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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/6/2009 10:27:14 AM   
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Strange sense of humor you got there Rich....MmeGigs said nothing funny at all....and I know funny.Palin got treated in the same fashion as those who went before her.Should she have been handled with kid gloves due to her gender?The fact she's a mother?
Or perhaps she should have been given a break...just because she's stupid and uninformed?

I thought it was pretty hilarious myself, mike.

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Oh well in that case I guess it was hilarious.....I mean coming from such disparate thinkers as the two of you....nothing more need be said!

No need to get sarcastic.

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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/6/2009 10:32:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Firm that wasn't sarcastic....that was funny.
Now next time you and Rich need to figure out whether or not something is funny....you have an example to work with.

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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/6/2009 10:41:09 AM   
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An interesting article on Palins resignation:

The Best Is Yet To Come:

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We're seeing the same thing today. Obsessive figures confronted with a simple human contingency and, unable to comprehend what's right in front of their eyes, retreating instead into irrelevant speculation about whatever they know best. Simply put, in resigning her governorship and stepping away from active politics, Sarah Palin is not pulling any tricks, carrying out any maneuvers, or putting in motion any long-range plans. She is doing exactly what any normal, rational, un-driven human being would do under the same circumstances.


I suspect the reason for all the uproar is the lack of "normal, rational" human beings in the political sphere.

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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/6/2009 10:44:11 AM   
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We're seeing the same thing today. Obsessive figures confronted with a simple human contingency and, unable to comprehend what's right in front of their eyes, retreating instead into irrelevant speculation about whatever they know best. Simply put, in resigning her governorship and stepping away from active politics, Sarah Palin is not pulling any tricks, carrying out any maneuvers, or putting in motion any long-range plans. She is doing exactly what any normal, rational, un-driven human being would do under the same circumstances.


I suspect the reason for all the uproar is the lack of "normal, rational" human beings in the political sphere.


I prefer not to focus on the words "normal, rational" but instead focus on "un-driven." Apparently, she knew that since she wasn't seeking re-election, wasn't going to do any actual work anyway. In that case, leaving is the best thing she could do.....especially because it cuts down any hope of a presidential campaign.


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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/6/2009 10:54:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Two things. First of all, if you two guys really think Palin's catching more negative attention than any other political figure in her position, I think it's more a measure of the sources you read. If you spend a lot of time browsing wacko conservative blogs like the one Heretic posted, you're probably going to see a lot of focus on poor Sarah and how persecuted she is. And you're more likely to draw the conclusion that, yes, she is being unfairly ganged up on. Whereas, those of us who don't pay much attention to blogs in general, and no attention at all to those kinds of blogs, don't see anything but another 2nd-rate political hack getting exposed for what she is every time she opens her mouth.

Which brings me to Point 2. If she seems like she's getting criticized a lot, it's because there's nothing positive to say about her. Every single thing about this ignorant, narcissistic twit is a negative. So it's only natural that every story regarding Palin is a negative story, and often very negative. C'est la vie, as Kittin would say. If the simpleminded bimbo doesn't like the negative attention, let her go back to shooting animals from airplanes and leave the rest of us alone. Then we won't have anything to talk about.

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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/6/2009 10:54:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Okay Firm I gave your article a look....my problem with the writers premise is the woman he is describing....never accepts McCain's offer to ride shotgun in his campaign.All the reasons Dunn states for her resignation were in place when she thrust her family in the national spotlight in the first place.Dunn states Palin is "one of the outstanding Governors of our time"...which in and of itself boggles the mind...who would he place alongside her on that rarefied stage....the former Gov.of Illinois.

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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/6/2009 10:58:15 AM   
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August 2008, SP to Hillary Clinton regarding the media "No Whining":
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Fair or unfair, I think she does herself a disservice to even mention it. You gotta to plow through that. You have to know what you're getting into -- which, I say this with all due respect to Hillary Clinton, and to her experience and to her passion for changing the status quo also -- but when I hear a statement like that coming from a woman candidate with any kind of perceived whine about that excess criticism or you know maybe a sharper microscope put on her, I think, 'man that doesn't do us any good' -- women in politics, women in general wanting to progress this country, I don't think it bodes well for her, a statement like that. Because, again, fair or unfair, it is there, I think that's reality, and I think it's a given. I think people can just accept that she is going to be under the sharper microscope. So be it. I mean, work harder, prove yourself to an even greater degree that you're capable, that you're going to be the best candidate, and that of course is what she wants us to believe at this point. So it bothers me a little bit hearing her bring that attention to herself on that level.



But Sarah deserves SOOOOOOOOO much better right??? HAH
the pouting princess act is pathetic


It's so smack-in-the-face hypocritical


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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/6/2009 11:08:00 AM   
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*shrugs*

OK

An interesting article on Palins resignation:

The Best Is Yet To Come:

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We're seeing the same thing today. Obsessive figures confronted with a simple human contingency and, unable to comprehend what's right in front of their eyes, retreating instead into irrelevant speculation about whatever they know best. Simply put, in resigning her governorship and stepping away from active politics, Sarah Palin is not pulling any tricks, carrying out any maneuvers, or putting in motion any long-range plans. She is doing exactly what any normal, rational, un-driven human being would do under the same circumstances.


I suspect the reason for all the uproar is the lack of "normal, rational" human beings in the political sphere.


And there's no better example of that than the author of that opinion piece. Typical Limbaughian logical contortions - "Poor Sarah; she suddenly discovered she has kids to raise, and she really doesn't owe anything to the people who elected her governor, and after all, the whole thing turned out to be a lot harder than she thought it would be, so of course the only logical thing to do is quit in the middle of her term and walk away from all of her obligations so she can serve the country by running for president someday."

