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wankerforuse -> Looking at bdsm material on the pc what with some many new laws here in the uk is it legal (6/29/2009 7:04:11 AM)

To look at bdsm material,photos or videos on the computer via the internet.Is it legal or am i braking the law by looking at the above mentioned material do i face arrest and possibly going to jail for continuing to look at stuff that i am hooked on.and not only that but by living on my own,surely i can't be hurting anyone.And it is my only way to sexually releive myself.I can't see that im really doing any harm at all really,but if anyone can please kindly let me know what is legal and what is'nt over here in the uk i really would appreciate it very much indeed.Thanks to everyone who replies to this post my very best wishes to you all from Paul.



DarkSteven -> RE: Looking at bdsm material on the pc what with some many new laws here in the uk is it legal (6/29/2009 7:07:30 AM)

Please.  Tell me that you're not serious.

If you're watching kiddie porn, then you're in deep trouble.

If you're watching anything else, you're okay.



RCdc -> RE: Looking at bdsm material on the pc what with some many new laws here in the uk is it legal (6/29/2009 7:24:17 AM)

That's not true Steven, not in the UK at least - you are in the states and the OP is being specific.
Basically, just be aware that if you end up arrested or under suspicion of anything illegal, then anything on your hard drive that you have kept may be used against you.  The pornography laws are pretty new here so if you want to err on the side of caution - don't own any!
 
OP - it will all depend on the way the case is held and who holds it at the end of the day.
 
the.dark.



sappatoti -> RE: Looking at bdsm material on the pc what with some many new laws here in the uk is it legal (6/29/2009 7:34:32 AM)

There are a couple of jurisdictions here in Florida where viewing anything deemed "objectionable" (as determined by local morals, customs, or ordinances) may lead to arresting the viewer of such material. As these things go, what the locals consider to be "objectionable" changes over time so one, if they truly wish to remain legal in the pursuits of their viewing, needs to keep up with the latest laws.

I haven't checked within the past five years but the part of the Federal court district, based out of Jacksonville, FL, that was within Florida's state lines was one such area where viewing anything "objectionable" (such as common soft-porn or BDSM-related) could be grounds for an arrest. What made this odd was the number of strip clubs within those same borders could stay open for "live" viewing (not touching) but any such material coming into your home via cable/telephone lines was forbidden.

Like I said, the last time I checked on that was over five years ago and things may have changed. But, if the OP is really concerned, a check of the local laws of the OP's area needs to be done.



RCdc -> RE: Looking at bdsm material on the pc what with some many new laws here in the uk is it legal (6/29/2009 7:38:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sappatoti
Like I said, the last time I checked on that was over five years ago and things may have changed. But, if the OP is really concerned, a check of the local laws of the OP's area needs to be done.


The issue is that the 'new' law that came into effect in the UK are so vague, that people are confused on the whole matter.  In a sense, it's basically going to come down to who hears your case and how the law came across it in the first place.
 
the.dark.



angelikaJ -> RE: Looking at bdsm material on the pc what with some many new laws here in the uk is it legal (6/29/2009 7:48:29 AM)

Here was a thread that discussed it:
http://www.collarchat.com/m_2305808/mpage_1/key_New%252Claw/tm.htm#2376476



Mercnbeth -> RE: Looking at bdsm material on the pc what with some many new laws here in the uk is it legal (6/29/2009 8:06:20 AM)

We were very surprised to see first hand the repressive and conservative laws in effect in Europe, especially in the UK. Amsterdam had a 'red-light' district that although sold 'sex', had no leather or S&M shops. We were told that type of thing just generated too much scrutiny. It seemed that those responsible for the laws felt that the government was the sole source of what people could see and do. As a result everyone we met who was active in the lifestyle had a consensus opinion that the 'lifestyle' was going back 'underground'. A shame for all of us, but few deem it a battle worthy to fight. Just look at the acceptance of 'one true way' of PC censorship applied here.


