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DarkCharles -> Question (7/2/2009 9:46:20 PM)

I would like your oppinions on this subject to help me to clarify this once and for all.If a master puts a slave into a training collar,is it or is it not with the intent to train them for themselves and collar them for themselves?



StrangerThan -> RE: Question (7/2/2009 10:19:19 PM)

I sure as fuck hope so because that master doesn't have one damned clue as to what I - or anyone else for that matter - want or require.



daddysliloneds -> RE: Question (7/2/2009 10:29:53 PM)

the only time anyone ever pulled that line and trick on me, it was their way of saying, 'when the collar goes on, i own you; when it comes off, i don't'...

in other words, i was a convenience play-toy[:'(]



DarkCharles -> RE: Question (7/2/2009 10:40:11 PM)

I am only asking to get oppinions on the question.It is not my way of tricking anyone or having anyone be my play toy.



daddysliloneds -> RE: Question (7/2/2009 10:46:01 PM)

dude, i was giving my opinion, don't take it so personally.

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkCharles

I am only asking to get oppinions on the question.It is not my way of tricking anyone or having anyone be my play toy.




Malkinius -> RE: Question (7/2/2009 10:47:59 PM)

Greetings DarkCharles....

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkCharles

I would like your oppinions on this subject to help me to clarify this once and for all.If a master puts a slave into a training collar,is it or is it not with the intent to train them for themselves and collar them for themselves?


There is only one correct answer to your question. It depends.

It depends on what the person says they are doing with a training collar. A training collar really only means whatever the person giving it means it to be. The problem is that many people use it for many different things and there is on one meaning for it. If the intention is to train and only train, then no the intention is not to collar the slave. If it is unspecified or if it is to put the slave in a training collar and then a personal collar later, it should be stated that way from the beginning.

Be well....

Malkinius



stella41b -> RE: Question (7/2/2009 10:56:39 PM)

Could be. Who knows?

I mean, you could sit here for months and go through the postings and still be confused as to what collar has what significance and for whom.

But then again you know there's so many people who come here and ask questions expecting there to be set criteria and universal standards which apply to everybody. It's almost as if they think it's something laid down by law and covered in legislation.

The truth is, it isn't. I think the only standard is that what a collar signifies depends mainly on the dominant in terms of what has been worked out with their submissive or slave and with regard for the type of relationship they are seeking with that submissive or slave.

That saying, I just feel that a collar - any collar - takes on signficance only when a dominant has found both compatible submissive or slave and worked out the relationship and has found a submissive or slave prepared to wear that collar.

Giving a submissive a collar for training is quite popular among dominants. Not having come across dominants who collar submissives for other dominants or indeed having come across a dominant who insisted that I be collared by yet another dominant I would indeed assume that the dominant who issues a collar to a submissive or slave does indeed intend to train and have a relationship with that submissive or slave for themselves.

Anything is possible.



Maxwell67 -> RE: Question (7/2/2009 11:00:15 PM)

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A collar does not mean what it used to.  Things have changed.  Today if a collar means anything at all, then it is the symbol that some sort of power exchange relationship exists between the wearer and the owner of said collar.  A collar is only as meaningful as the relationship it represents. 



girlygurl -> RE: Question (7/2/2009 11:13:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkCharles

I would like your oppinions on this subject to help me to clarify this once and for all.If a master puts a slave into a training collar,is it or is it not with the intent to train them for themselves and collar them for themselves?


What is the slave being trained for?  Better head?  jusk askin [:)]

I can't speak of collars really since I don't wear one.  Speaking for myself, I don't understand the terms "training" or "under consideration" I mean, I understand what the words mean but I don't get the concept of them.  Be it from me to say it doesn't work for others... but it just doesn't work for me.

eta: Before I became His submissive I was a "play partner"  no training, no under consideration... we just played.



onlyfreelycaged -> RE: Question (7/2/2009 11:16:45 PM)

girlygurl.. it's kind of like dating before marriage. a way of learning about what one wants and needs in a relationship, and about them selves... I hope that helps.



girlygurl -> RE: Question (7/2/2009 11:26:01 PM)

Thanks onlyfreely



KateyCaine -> RE: Question (7/3/2009 2:31:15 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkCharles

I would like your oppinions on this subject to help me to clarify this once and for all.If a master puts a slave into a training collar,is it or is it not with the intent to train them for themselves and collar them for themselves?



