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RE: Question - 7/3/2009 11:24:19 AM

LdyWintershade

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I agree that it depends. There are those who train for the sole purpose of educating someone/guiding someone who is seeking experience in this lifestyle. However, I also feel that the purpose should be made clear by both parties BEFORE the collar is put on. If it is a trial situation, (like the dating reference mentioned earlier), then say so. If things don't work out...then you part. However, if anyone is giving the impression that the collar is a commitment of permanency, and then alters the arrangement, I feel it is 'false advertising' and dubious at best. All I can suggest, is to clarify the goals of the relationship FULLY in advance before putting/giving any collar to anyone.
I hope my 2 cents worth helped.

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RE: Question - 7/3/2009 11:35:53 AM

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This is a serious question. I am curious is a training collar the same thing as a velcro collar? I have heard that word and have wondered.

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RE: Question - 7/3/2009 3:08:52 PM

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quote:

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Hello, DarkCharles. I'm DarkSteven.

This is one of those times when it's great to be a Dom. You can give any kind of collar to a sub that you want. Hell, you can give her a Collar of Television and force her to watch TV 24/7. It's like being a wizard - you create something and define its properties, all by yourself.

I need to get me one of those, cause I've got a ton of dvr's to get caught up on......

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RE: Question - 7/3/2009 6:15:43 PM

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Most of our servants-in-training have been for the House, but occasionally we have a friend or associate who asks us to train someone in one of our specialty areas, where we'll be training them in some specific area or areas, but they won't be staying with the House.

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RE: Question - 7/3/2009 8:37:47 PM

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I also have trained some for others, and it is made clear at the onset, that while that sub/slave is answerable to me DURING TRAINING, once the training is complete he/she returns to their Owner. A Trainer is not an Owner unless that agreement has been made in advance. Some agree to it being one and the same. I do not, unless stated to be.
BTW, I don't think anyone here was presuming that your question was not serious, only trying to offer some clarity, is all. :)

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RE: Question - 7/4/2009 7:06:37 AM

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I would like your oppinions on this subject to help me to clarify this once and for all.If a master puts a slave into a training collar,is it or is it not with the intent to train them for themselves and collar them for themselves?

Well, I wouldn't bother with a "training collar". Yes, I "train" slaves in general (as opposed to specifically for me). You'd have to be really clear on the definition of the phrase "train a slave" though for that to make much sense.

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RE: Question - 7/6/2009 6:02:12 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkCharles

I would like your oppinions on this subject to help me to clarify this once and for all.If a master puts a slave into a training collar,is it or is it not with the intent to train them for themselves and collar them for themselves?

Not always, The Master maybe training the individual for another

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RE: Question - 7/6/2009 11:34:06 PM

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I agree that it all depends upon what the people in question have agreed that it means. To Me there are several potential levels or types of "training". There's the initial exposure and grounding to bdsm - educating the sub about basics such as safe calls, safe words and other safety issues, about types of play, sub space, aftercare and sub drop - that can occur on a mental level, but also may have some physical input. There is specialised training in a particular area of expertise - massage, being a butler, shining shoes, cooking, gardening ... whatever! Both of these could be done by a Trainer(s) who is not aiming to be the Owner. The third type is the specific training in things to suit the Owner - how they like their food prepared, their drinks made, their chores done etc etc. That really should be done by the Owner to be efficient.

oceanwinds - re a velcro collar - I think of those as the sort that goes on and comes off again in a matter of days or weeks! Particularly found in chatrooms where a sub will be collared to MsD one week and MsQ the next! Shouldn't be the same as a training collar if there has been appropriate communication as to what the training will be.

And while I know some have issues with "consideration" and I also know some use it inappropriately to tie someone to them without mutual obligation, I do believe it has a place. I might play with subs, but I ultimately want one to join My household 24/7. I wouldn't leap straight from "play partner" to "collared 24/7 sub for life" ... I don't think that would be fair to either them, Myself or Master. There would be a period of consideration during which we would all gradually spend more and more time together, seeing how good a "fit" we all are. Just as much as we are considering them, they would be considering us! And the terms of that consideration period (eg whether any of us has the right to continue chatting with others) would be clearly negotiated and agreed to by all parties. Master and i consider a permanent collar to be a very serious level of committment. He and i lived together 24/7 for 2 years ... mutually committed consideration ... before He collared me permanently. As a Domme, I would ask for at least a year's consideration period from a sub.

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RE: Question - 7/7/2009 12:04:24 AM

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velcro collar: a 'collar' (usually used online only) that a so-called or player dom gives and removes usually within a short period of time between whatever submissives fall for his lines...

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RE: Question - 9/11/2009 4:16:28 PM

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At this point i don't give a damn anymore.I have sat back unable to do a damn thing for far too long.I personally don't give a flying fuck what any one of you thinks of me.My questions were about learning and also about dealing with something going on in my life.Well now i am fucking fed up with the bullshit that has been going on.Being a nice guy hasn't gotten me anywhere in this fucking life.Guess it's time i changed.