It's interesting to see a very conservative, 'catholic', attitude prevail where an attempt to police peoples thoughts seems to be the goal once insuring access to what can be seen is restricted to only politically correct 'porn'. Our friends said that 'Benny Hill', or even 'Monty Python' would have difficulty getting aired under the current climate of censorship.

Take advantage of your current access. Join us at Folsom this September! Enjoy it while you can - if you can; before the 'liberals' put those same conservative laws in place here. After all - they know best! 'Liberal' politics have done more to repress liberty, choice, and freedom than the most conservative of movements. How much you can make, what you drive, what you can do to your own body, what you can say, or what you have access to see - ALL 'liberal' agendas.

Those in the US are viewing the pragmatic result of the current trend in US politics.



rulemylife -> RE: Looking at bdsm material on the pc what with some many new laws here in the uk is it legal (6/29/2009 8:46:34 AM)

I see you're applying your special version of reality to Europe as well.

You just have to hate those damn liberals, repressing everything and everyone. 

I even heard there was a group here in the U.S. called the Liberal Moral Majority who have a very narrow view of acceptable sexuality.  Damn those liberals.

By the way, if you haven't been able to find BDSM in Amsterdam you've been looking in the wrong places.

There are several dommes there who advertise on this site alone.

Amsterdam.info - Amsterdam sex shops



DCWoody -> RE: Looking at bdsm material on the pc what with some many new laws here in the uk is it legal (6/29/2009 8:58:05 AM)

The only sorts of 'pornography' that are illegal in the UK would be (real) snuff/rape/torture, child porn, bestiality & in theory IR porn which actively appeared to promote the superiority of a particular 'race' or inferiority of another. In reality I would think it incredibly unlikely for anyone to actually be taken to court for the latter two, I don't know of anyone ever being prosecuted for watching/owning bestiality and certainly not for that black worship kinda stuff.
tl;dr - All porn is legal as far as realistic danger of prosecution is concerned, except kiddie porn.



RCdc -> RE: Looking at bdsm material on the pc what with some many new laws here in the uk is it legal (6/29/2009 9:33:09 AM)

Have you been to the Amstersdam red light district?
 
the.dark.



Mercnbeth -> RE: Looking at bdsm material on the pc what with some many new laws here in the uk is it legal (6/29/2009 9:49:06 AM)

Never amazing anymore how first hand experience is discounted. It need to be in order to continue the faith based religion of 'liberal' I guess.

People living there - lie?
People who've been there - lie?
The fact that many of the clubs who allowed free expression of sexuality closed - a factor of economics?
A store owner who we chatted with and who said they had to remove her 'provocative' leather goods and only take 'special orders' a matter of taste?
An Amsterdam local who used to frequent clubs - now afraid to congregate in any location where BDSM is practiced in fear of a police raid.
A major London group holding a 'Fair' and after Fair 'play party' whose rules included no nudity, no whips, and absolutely NO sex.

But I guess everyone we met and talked to gave us a conservative slant and agenda to what they were experiencing so that we would convey erroneously how much government was involved in their daily life. The reality is they've never been so 'free' under the initiation of the liberal agenda?

BTW - It's difficult to get prosecuted when availability and access is removed. CHOICE has been eliminated; whether it's about enjoying a smoke at a bar, a woman's breast on TV, or buying a single tail at a 'sex shop'. To me ANY eliminated choice is a bad thing even if, like smoking, I don't take that choice.

I guess it takes a liberal mindset to see the 'good intent' and 'for the children' rationalization. Very happy, and for my sanity, grateful that I don't have to think that way. You see, I agree in the vileness of the 'Moral Majority'; however I hate it regardless of which Fascists are trying to impose their agenda on me - conservative or liberal. You seem to like hating words and labels. Me - I hate the pragmatic results; regardless of the perpetrators political label.

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There are several dommes there who advertise on this site alone.

Amsterdam.info - Amsterdam sex shops


Yeah - and there's a 'Pink Pussycat' in Greenwich Village, and about 100 similar venues in Vegas that also advertise as a 'sex shop'. Here's a clue - Fuzzy pink covered handcuffs aren't really used in the real world.

