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RE: British and American Communication - 2/21/2006 6:29:43 AM

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Thank you my friend, that of course would be my preference..

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RE: British and American Communication - 2/21/2006 8:01:08 AM

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I'd have to agree with this in all aspects bar one..... I'm a staunch Royalist and the Day Australia becomes a republic is the day I start looking to move my famiuly to another country and turn my back on Australia for ever. My first loyalty is to the Court of St. James. But that's a personal thing and how I was brought up.

Move to the UK IB, always room for one more person that I would enjoy a beer or three with whilst putting the world to rights

You're welcome to Bear my dear? Though, if you take him, you've got to take Lady Neets and their lovely dog Sasha, and Morgan (the other four legged mistress of our house) and I shall have to go find ourselves somewhere new to live ;)

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RE: British and American Communication - 2/21/2006 8:29:58 AM

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You're welcome to Bear my dear? Though, if you take him, you've got to take Lady Neets and their lovely dog Sasha, and Morgan (the other four legged mistress of our house) and I shall have to go find ourselves somewhere new to live ;)

I'm sure your all fine folks, however it is only IB that I have 'gotten to know' so far well enough to be sure that I'd enjoy his company at the bar. I'm sure he could fit you into his suitcase if you asked nicely though.

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RE: British and American Communication - 2/21/2006 8:43:28 AM

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*laughs* Thanks for the invitation but I'll pass. Two of my seven brothers are in London, so, if I ever feel the urge to go visit them again, I've already got a legitimate place to crash.

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RE: British and American Communication - 2/21/2006 9:19:26 AM

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My very favorite encounter with a British person was the time I was on the telephone with Kenneth Colley (a British actor who played an Imperial admiral in two of the Star wars films). I was to interview him for the Lucas publication "Bantha Tracks" and so telephoned him (California to London!) to request the interview.

He responded with pleasure that he would be in the states for the filming of a television mini-series he'd been hired to dd. He told Me that he would be in contact as soon as he'd gotten settled, and he used a common British term. Thinking quickly, I replied with an Americanism meaning 'please telephone Me before you do.' Here is the exchange. You can see why we both laughed afterward (we both had gotten each other's meaning and the double entendre as well).

"So, you'll be in California next week?"
"Yes. The moment I'm able to, I shall knock you up!"
"Well, you'd better give Me a ring before you do!"

We both paused, and then exploded in laughter and the interview was cinched! He was a delight to talk to and we corresponded for many years afterward.

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RE: British and American Communication - 2/21/2006 3:58:39 PM

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"Yes. The moment I'm able to, I shall knock you up!"
"Well, you'd better give Me a ring before you do!"

LOL, that reminds me of the time i was staying with a family during a tennis tournament in England and their son asked me if i wanted to go out in the back yard for a knock. Of course he meant knock around some tennis balls, but i was hoping for the other.

My first real life Dom was British with a very strong Cockney accent. I had a terrible time understanding him especially early in our relationship and sometimes i wasn't sure what i was agreeing to do. He also had trouble with some of my slang.

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RE: British and American Communication - 2/21/2006 4:13:35 PM

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"So, you'll be in California next week?"
"Yes. The moment I'm able to, I shall knock you up!"
"Well, you'd better give Me a ring before you do!"

That's beautiful.

And you got to meet Admiral Piett!

/such a nerd

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RE: British and American Communication - 2/24/2006 6:38:24 PM

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Thanks to those of you who managed to share the amused/bemused tone that Sardax appeared to intend in this thread and refrain from the simplistic stereotyping some others seemed to feel necessary to throw into the mix. Down here in the Southern US, we call that "showing your ass." It ain't nice, it ain't pretty and you're more likely to get it kicked than kissed, bah gawd.

It's better to celebrate our differences, rather than point to unkind, unflattering stereotypes. I, for one, take exception to the common belief that Americans, as a whole, are not as clever, kind, generous, decent, honest, or cosmopolitan as the rest of the world. Yes, there are rubes (translation: country bumpkins, yahoos, goobers) whose foolishness embarasses the more conscientious of us. But, sweeping negative generalizations are so patently stupid and wrongheaded, they get my hackles and fists up. Those who speak in such terms are the ones who are crass boors...and your feces do, indeed, produce a malodorous air.