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RE: Question - 9/11/2009 4:25:01 PM

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I don't know about anyone else, but when Sir collared me it was to train me for His use, not anyone else's.

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RE: Question - 9/11/2009 4:29:13 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkCharles

At this point i don't give a damn anymore.I have sat back unable to do a damn thing for far too long.I personally don't give a flying fuck what any one of you thinks of me.My questions were about learning and also about dealing with something going on in my life.Well now i am fucking fed up with the bullshit that has been going on.Being a nice guy hasn't gotten me anywhere in this fucking life.Guess it's time i changed.

Geez...i read the entire thread and at no time saw anyone piss in your Fruit Loops.

Lighten up, ferpetessake!!!

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RE: Question - 9/11/2009 4:30:27 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkCharles

At this point i don't give a damn anymore.I have sat back unable to do a damn thing for far too long.I personally don't give a flying fuck what any one of you thinks of me.My questions were about learning and also about dealing with something going on in my life.Well now i am fucking fed up with the bullshit that has been going on.Being a nice guy hasn't gotten me anywhere in this fucking life.Guess it's time i changed.

I think you might be reading the post wrong. I see people giving their opinions on your question. I haven't seen anyone passing any kind of judgement. I honestly thought your question was general, I didn't know it actually applied to you.

With a lot of people, me included, a question will just pop into our heads and we wonder what others think.

Maybe whatever is going on in your life if making you tense? Seriously, read the responses again, no one is jumping on you.

I was going to answer as to how I want to used a temp collar one day, but never mind if this is the kind of response I will get.

I really thought it was a good question, and would've liked to see a real discussion between the OP and the posters, especially since it's been something I have been considering for the future

I hope whatever going on in your life works out in your favor

take care

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RE: Question - 9/11/2009 4:31:39 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkCharles

At this point i don't give a damn anymore.I have sat back unable to do a damn thing for far too long.I personally don't give a flying fuck what any one of you thinks of me.My questions were about learning and also about dealing with something going on in my life.Well now i am fucking fed up with the bullshit that has been going on.Being a nice guy hasn't gotten me anywhere in this fucking life.Guess it's time i changed.

I read through this thread carefully and did not see what it was that made you feel as though anyone disrespected you or made you feel 'less than'. I didn't find any.
I found a question that prompted varied responses

To the OP,
If you were looking for THE answer, I think you got the wrong edition of the manual you were supposed to recieve when you signed up.
If you didn't receive the manual, that is ok.
We didn't either.
Most of us make it up as we go along and when something works we keep it and when it doesn't work we either tweak it or toss it out.

And don't worry, you don't lose your Master Card just because you are having an off day.

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RE: Question - 9/11/2009 4:35:11 PM

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Nice posting Charles...very nice. Found a new victim?

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RE: Question - 9/11/2009 4:43:44 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Hello, DarkCharles. I'm DarkSteven.

This is one of those times when it's great to be a Dom. You can give any kind of collar to a sub that you want. Hell, you can give her a Collar of Television and force her to watch TV 24/7. It's like being a wizard - you create something and define its properties, all by yourself.

Would you pretty please give me a Collar?? Like maybe the Collar of Shopping?? Pretty pleaseeeeee.....*on knees begging*

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RE: Question - 9/11/2009 4:48:08 PM

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I would have thought that a training collar was a kind of lets get to know each other and see how we get on. Surely it is as much for the sub's benefit as the Dom'mes. Perhaps after wearing the collar for a while the sub might decide the Dom'me is not for them. After all it takes two to tango.

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RE: Question - 9/11/2009 7:25:43 PM

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i always thought you collared what you intended to keep. all the new definitions and twists and turns something once simple has taken can leave a normal person pretty darned confuzzled. i also believe common sense still exists and if you aren't the person offering the collar in question, just tap into yours on this issue. what you're probably suspecting to be true most likely is. we were given that nifty tool for a reason. use it.

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RE: Question - 9/11/2009 7:47:49 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkCharles

I would like your oppinions on this subject to help me to clarify this once and for all.If a master puts a slave into a training collar,is it or is it not with the intent to train them for themselves and collar them for themselves?

For the most part the OP is correct in his belief,,however, ultimately, the collar means only what the giver tells the receiver it does

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RE: Question - 9/11/2009 7:50:34 PM

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I think she understands entirely. But for her, as for me, dating and playing was done without the need of a collar to make it ok. It was just play until it became more.
The idea of training or consideration collars seems like bait to get someone to open their lips to me.

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ORIGINAL: onlyfreelycaged

girlygurl.. it's kind of like dating before marriage. a way of learning about what one wants and needs in a relationship, and about them selves... I hope that helps.

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