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master/slave - 2/15/2006 5:42:01 PM   
hancuffman


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Status: offline 		I'm considering taking a slave. Are there any good articles to read on slave training. I have little experience as a master.
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RE: master/slave - 2/15/2006 7:47:13 PM   
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I'm considering taking a slave. Are there any good articles to read on slave training. I have little experience as a master.



Then why would you consider taking a slave? A tad premature?

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RE: master/slave - 2/15/2006 8:02:39 PM   
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Then why would you consider taking a slave? A tad premature?



I agree .... don't you think you should learn abit of the M/s dynamics for you consider taking a slave. seems your putting the cart before the horse.

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RE: master/slave - 2/15/2006 8:50:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MHOO314

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ORIGINAL: hancuffman

I'm considering taking a slave. Are there any good articles to read on slave training. I have little experience as a master.



Then why would you consider taking a slave? A tad premature?



my question exactly. i would advise you to first learn what the responsibility of owning another human entails, and go from there. Best of luck with your learning.

A site i recommend is www.BESTslavetraining.com

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RE: master/slave - 2/15/2006 8:53:17 PM   
MrDiscipline44


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Status: offline 		Wow, I'm disappointed in both of you. This man is only considering taking on a slave and is asking for information on such relationships. Instead he gets pompous answers in return.

To the OP, I would tell you to talk to people in your community first about M/s relationships. You can also look into the Gorean forums and read the threads there about Gorean M/s. It's not exacty the same as BDSM but it's a start.

Here is a link to help with finding sites about M/s:
http://www.lili.tanos.org.uk/links/mslinks

But I would strongly advise talking to people that are in M/s relationships in person so you can understand the depth of the commitment that you will be taking on.

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RE: master/slave - 2/15/2006 10:32:40 PM   
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I'm considering taking a slave. Are there any good articles to read on slave training. I have little experience as a master.


Another one comes over to the dark side.. muhahaha..

Welcome to the depths of Hades.. ::or the heights of Heaven depending on your viewpoint:: :) There isn't a single person on the planet who started off 'experienced'. You can read all about it, and I do suggest doing so, but living is not the same as reading, so read with a jaded eye and a large salt shaker next to the bed. Literally any book or site you go to is going to be, mostly, the thoughts and opinions of 'a' person or two and for every one out there, there are going to be an equal number who feel and think and practice in the exact opposite way. You can approach BDSM with logic and reason, with fantasy and dreams or with something all together different and have a grand old time with any of it.

You've been given a couple of sites already for slave training, but you might want to start with something a bit more basic and move into slave training but there's no hard and fast rules that you must do so. S/m 101, Screw the Roses, Send me the Thorns and the Topping Book are three terrific primers for gathering some basic knowledge and can be purchased on-line from a number of places. Just google any one of the names.

Also, joining up with a local group, meeting others who walk the talk and speaking with as many people as you can are all ways to increase your knowledge base. As you go through the forums, be aware of the 'search' function. You can look up key words and read lots of opinions on various issues within BDSM many of which may answer some of your questions.. and you WILL have questions. lol.. If you don't see what you're looking for, feel free to post in the appropriate forums here and I'm sure someone will answer you eventually.. maybe lots of someone's. ::chuckles::

Good luck and welcome to the boards.

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RE: master/slave - 2/15/2006 10:34:16 PM   
B1gbear


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Status: offline 		Taking a slave is a serious commitment and a huge responsibility. Its not like agreeing to meet the slave for a fun night on the town. Do not take it lightly. If you don't know anything about training a slave, read and learn first. There are many good books and dozens of good websites on the subject. SM101, Screw the Roes, give me the thorns, Different loving are but a few. There are local communities in most major cities who would also be happy to guide you in the right direction. Online there are many resources listed her and a few I can give you directly if you contact me directly. I don't think they want me putting links in these posts.

Slow down and take some time to learn how to be the teacher before you start considering taking on a student (AKA slave).

Best of luck!

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RE: master/slave - 2/16/2006 2:33:43 AM   
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Slow down and take some time to learn how to be the teacher before you start considering taking on a student (AKA slave).




I would say - learn if you even want to be a teacher first! then learn how to be one... then consider taking on a student.

