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Joseff -> RE: Dress for success (6/29/2009 8:58:09 PM)

My problem always seems to be that I don't have a decent photo of myself. When we are taking pictures, I'm usually the one with the camera. So I get to choose, will it be that one from last Xmas, where I'm holding up the new socks, or maybe the one from the SCA, but I have my helmet on....OK, so I settled on one a couple years old, where I had my mustache shaved offf, but I'm not here looking for someone.  If I was, I'd make the effort to get at least one decent photo of myself. You have to put your best foot foreward, as it were.





nevergrowdup -> RE: Dress for success (6/29/2009 9:01:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

Clothes do make a difference; though I tend to go the opposite direction from most. I would turn away a man in a suit, or 'dressed up' in any way. Give me jeans, tshirts, baseball/cowboy hats, and boots and I am a happy camper. What's more...throw in a harley, and some leather and I am sold. [8D]


Laughs.  Is there no happy median?  I agree with you ... if the first picture I saw was of a man in a suit or tux, I would he was trying too hard to impress me ... and that would be almost as much as turnoff as a guy in grunge.

I know biker guys have a lot of appeal to many here.  Not so much to me.




nevergrowdup -> RE: Dress for success (6/29/2009 9:07:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Joseff

My problem always seems to be that I don't have a decent photo of myself. When we are taking pictures, I'm usually the one with the camera. So I get to choose, will it be that one from last Xmas, where I'm holding up the new socks, or maybe the one from the SCA, but I have my helmet on....OK, so I settled on one a couple years old, where I had my mustache shaved offf, but I'm not here looking for someone.  If I was, I'd make the effort to get at least one decent photo of myself. You have to put your best foot foreward, as it were.


Actually, I'm the same way Joseff.  And I'm not at all photogenic.  But I set the self timer on my camera and take lots of pictures.  (I'm assuming you have a digital camera, so there's no cost to messing up.)  Eventually a few will suck less than the others.  Keep those.  :)

I think practically everyone has something good going for them.  The trick is to know what that is and then to focus on it ... and to detract from the negatives.  Might I encourage you just a bit?




DomImus -> RE: Dress for success (6/29/2009 9:19:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: nevergrowdup
But I do have an issue with a guy who doesn't care enough to present himself in a favorable light.


That's not a problem. You have the right to have that issue. At the same time you have to understand that the rest of the world wasn't put here to meet your standards for presenting themselves in a favorable light. People have the right to present themselves however they see fit and they evidently have no say over whether that presentation becomes forum fodder since it didn't meet your standards.






breatheasone -> RE: Dress for success (6/29/2009 10:49:13 PM)

i have never had a problem with extra pounds on someone.... If i am attracted to the PERSON it matters not what their waist line is. However dressing in clean clothes....being clean...THAT is a big deal to me.




DemonKia -> RE: Dress for success (6/29/2009 11:24:06 PM)

FR, after read thru

*perves RedMagic's pic, notes that the man can barely be seen & that the overwhelming impression is, 'wow, what a gorgeous place', lol*

This is another I-take-this-shit-seriously issue. I treat the search for partnership like looking for a job, & I'm not looking to dig ditches (as honorable as that task is) . . . . I like to dress up occasionally, & I prefer potential partners be similarly inclined.

While in my day-to-day I'm casually dressed, I still have sartorially interesting & flattering tastes even in casual clothes, I hope . . . . I consider myself to be a special person, & I present myself as special to the external world in part by how I dress & groom myself . . . . . &, like it or not, one passes up the opportunity to control (to whatever degree possible) that first impression at one's own risk.

I've found that there is indeed some kind of connection to who the person is in how they present themselves. Too looks obsessed & not enough can be seen, to some degree; where the middle ground is between these varies from observer to observer. & there is a reasonable implication that one cares more or less about oneself that is discernible, to some degree, in clothing & grooming choices.

& above & beyond that there's the issue of what it is that we do (WIITWD). I am kinda obsessive about organization. & while I can be a slob, I prefer things be neat & tidy. & when it comes to BDSM I really get uptight about attention to detail. When seeking tops all that stuff matters to me; I'm really only interested in tops who are meticulous about the little things as well as the big picture. I find perfectionism problematic, but I do expect excellence (ie, doing the best possible for that person in that time & place) . . . . . .