You need to get out more.




KaineD -> RE: Looking at bdsm material on the pc what with some many new laws here in the uk is it legal (6/29/2009 9:58:42 AM)

I don't see these laws being put in place by liberals, Mercnbeth.

These new UK laws seemed to originate back a few years ago when a man went and murdered a girl, was found to be in possession of a lot of extreme porn, and the girl's mother crusaded for tougher pornography laws in the UK.

It isn't a liberal vs conservative issue. Take that simple minded divisive view elsewhere. It's not helpful in discussion of this topic.



RCdc -> RE: Looking at bdsm material on the pc what with some many new laws here in the uk is it legal (6/29/2009 10:17:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KaineD
It isn't a liberal vs conservative issue. Take that simple minded divisive view elsewhere. It's not helpful in discussion of this topic.


A few years ago - it was still the same 'liberal' government listening to this and putting it into action.
Ya really think that the conservatives would have brought something like this in?  And put themselves all at risk? [sm=confused.gif]
I have one thing to say....[sm=biggrin.gif]
 
the.dark.



Mercnbeth -> RE: Looking at bdsm material on the pc what with some many new laws here in the uk is it legal (6/29/2009 10:20:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: KaineD

I don't see these laws being put in place by liberals, Mercnbeth.

These new UK laws seemed to originate back a few years ago when a man went and murdered a girl, was found to be in possession of a lot of extreme porn, and the girl's mother crusaded for tougher pornography laws in the UK.

It isn't a liberal vs conservative issue. Take that simple minded divisive view elsewhere. It's not helpful in discussion of this topic.


Yes - I imagine you only want and see your your 'one true way' as open minded and inclusive. Appreciate you confirming perspective.

You seem to be more worried regarding the accusation of liberals being responsible for the laws versus the law itself. Another common denominator for the liberal camp. Murder and killing is bad, unless its under this administration and a 15 year old is shot in the head by a navy sniper.

One "mom" is to blame huh? WOW! "...think of the children"; must really be a great tool to restrict freedom in the UK to have influenced the lawmakers to the point of eliminating access to any representation of what beth and I do on a practically daily basis. Of course you must think us 'criminal' lucky to have gotten out of the UK. Good thing when we left Heathrow they didn't have a ass inspection of beth's ass to ascertain if it had any marks. Is that type of daily inspection of citizens and visitors soon up for consideration in Parliament? Foolish? I bet they would have said the same thing about the idea of eliminating smoking from the Pubs about 20 years ago. I know - smoking is not good for you! However, the day where you can't be held responsible for your own ass is not too far fetched when you already can't be trusted with your own lungs, and soon what you put into your mouth.

Go ahead - rationalize your need for someone else to tell you what to do with your body. I'll pass.



KaineD -> RE: Looking at bdsm material on the pc what with some many new laws here in the uk is it legal (6/29/2009 11:51:47 AM)

What on earth are you talking about?

I don't think anything in that post of yours relates to this topic, or my opinions, or anything else really. It seems that your irrational hatred of the liberal idealology is making you so illogical that you feel the need to put words in my mouth, and derail the thread.



Mercnbeth -> RE: Looking at bdsm material on the pc what with some many new laws here in the uk is it legal (6/29/2009 12:15:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: KaineD

What on earth are you talking about?

I don't think anything in that post of yours relates to this topic, or my opinions, or anything else really. It seems that your irrational hatred of the liberal idealology is making you so illogical that you feel the need to put words in my mouth, and derail the thread.


Let's see - me talking about first hand experience relative to the OP's problem and concern about the 'legality' of his perusal of 'porn'; relating it to my recent experiences and conversation with people who live there.

You - attacking me. Not responding to anything - but just not wanting to hear my perspective.

Who's derailing the thread?

The OP is afraid of going to jail. I'd say, based upon the experiences I've documented, he should be. I also think he should be more concerned about access; so should you.