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RE: British and American Communication - 2/24/2006 8:24:03 PM

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i think there is a huge difference between communication styles of people from different english speaking countries.

I Find Americans more expresssive, a thing which i really enjoy. I think a lot of the time Americans are seen as loud mouths or overbearing in their communication style just because of their incredible ability to communicate. It *would* seem this way to other people whose communications were less expressive. For example. Ask an aussie about the weather..they will say "Its hot" ask an american and they will give you the temperature, the humidity level and about 100 other details (ok i exaggerate a little).

I really love the aussie and brittish sense of humor, its dry, somewhat twisted and good, something i think gets misunderstood a bit by others. Ive seen brits get banned from rooms for being rude, when i didnt find anything they said offensive at all.

I think aussies are great to talk about sexuality with, they dont seem to have moral barriers up that prevent them from just being really open in this regard.

My background: I consider myself a mixed bag when it comes to heritage. Although born in Australia, I have spent half of my adult life living in other countries, its given me an appreciation of the differences between peoples communications.

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RE: British and American Communication - 2/24/2006 9:25:55 PM

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not in response exactly to the lady this lands on, but I think the southern contingent percieves the whole thread as.......

TACKY!!!!!!!!!

LOL,
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RE: British and American Communication - 2/25/2006 8:34:10 AM

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They need to check out some of the shows from England then, i think the British humor is great and watch whenever i get the chance.

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A lot of people believe that the British have no sense of humor...but they simply have a different sense of humor.

My favorite story took place on the London Underground some years ago. My mother and I were sitting near a couple of city types in suits and wearing (I kid you not) bowler hats. The lights went out briefly and the train stopped, and a woman in the car moaned rather loudly, and one of them said to the other, "Pain or pleasure?" And everyone in the car burst out laughing.

There are always going to be cultural differences, although if you want real fun, come work where I do. Most of us are Americans, but it's a German-owned company, so we've got two Germans, an Austrian, a Brit, and a Dutchman (who is never to be found, and thus I have caused him to be known as the Flying Dutchman).

German's are also believed to not have a sense of humor, something they themselves encourage people to believe in. They do.

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RE: British and American Communication - 2/25/2006 8:39:35 AM

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My personal favorite was when my sisters co-worker told her he "was going to drive up to Canada that night and knock up his sister in the morning when he got there"

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The one that amused me as a kid as still makes me smile is the American habit of falling on their fannys! Even the men, which for a brit is anatomicaly impossible

British fanny = vagina
American Fanny = arse

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RE: British and American Communication - 2/25/2006 7:51:38 PM

Isara

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ORIGINAL: QueenRah

Thanks to those of you who managed to share the amused/bemused tone that Sardax appeared to intend in this thread and refrain from the simplistic stereotyping some others seemed to feel necessary to throw into the mix. Down here in the Southern US, we call that "showing your ass." It ain't nice, it ain't pretty and you're more likely to get it kicked than kissed, bah gawd.

It's better to celebrate our differences, rather than point to unkind, unflattering stereotypes. I, for one, take exception to the common belief that Americans, as a whole, are not as clever, kind, generous, decent, honest, or cosmopolitan as the rest of the world. Yes, there are rubes (translation: country bumpkins, yahoos, goobers) whose foolishness embarasses the more conscientious of us. But, sweeping negative generalizations are so patently stupid and wrongheaded, they get my hackles and fists up. Those who speak in such terms are the ones who are crass boors...and your feces do, indeed, produce a malodorous air.

While I do agree with you on not perpetrating negative stereotypes, I don't think that the tone of this thread was malicious. These analyses that you find objectionable come from people who -aren't- American. And, we're often confronted with usually

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clever, kind, generous, decent, honest, or cosmopolitan

people who mistake America's dominance in the world market as being superiority.

I have a lot of American friends. Whom I adore. But they've acknowledged, after living in Australia that many American's are patriotic to the point of being arrogant. That is to say, I'm not criticising your culture, or the way it turns out. I'm merely making an observation.