& OP, you are as entitled to your impressions, thoughts, & feelings as anyone else. Trust your gut, & own your desires. There are no perfect people, just those playing perfect. 'Real' people have quirks & foibles, idiosyncrasies & their own particularities; that's part of what makes life interesting for me . . .. . .




HatesParisHilton -> RE: Dress for success (6/30/2009 1:41:19 AM)

(topping from the bottom has a fair opposite:  bratting from the top, LOL, and that's what I'm doing just to make Kia curl her adorably Finnish looking nose. Please note the specificity of the visuual and physical reference there; it's not accidental as per the context of this thread LOL)

"So, ladies, am I off here?  And guys ... would you be attractive to a woman who seemed to be clueless about appearance? "

If I have to go to the gym once a week just to get my ability to walk back, this guy can go once a week to impress you, with your tatsy OP pic, interested enough to think about a second date.  Sorry.  If  wimmen can be ruthless to each other over looks and behaviour I can be egalitarian and tell a bruthah what time it is.  Even if he's a

"Bhuddha" belly Bruddah.



as per the second part of the question, well, of she showedup in sweatpants falling a thord down her ass, if her ass was shaped for the Spencer, it just means after the first date she gets to go into the carpark for some Corporal before she gets the desert that gave her the curves in the first place.

Dressing her in something tight AFTER her cheeks feel like a 2nd degree sunburn is MUCH more fun.




Goddess2002 -> RE: Dress for success (6/30/2009 3:32:06 AM)

My first thought would be if he can't be bothered to at least look presentable in a pic he would probably make a lazy Dom. Glad he cleaned up a bit for the subsequent pictures[;)]




OsideGirl -> RE: Dress for success (6/30/2009 7:49:16 AM)

Well, here's the thing: The profiles on CM are personal ADVERTISEMENTS. You're selling yourself to a potential partner.

Which car would you rather buy? The dented car with tears in the seats that needs a paint job? Or the car that's just been waxed and vacced?

Here's another point of view. I have a friend that's a doctor. She's got her own practice and does a lot of charity events, etc. She needed someone that could function in her world. Meaning someone that can be at those events, meet her colleagues, etc. She showed me a picture she had received. They guy was in a stained T shirt, shorts with no underwear (peen fully visable), holding a 40, showing his missing teeth and greasy hair while sitting in a lawn chair.




variation30 -> RE: Dress for success (6/30/2009 10:21:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: nevergrowdup

I pride myself on being open minded.  But I do have an issue with a guy who doesn't care enough to present himself in a favorable light.

So, ladies, am I off here?  And guys ... would you be attractive to a woman who seemed to be clueless about appearance?


how one carries oneself and dresses oneself is a means of communication. it shows how that individual wishes to be seen.

if I had no obligations and could dress as I pleased, I would only wear panama hats ( http://brentblack.com/pages/panamahats.html#classicFedora ) and seersucker suits ( http://www.tomjames.com/US/suits/rm07_sp08.asp ).

as far as a general fashion guide for men and my philosophy on why one should dress a certain way: http://www.lewrockwell.com/tucker/tucker38.html

I'll quote a little from the article:

"First, there are clothes for public consumption: clothing in which to present yourself to others and thereby convey an elevated message about yourself. These are types of clothes you wear to work, to the store, out on the town, at a wedding, at church, at parties, or wherever people are going to see you. The primary objective here is that you look presentable, that you are civilized, a gentleman and not a beast.

The other type of clothing is that which serves a pure functional purpose: that is, that which you wear for yard work, fixing your car, an evening at home, a Saturday washing the house or cleaning, or just knocking around the park with kids. Everyone knows what type of clothes these are. They can all be bought at Wal-Mart or thrift stores, and they are made of cotton.

The great dressing error of our time is to confuse the two. Or more precisely: people think that it is perfectly okay to present yourself to others in clothes which serve a purely functional purpose. They say this is fine because it is comfortable – as if the only thing that matters in life is comfort. Well, it is also comfortable not to shave and not to bathe, and we have a word for people like that: slobs. If you don't want to be a slob, you have to live with a bit of discomfort.

