain parts of yourself that you like for too long.


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