The American media doesn't help this 'superiority' complex many have. Fox and CNN among others are somewhat laughable as news broadcasters around Aus. The "world news" that's shown in the US; and here via pay TV, isn't helping to promote understanding among your people. It's not helping to educate anyone in the affairs of the world either.

The BBC, and stations like the ABC(Australian Broadcasting Company) have a more global newscast showing stories from all around the world, which, I'm glad for. It allows us a more balanced view of the news. Good and bad, without the political agenda of whoever is in power.

Don't mistake this as an attack. I've lived in San Jose for a time. And in Seattle, I adored both places and would love to go back. But--what irks a lot of us is the commonly portrayed misconception that America is the centre of the universe, and this thread, and the comparisons between British (and by extension the 'colonies'*winks*) and the US has been a great one to read. It wasn't malicious. Wasn't intended as such, and, I'm sorry you couldn't see the humour in the stories that people were contributing.

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RE: British and American Communication - 2/27/2006 12:32:24 PM

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<snip> I'm sorry you couldn't see the humour in the stories that people were contributing.

If you will kindly re-read my reply, you may not overlook my first statement, "Thanks to those of you who managed to share the amused/bemused tone that Sardax appeared to intend in this thread..."

I appreciate that you tried to smoothe things over. But, it really wasn't necessary. Ta.

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...what irks a lot of us is the commonly portrayed misconception that America is the centre of the universe

Oh, I'm so sorry dear. That's no misconception. The truth just rankles, don't it? (That is a joke!)

RAH

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RE: British and American Communication - 2/27/2006 9:27:24 PM

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But--what irks a lot of us is the commonly portrayed misconception that America is the centre of the universe, and this thread, and the comparisons between British (and by extension the 'colonies'*winks*) and the US has been a great one to read.

Well, for what it's worth:

When the subject of cultural differences comes up there's always a danger someone will get offended. Maybe someone is too sensitive about what they hear about their own group or too insensitive in what they say about another group.

The same goes for talk about ethnic/racial differences, religious and political differences. Best to step lightly, to be careful about humor, to couch the negative between big positives -- that is, if you care not to offend. There's a reason we call the art of dealing with other nations "diplomacy." I guess most of us know that.

There's another dynamic in talking between Americans and others about national differences. Because America is big, rich and powerful and has been for some time, some Americans can be boorish about it. (For those who can't admit America can sometimes be wrong, blame it on pride.) But some non-Americans can be equally boorish about it. (I blame it on envy.) If you haven't heard plenty of stupid things said by Americans about other countries, and heard assinine things said about Americans by non-Americans, then damn, you just haven't been listening. (I'm not talking about this thread, I'm talking about everything else we hear around us in conversations or on TV and radio, movies or in print -- believe me, it's out there, and it's usually disguised as politics.)

As for cultural differences:
My cousin, a fellow American, met a Brit in college, fell in love with him, married him and brought him over here to live in America. He got cancer. In the beginning, it was touch and go, it spread and medical science just didn't know a whole lot about the particular form of cancer he had. The guy wasn't so much stoic as seemingly dismissive of it. You didn't have the idea he was enduring it so much as making light of it and ignoring it. A very close relative of my cousin tried to talk to his parents about it, to commisserate, etc. Of course, they would have none of it. They too seemed to ignore how awesomely horrible it was. Very British. My relative's reaction, and her shock at their seeming nonchalant attitude -- I think it's very American.

Don't try to tell me that one reaction is better than the other. Either could be better in some circumstances, and in most circumstances it probably doesn't matter. The important things are deeper than culture.

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RE: British and American Communication - 2/27/2006 10:32:42 PM

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The guy wasn't so much stoic as seemingly dismissive of it. You didn't have the idea he was enduring it so much as making light of it and ignoring it. A very close relative of my cousin tried to talk to his parents about it, to commisserate, etc. Of course, they would have none of it. They too seemed to ignore how awesomely horrible it was. Very British.

Definatly a cultural thing as I look at how you describe his attitude and thought "How else would you deal with it. It is there, tough shit life goes on till it doesn't". I guess, if my own attitude is any indication of the cultural bias, we don't see it as "awesomly horrible" but rather as tough luck, you learn to cope and life goes on. Whilst your here you may as well enjoy it rather than spend your time weeping and wailing about how horrible it is!