...But, you say, I'll look the same all the time! Right. This conveys an impression that you are a wise and stable person, not prone to flights of fancy and fits of fashion. There is a practical aspect here. You don't really want to wear clothes that cause people to comment: hey, that is a really nice forest-green, window-pane, double-breasted, peak-lapel, side-vent hunting jacket with leather patches! The next time you wear it, the comment will be: oh, you wore that last week! No, you don't really want people to zero in on your clothes as if they have an existence apart from you and your character. Clothes should not make the man; they should be the man. "

another great place for men's fashion is the forums of this site: http://www.askandyaboutclothes.com/

a cursory glance at my profile should indicate how I feel about women who do not know how to present themselves.

what is a shame is that most young women are absolutely clueless as to how to dress. I have to say that my generation has seen the worst atrocities of trends when it comes to women's fashion. we've seen the popularization of those onestrapped tops, the tuxedo shirt, dresses and tops that look like this: http://www.bluefly.com/BCBGMAXAZRIA-ash-blue-crinkled-chiffon-corsage-dress/cat80012/303894901/detail.fly
and what is worst of all, we have a generation of young women who don't know how to walk in pumps. gone are the days of the house dress and the empire waist. we're now in the era of carpis and animal print dresses.

remember when people knew how to present themselves ( http://grainedit.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/mad-men.jpg )? I don't.

and it's only getting worse.




variation30 -> RE: Dress for success (6/30/2009 10:30:54 AM)

as an addendum: http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/000746.html

"Q: My boss is a slob. Can I dress higher than he?
A: Sure, with self-deprecation. Same is true for social occasions. If questioned, just say: I work better this way, or, I’m more comfortable this way. Your initiative will begin to change the culture around you."

that point cannot be stressed enough.

here's another article by Mr. Tucker http://mises.org/story/3372




DesFIP -> RE: Dress for success (6/30/2009 10:53:29 AM)

It was the weekend, he was probably mowing, gardening, repainting etc - all those things that homeowners in rural areas do. Yet you really expected him to dress up to impress someone he doesn't even know if he would want to meet?

I don't think he should have changed because this is what he does look like on the weekends. It's obvious you don't want to spend your time helping someone clean out culverts, week whack, put in drainage pipes. It's a good thing that you discovered early that you aren't compatible.

If he dressed like this to take you to dinner, that would be a problem, but in showing you what he normally looks like he was honest. If he gave you a picture of him in a tux and then after starting a relationship told you he never likes to dress up you would have thought of the formal pic as a lie. He was honest, so were you, he wants someone who knows what life is like in a rural area, you want someone more urban.

Next time you might ask what he was doing that this was the appropriate dress for, before assuming he was uncaring.




SailingBum -> RE: Dress for success (6/30/2009 12:55:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: nevergrowdup



The other sticking point ... his clothes.  He was wearing a t-shirt, torn shorts, and a baseball cap.  Now, this is a big guy ... and his choice of clothes just accentuated his gut.  I've seen pictures of heavier guys, and know that if they wear certain kinds of clothes (e.g., button down shirts) the belly doesn't become the focal point.  The shorts were the worst.  They were so torn that I could see his underwear ... a lot.  I delicately talked to him about the picture, how it wasn't very flattering ... that if he was trying to get laid he might want to put his best foot forward.  His reaction:  (1) He was dressed like every other guy who lives around his area and (2) If I had a problem with his appearance than I was being shallow.  (For what it's worth, he bathes regularly so there shouldn't be a hygiene issue.)


So, ladies, am I off here?  And guys ... would you be attractive to a woman who seemed to be clueless about appearance?




Uh yes your shallow!  Uh my pict is with a t shirt according to you I shouldn't have it posted.  But gazing upon your pict. you look so sexy  with the female version of the wife beater T shirt make me .....  can you say double standerd!!!

BTW you did ask.  BadOne




poeticfreak -> RE: Dress for success (6/30/2009 1:05:41 PM)

you're being shallow is the battle cry of the rejected. looks and effort do matter, physical attraction is an important part of a relationship and to pretend otherwise is simply denying reality. no matter how compatible two people are if you don't find the prospect of being physical with them on a regular basis something to look forward to rather than something to grit your teeth and get over with as quickly as possible, then it's not likely to work out

yes i know my response is somewhat ironic considering my own looks




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Dress for success (6/30/2009 1:44:41 PM)

I wouldn't think that he was trying to hard to impress, but I would be turned off if they dressed to a T every day, and this look was not just a special occasion caught on film. because someone who wants to dress so fancy and to a t  for EVERYday situations wouldn't like me or my casual dress. They would likely always be wishing I'd fancy up and wishing I wasn't so casual to down right frumpy, or mis matched* frumpy only on ocassion* 
quote:

ORIGINAL: nevergrowdup


Laughs.  Is there no happy median?  I agree with you ... if the first picture I saw was of a man in a suit or tux, I would he was trying too hard to impress me ... and that would be almost as much as turnoff as a guy in grunge.