I have no hatred of what you call "liberal ideology". I hate the ignorance of those whose reaction to having their freedoms and liberties curtailed is contingent upon any kind of "ideology" affiliation.



KaineD -> RE: Looking at bdsm material on the pc what with some many new laws here in the uk is it legal (6/29/2009 12:29:41 PM)

From the looks of things, your post above is in response to me, and is attacking opinions that I never stated.

If that wasn't your intention that's fine. But you should be more careful.

If you're going to quote me, and say things like "Go ahead - rationalize your need for someone else to tell you what to do with your body." then you shouldn't be surprised if I'm not going to take a comment like that lightly.



susie -> RE: Looking at bdsm material on the pc what with some many new laws here in the uk is it legal (6/29/2009 12:38:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Never amazing anymore how first hand experience is discounted. It need to be in order to continue the faith based religion of 'liberal' I guess.



What first hand experience? Yours from your short visit to the UK or someone like mine who has lived here all my life. Yes there are sex shops in most of the cities. I could take you to mine in Birmingham that is in the main shopping area and has open displays of items in the store window. Or we could go to the latex store that has manequins dressed in latex including masks etc in the window. Just my first hand experience.



pahunkboy -> RE: Looking at bdsm material on the pc what with some many new laws here in the uk is it legal (6/29/2009 12:55:07 PM)

Be careful tho about asking is something is "legal".


As we go on- we are morphing into a society of Napoleonic law.  where it must specifically say an item is legal for it to be so.    so EVERYTHING under such rule is illegal unless it is spelled out to be legal.   The effects of such rule -- enough to spin the head.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cmrBF-haB8   ---abit about law



Mercnbeth -> RE: Looking at bdsm material on the pc what with some many new laws here in the uk is it legal (6/29/2009 1:07:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KaineD
If you're going to quote me, and say things like "Go ahead - rationalize your need for someone else to tell you what to do with your body." then you shouldn't be surprised if I'm not going to take a comment like that lightly.
I'll ask you directly - do you support the pragmatic result of closing BDSM clubs and limiting access as a consequence of the current law on the books in the UK? Whether it was the intend or not - it is the result.

Which leads to the ultimate question I asked and you still have not answered; why do you find it appropriate for a government, any government liberal or conservative, to make laws that restrict access to what you want to do with your own body? The decision and the personal consequence of that decision, should be excluded from government intervention.

quote:

ORIGINAL: susie

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Never amazing anymore how first hand experience is discounted. It need to be in order to continue the faith based religion of 'liberal' I guess.



What first hand experience? Yours from your short visit to the UK or someone like mine who has lived here all my life. Yes there are sex shops in most of the cities. I could take you to mine in Birmingham that is in the main shopping area and has open displays of items in the store window. Or we could go to the latex store that has manequins dressed in latex including masks etc in the window. Just my first hand experience.


Read my comments closer; I spoke of specifics and access options being eliminated. I would love to hear your references, points, and examples to the contrary. I know the people I was with, one a former BDSM club proprietor, would be happy to learn of some corner of the UK where she wouldn't face arrest under the current political environment. Personally, I would love for you to provide factual reference providing that the current policies in the UK have made access to BDSM 'porn' and/or equipment easier to access and more open for purchase.

There are 'sex shops' in every city, but buying a latex mask is about as 'exotic' as buying ice cube trays that mold water into penis forms. Or have they also been outlawed or come with a disclaimer "for entertain purposes only"?

Please enlighten me how the OP's concern is only propaganda. And please for our next trip, provide locations relative to your first hand experience with BDSM clubs, especially those permitting nudity, or better yet sex. How about a few leather stores that have single tails displayed for sale.

They sell latex masks here at costume shops, leather harnesses and belts at 'Goth' stores. For those that don't practice the 'Stand & Model' version of S&M, there was nothing to buy. I never expected to come back from Amsterdam and London unable to find a 'toy'. My surprise was learning that the proprietors of the shops were afraid to offer it for sale.



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