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RE: British and American Communication - 2/28/2006 4:00:33 PM

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Whilst your here you may as well enjoy it rather than spend your time weeping and wailing about how horrible it is!

Well, yes, but there are other options. Talking about it would not necessarily mean weeping and wailing. Another cousin of mine just died from cancer that way, and she took it courageously, but talked a lot about it too, and I'm sure that was helpful both to her and those around her. I'd describe that as also courageous, but perhaps un-British.

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RE: British and American Communication - 2/28/2006 6:31:31 PM

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A short story which just happens to be true from ‘Nam.. I was loosely attached to a US Para unit when they arrived in ‘Nam with another Aussie who was a Sgt SAS. First “Mission” was a training mission according to the original briefing, in which we would jump with the DZ being a disused air strip left over by the French. Anyway to cut a long story short, The SAS Sgt and I were first to jump armed only with basic weapons. We landed and sat in the centre of the DZ brewing up a cup of tea and watching how the jump and deployment went…. Later I found we were referred to as Crazy Aussies. The reason I found was that we were not informed of a second briefing in which it was disclosed that rather than being a “safe” DZ it was controlled my North Vietnamese Rangers….. Things were hairy for a while and a few clusterfuck green officers learned about their ancestry in no uncertain Anglosaxon/Aussie terms…. Generally outside slang, I never had an issue with any of the guys I served with .. We got used to each other’s culture and terminology.. I’m sure that a few of the guys here inc. JW would have a few entertaining stories about US and Aussie service men together.

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RE: British and American Communication - 2/28/2006 10:21:48 PM

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A short story which just happens to be true from ‘Nam.. I was loosely attached to a US Para unit when they arrived in ‘Nam with another Aussie who was a Sgt SAS. First “Mission” was a training mission according to the original briefing, in which we would jump with the DZ being a disused air strip left over by the French. Anyway to cut a long story short, The SAS Sgt and I were first to jump armed only with basic weapons. We landed and sat in the centre of the DZ brewing up a cup of tea and watching how the jump and deployment went…. Later I found we were referred to as Crazy Aussies. The reason I found was that we were not informed of a second briefing in which it was disclosed that rather than being a “safe” DZ it was controlled my North Vietnamese Rangers….. Things were hairy for a while and a few clusterfuck green officers learned about their ancestry in no uncertain Anglosaxon/Aussie terms…. Generally outside slang, I never had an issue with any of the guys I served with .. We got used to each other’s culture and terminology.. I’m sure that a few of the guys here inc. JW would have a few entertaining stories about US and Aussie service men together.

One important thing I learned early was while "intelligence" may think this or that, the one thing they know is that when the kimchi gets deep, they are going to be back in an office somewhere.

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RE: British and American Communication - 2/28/2006 10:28:21 PM

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A short story which just happens to be true from ‘Nam.. I was loosely attached to a US Para unit when they arrived in ‘Nam with another Aussie who was a Sgt SAS. First “Mission” was a training mission according to the original briefing, in which we would jump with the DZ being a disused air strip left over by the French. Anyway to cut a long story short, The SAS Sgt and I were first to jump armed only with basic weapons. We landed and sat in the centre of the DZ brewing up a cup of tea and watching how the jump and deployment went…. Later I found we were referred to as Crazy Aussies. The reason I found was that we were not informed of a second briefing in which it was disclosed that rather than being a “safe” DZ it was controlled my North Vietnamese Rangers….. Things were hairy for a while and a few clusterfuck green officers learned about their ancestry in no uncertain Anglosaxon/Aussie terms…. Generally outside slang, I never had an issue with any of the guys I served with .. We got used to each other’s culture and terminology.. I’m sure that a few of the guys here inc. JW would have a few entertaining stories about US and Aussie service men together.

One important thing I learned early was while "intelligence" may think this or that, the one thing they know is that when the kimchi gets deep, they are going to be back in an office somewhere.

This is why they are referred to as intelligence.......

I have savaged my memories and can think of absolutely no coup in knowledge that has given us as individuals or Americans any ounce of leverage or insight....

But.......my feeling notwithstanding.........they can be construed as intelligent for some of the reasons cited above...

I will leave it as an exercise to the reader.

Ron

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