I know biker guys have a lot of appeal to many here.  Not so much to me.





SailingBum -> RE: Dress for success (6/30/2009 1:45:46 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: poeticfreak

you're being shallow is the battle cry of the rejected. looks and effort do matter, physical attraction is an important part of a relationship and to pretend otherwise is simply denying reality. no matter how compatible two people are if you don't find the prospect of being physical with them on a regular basis something to look forward to rather than something to grit your teeth and get over with as quickly as possible, then it's not likely to work out

yes i know my response is somewhat ironic considering my own looks



What BS...What that guy was saying by his pict .. This is who I am take it or leave it.  I know lots of guys like this.  Including me.  He could care less what clothes he is wearing,  If the generic you doesn't like it... "I really could care less".  Round here we call it "being your own man"  ie not moving with society norms  <whatever those are>

BadOne




LaTigresse -> RE: Dress for success (6/30/2009 1:58:46 PM)

I don't worry over much about clothes. To some people the way the OP is dressed would be an issue.

Moreso, I look at the over all photo. Do they appear to be clean?(personal hygiene is a HUGE thing to me) Are there naked body parts hanging out that wouldn't be if they were mine? What is the background? What are they trying to tell me with that photo? What are they telling me with words and photo, and does it all match up?




oceanwinds -> RE: Dress for success (6/30/2009 2:06:43 PM)

SailingBum
Your picture is not bad at all. Those sunglasses are great, tee shirt is good, little of the boat I can see is nice, and the ocean, wow. How can one find fault looking at all that;)

oceanwinds




Esinn -> RE: Dress for success (6/30/2009 2:09:18 PM)

I did no type of selecting when I decided which picture to post of myself.  I knew I was unable to use a picture of myself with a minor.  So, that was my only rule.  The first picture without my daughter was uploaded.  Are tattoos tacky?  Does intentionally wearing an unbuttoned shirt that most button make one a slob?  How about the fact I did not take time to tape back my ears (I look a little bit like dumbo - blush).  Oh the Camel light 99 in my lips I bet that habit turns the stomach of a few.

When I interview for a job I never wear a suit and never hide any of the tattoos on my neck.  This means on occasion I have lost jobs.  But the majority I get what I want.  After landing the job I always speak with my co-workers what they wore.  Guess what it was a suit.  Guess who has tattoos on their neck at the companies I have worked for or currently work at - no one.  I am a come as you are type person.  This is who I am.  I do my best to look my best or modify my appearance to make is more satisfying for me.  I am happy, proud, confident and comfortable in my skin.  Well I wish my you know was a little longer.  I am often known to wear holey jeans and just a beater to show off my scrawny arms.  I request in profile people ask for more pics.  My next picture at least 1 of them is carefully selected me wearing an irish green shirt that reads, "drunkagain" with blood shot eyes my stomach pops out a little too.

I have have as many hilljack friends as this guy had holes in his pants.  They are all married and probably would not let their pitbull date the women I find attractive.  Move on if you think he s an ugly bastard who can not present himself.  What is shallow is schooling him on how to get laid because he does not fit what you define as attractive.

**The most attractive woman can quickly become unattractive because of lack of  passion, honesty, respect and the list goes on.  In numerous cases vice-versa.  Unattractive becoming much more so because of confidence, passion...  I do my best to look my best so I get your point.  Educating him how to get laid and making a thread about it.  You look well kept, flexiable and I see some cleavege too so I will let it slide.   I am gonna go get my ball cap now

Esinn




Esinn -> RE: Dress for success (6/30/2009 2:10:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: oceanwinds

SailingBum
Your picture is not bad at all. Those sunglasses are great, tee shirt is good, little of the boat I can see is nice, and the ocean, wow. How can one find fault looking at all that;)

oceanwinds


Have you 2 already met?  A sailor and ocean winds?




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