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RE: master/slave - 2/16/2006 5:47:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Every Master started out with nothing more than the desire. i have known men in " the life" for years who never learned squat and others who came to it naturally. If you want to read up, i think the books suggested are great. i would add, read about being a slave as well. The Bottoming Book is a great companion to the Topping Book. Get inside the head of slaves . Its a useful tool for any Master.

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RE: master/slave - 2/16/2006 7:05:50 AM   
Elegant


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Status: offline 		Consider the implications if you changed a few words in the OP's statement:
I'm considering taking a wife. Are there any good articles to read on marriage. I have little experience as a husband.

Yes, that is a bit simplistic but M/s relationships should not be treated lightly. There are too many people already who treat marriages lightly and have no qualms with disposing of one marriage to enter another. Why treat M/s relationships the same?

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ORIGINAL: B1gbear

Taking a slave is a serious commitment and a huge responsibility. Its not like agreeing to meet the slave for a fun night on the town. Do not take it lightly.


So true. Master/slave relationships should not be treated like 'going steady' or having a long term girlfriend/boyfriend.


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If you want to read up, i think the books suggested are great. i would add, read about being a slave as well. The Bottoming Book is a great companion to the Topping Book. Get inside the head of slaves . Its a useful tool for any Master.


Do know that not all M/s relationships are S/m based. My relationship with Master Archer is much more than just who beats who.



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RE: master/slave - 2/16/2006 7:34:57 AM   
MrDiscipline44


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Status: offline 		You can also read The Master's Manual and The Complete Slave from Jack Rinella to get the perspectives of being a Master and being a slave. These are the two books I recomend.

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RE: master/slave - 2/16/2006 7:36:49 AM   
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Do know that not all M/s relationships are S/m based. My relationship with Master Archer is much more than just who beats who.


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i could not agree more.

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RE: master/slave - 2/16/2006 9:03:50 AM   
TallDarkAndWitty


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ORIGINAL: Elegant

Consider the implications if you changed a few words in the OP's statement:
I'm considering taking a wife. Are there any good articles to read on marriage. I have little experience as a husband.


You raise a very good point, but one that, for me, is not consistent with the rest of your post.

How does one get the experience of being a husband without actually being a husband? You can't! You can read about it and learn about it, but until you slip that ring on her finger, you are nothing but a wannabe husband.

If one wants to learn what it is like to own a slave, there is nothing one can do but go out and get a slave. All the reading and listening and online role-play is just so much noise until you take possession of your first slave.

The way life works, most slaves aren't going to want to belong to you until you have developed at least a few skills, so the simply task of acquiring a slave can be enough education in, and of, itself.

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So true. Master/slave relationships should not be treated like 'going steady' or having a long term girlfriend/boyfriend.


Why not? What kind of relationship should one treat as "going steady"? Top/bottom? Dom/sub? Are these kinds of relationships simply stepping stones to the all hallowed Master/slave?

Not in my book...Master/slave is a type of relationship. You can have casual Master/slave relationships, or you can have serious commited ones. It all depends on how serious the Master and slave want to make it.

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RE: master/slave - 2/16/2006 9:14:32 AM   
angelic


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ORIGINAL: hancuffman

I'm considering taking a slave. Are there any good articles to read on slave training. I have little experience as a master.


i am a bit bothered by how this was worded. imho, i think that before You can Master another, You need to be certain You can Master Yourself. Is this just a whim? You woke one day and said 'i'm a Master, i need a slave"? Personally, i think You need to read articles regarding being a Master (sorry i don't have any at my fingertips since i've never had a desire to be a Master). i am not trying to be a smartass. It just concerns me how the question was worded. If You don't know what You are doing as a Master, it seems to me You could do serious harm (emotionally and physically) to a slave. Just my opinion.

ok i just tried to pull up hancuffman's profile and maybe it's just a 'glitch' in the system, but it's 'profile not found'.

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RE: master/slave - 2/16/2006 9:28:31 AM   
Kinkypupper


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Status: offline 		Everyones advice is and will be a bit different.
You will have to decide for yourself who and what YOU are and the dynamics of a relationship that maybe best suited for you.
I do not know if this will be posted to this topic or not, Nor do I know why your profile is gone. So I have no clue even how old you are.
In my opinion One does not "TAKE" a slave. That is a Gorian/internet term that has no real basis in reality. One does earn and accept the submission of another persons heart, body and yes even mind and soul.
With that comes a huge responsibility, and appreciation to the other for the Gift they have offered you.
You must learn to see yourself in all aspects and control before you can even hope to control another.