One would assume that it would be with the intent to tarin them and collar them for Themselves. Unless the alternative was stated at the outset. i assume You're meaning the intention to train the slave for their own use, versus for another Master/Mistress??

k.



KateyCaine -> RE: Question (7/3/2009 2:34:07 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: daddysliloneds

the only time anyone ever pulled that line and trick on me, it was their way of saying, 'when the collar goes on, i own you; when it comes off, i don't'...

in other words, i was a convenience play-toy[:'(]



Yep, i know that that feels.... been there, done that, gt the T-Shirt and the hat and the bumper sticker many years ago.......

That sucks that it happened to you too :)

k.



Whenready -> RE: Question (7/3/2009 2:43:54 AM)

As Malkinius said "It depends".

I've had two trainees. One was for Me. The other I trained with for someone else. In both cases the subs knew what the purpose of the training collar was, and what was intended to follow.

It worked for Me, and, so far as I can tell, for them.

As with all things here, the trick is communication, communication, communication....



DarkSteven -> RE: Question (7/3/2009 4:45:59 AM)

Hello, DarkCharles.  I'm DarkSteven.

This is one of those times when it's great to be a Dom.  You can give any kind of collar to a sub that you want.  Hell, you can give her a Collar of Television and force her to watch TV 24/7.  It's like being a wizard - you create something and define its properties, all by yourself.

But you need to have The Talk, when you explain to her what properties the collar has.  And at that point, she accepts or rejects, or renegotiates.

It sounds to me like you gave her a training collar and assumed it had exclusivity as one of its properties, and she never agreed to that part.

Time to have The Talk with her.  Better late than never.



IrishMist -> RE: Question (7/3/2009 7:02:32 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkCharles

I would like your oppinions on this subject to help me to clarify this once and for all.If a master puts a slave into a training collar,is it or is it not with the intent to train them for themselves and collar them for themselves?

Depends on the people involved and what they are hoping for.



RCdc -> RE: Question (7/3/2009 7:10:45 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Hello, DarkCharles.  I'm DarkSteven.


And hello... I'm the.dark.[:)]
Geeze, someone needs to put the light on...[;)]
 
Collars are what you make them.  Each relationship and people define it their way.
 
the.dark.



OsideGirl -> RE: Question (7/3/2009 8:00:06 AM)

Personally, I don't believe in training collars and I believe that 99% of the use of the word "training" is an euphemism for "I wanna tie you up, beat on you and fuck you".

Seriously, the two best pieces of training that I received were an intensive wine tasting course and a butler's class on table setting and service.

Beyond my views, I've seen a training collar used like a pre-engagement ring (another thing I don't believe in) and I've seen it used as a temporary contract.



LadyPact -> RE: Question (7/3/2009 8:06:18 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkCharles

I would like your oppinions on this subject to help me to clarify this once and for all.If a master puts a slave into a training collar,is it or is it not with the intent to train them for themselves and collar them for themselves?

Not necessarily, though I would suggest that you know which situation it is for your own personal peace of mind.



StrangerThan -> RE: Question (7/3/2009 8:56:17 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: daddysliloneds

the only time anyone ever pulled that line and trick on me, it was their way of saying, 'when the collar goes on, i own you; when it comes off, i don't'...

in other words, i was a convenience play-toy[:'(]


The only time I've ever used a training collar or collar of 'consideration' was when someone asked me if they could tell people they had one in order to keep the dick head Doms at bay. Other than that, my experience with people who have carried these things is that they ran across what you're describing - which makes it one of the bs acouterments in D/s terms a decent portion of the time. I can't imagine anyone training a submissive for me. I'd end up spending a good portion of my time undoing what had been done.



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