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RE: master/slave - 2/16/2006 9:31:43 AM   
TallDarkAndWitty


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ORIGINAL: angelic
Is this just a whim? You woke one day and said 'i'm a Master, i need a slave"?


Some of the most rewarding experiences I have ever had were begun on a whim. Don't knock the whim


quote:


If You don't know what You are doing as a Master, it seems to me You could do serious harm (emotionally and physically) to a slave. Just my opinion.


What do you base that opinion on? The Master's who do harm do harm despite, or even in spite of, any real training they recieve. The newbie Masters have very little real power to do harm, because they don't even know what it's all about yet. Even newbie subs can spot a newbie Master. It's the expereinced assholes you have to watch out for. *smile*


There is nothing mystical or magical about owning a slave. People with little or no training have been owning slaves since there were people. Being a good slave owner is something else alltogether, but that takes a bit of experience that you simply can't get in a book (though books certainly can help).

Good smart people who have the whim can be good smart slave owners without any help at all...bad dumb slave owners will be bad dumb slave owners no matter how much training they get.

Taggard

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RE: master/slave - 2/16/2006 9:39:14 AM   
angelic


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ORIGINAL: TallDarkAndWitty

quote:

ORIGINAL: angelic
Is this just a whim? You woke one day and said 'i'm a Master, i need a slave"?


Some of the most rewarding experiences I have ever had were begun on a whim. Don't knock the whim


quote:


If You don't know what You are doing as a Master, it seems to me You could do serious harm (emotionally and physically) to a slave. Just my opinion.


What do you base that opinion on? The Master's who do harm do harm despite, or even in spite of, any real training they recieve. The newbie Masters have very little real power to do harm, because they don't even know what it's all about yet. Even newbie subs can spot a newbie Master. It's the expereinced assholes you have to watch out for. *smile*


There is nothing mystical or magical about owning a slave. People with little or no training have been owning slaves since there were people. Being a good slave owner is something else alltogether, but that takes a bit of experience that you simply can't get in a book (though books certainly can help).

Good smart people who have the whim can be good smart slave owners without any help at all...bad dumb slave owners will be bad dumb slave owners no matter how much training they get.

Taggard


Crap, i have no idea how to quote one sentence, respond to that, then quote another and respond to that, etc. So i'll just do it the best way i can:

The whim comment was made based on... 'ok today i am a Master and i want a slave"...tomorrow i may not like being a Master... and there waits the slave

The rest: ok i see Your point *goes to her corner for a bit*

And since the profile does not appear to be found... did He wake today to decide He wasn't a Master?



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RE: master/slave - 2/16/2006 9:56:57 AM   
TallDarkAndWitty


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ORIGINAL: angelic
The whim comment was made based on... 'ok today i am a Master and i want a slave"...tomorrow i may not like being a Master... and there waits the slave


The thing is, most slaves won't line up to serve a Master who woke up that morning and went seeking a slave. Those who do probably need to learn that lesson, and having a Master vanish on you is a pretty cheap way to learn it. Growth shouldn't be completely painless...

Newbie slave Masters rarely hurt anyone (as opposed to newbie Sadists or even some types of Dominants)...the ownership based relationship is so fragile to begin with, it rarely supports someone who doesn't have any clue as to what they are doing.

Taggard


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RE: master/slave - 2/16/2006 10:08:10 AM   
angelic


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ORIGINAL: TallDarkAndWitty

quote:

ORIGINAL: angelic
The whim comment was made based on... 'ok today i am a Master and i want a slave"...tomorrow i may not like being a Master... and there waits the slave


The thing is, most slaves won't line up to serve a Master who woke up that morning and went seeking a slave. Those who do probably need to learn that lesson, and having a Master vanish on you is a pretty cheap way to learn it. Growth shouldn't be completely painless...

Newbie slave Masters rarely hurt anyone (as opposed to newbie Sadists or even some types of Dominants)...the ownership based relationship is so fragile to begin with, it rarely supports someone who doesn't have any clue as to what they are doing.

Taggard



very good point... back to my corner i go

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RE: master/slave - 2/16/2006 10:17:27 AM   
Evanesce


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Status: offline 		In addition to all the books others have recommended, I would include Miss Abernathy's Concise Slave Training Manual.

Other than reading, the best advice I can give you is to know what you want, know your expectations and limitations and, above all else, be consistent.

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