What a rank, steaming pile of whining Rush-speak. That drivel is an insult to every single politician in the country who deals with the exact same issues she deals with, yet somehow finds a way to do the job they were hired to do, the job they fucking promised to do when they asked the people to trust them and to vote for them. I will give the "writer" credit for getting one thing right, though - I completely agree with him (or her) that Palin is doing her state a service by walking away. Other than that, every word of it is complete crap.

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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/6/2009 11:11:59 AM   
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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/6/2009 11:19:22 AM   
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Subtee isn't it amasing how often the word hypocritical comes up in any discussion involving the soon to be former Governor of Alaska.


It's like trying to have a discussion about dog shit without ever using the word "stink."


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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/6/2009 11:24:38 AM   
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Subtee isn't it amasing how often the word hypocritical comes up in any discussion involving the soon to be former Governor of Alaska.


It's like trying to have a discussion about dog shit without ever using the word "stink."

Now see that was funny......

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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/6/2009 12:11:35 PM   
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Two things. First of all, if you two guys really think Palin's catching more negative attention than any other political figure in her position, I think it's more a measure of the sources you read. If you spend a lot of time browsing wacko conservative blogs like the one Heretic posted, you're probably going to see a lot of focus on poor Sarah and how persecuted she is. And you're more likely to draw the conclusion that, yes, she is being unfairly ganged up on. Whereas, those of us who don't pay much attention to blogs in general, and no attention at all to those kinds of blogs, don't see anything but another 2nd-rate political hack getting exposed for what she is every time she opens her mouth.

You are assuming facts not in evidence about either my or Heretics reading habits.

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Which brings me to Point 2. If she seems like she's getting criticized a lot, it's because there's nothing positive to say about her. Every single thing about this ignorant, narcissistic twit is a negative. So it's only natural that every story regarding Palin is a negative story, and often very negative. C'est la vie, as Kittin would say. If the simpleminded bimbo doesn't like the negative attention, let her go back to shooting animals from airplanes and leave the rest of us alone. Then we won't have anything to talk about.

I find it amusing that the very people who seem to decry the "politics of personal destruction" seem to find nothing wrong with it when it's practiced against someone that they dislike.

I believe that one of the major problems with the US political experiment today is the rise and seeming permanence of an elitists political class, regardless of party. We as a people are jaded and expect our elected officials and our pundits to speak with double and triple tongues, and seem to take great pleasure in pointing it out, and wishing for someone who is just "plain spoken".

Yet, when one arises, a large minority of our population seem offended, and prepared to belittle, demean, and point out that she "isn't like the rest".

What you can not deny about Sara Palin is that she has less in common with this self-styled political and intellectual elite than the majority of national political figures.

Most of the attacks against her that I've seen here on CM are based on the "elites" soundbites, and fabrications, and few if any of them are based on her actual accomplishments, words, or beliefs.

However, there is a substantial number of Americans who do not see Palin as you and the rest of the attack crowd do. (and I'm sure you or your proxies will belittle and demean them as ignorant, stupid, religious nitwits as well). These are not simply the right wing of the Republican party, either.

To me, it's both a sad commentary on the state of union, as well as negative indicator of any possibility of a safe, acceptable method out of the morass of hate politics and elitist governance that we find ourselves in.

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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/6/2009 12:21:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Please regale us with a list of her accomplishments.....other than being elected Governor in the least populace state....or being selected as a running mate by the least functional campaign in recent memory.
Explain to me like I was a 5th grader why this woman of no discernible intelligence commands respect from any corner.Explain to me how you can decry 'politics of personal destruction" when championing this self tittled "pit-bull with lipstick" who seemed to have one role only during the campaign......that of attack dog.Please Firm explain how whats good for the goose isn't good for the gander.
Edited simply because I'm a little dense .....and it needed it.

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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/6/2009 12:27:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I feel sorry for her. She should never have been put in the position to be nominated veep.  But it seems to me she seriously doesn't have a clue how clueless she is. I wish for her (and for us) that she goes quietly back home. She won't though.


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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/6/2009 12:46:24 PM   
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Please regale us with a list of her accomplishments.....other than being elected Governor in the least populace state....or being selected as a running mate by the least functional campaign in recent memory.
Explain to me like I was a 5th grader why this woman of no discernible intelligence commands respect from any corner.Explain to me how you can decry 'politics of personal destruction" when championing this self tittled "pit-bull with lipstick" who seemed to have one role only during the campaign......that of attack dog.Please Firm explain how whats good for the goose isn't good for the gander.
Edited simply because I'm a little dense .....and it needed it.

As a test of your own ability to overcome biases, why not tell me what I should say?

It is the mark of an intellectual to be able to take any side in a debate.

Exercise is good for us all.

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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/6/2009 12:49:35 PM   
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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/6/2009 12:54:17 PM   
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You are assuming facts not in evidence about either my or Heretics reading habits.


Considering such blogs are the only sources Heretic cites, and considering that your primary role in this thread has been to support his position (without  citing any sources of your own), I'd say there is, indeed, sufficient evidence to support my assumption. I'm certainly open to being shown where I am in error, if you have other sources to cite.



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I find it amusing that the very people who seem to decry the "politics of personal destruction" seem to find nothing wrong with it when it's practiced against someone that they dislike.


What does that catch-phrase even mean? In this discussion? Because I don't have any idea what you're talking about, or how it relates to Sarah Palin. As a victim,  that is.



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I believe that one of the major problems with the US political experiment today is the rise and seeming permanence of an elitists political class, regardless of party. We as a people are jaded and expect our elected officials and our pundits to speak with double and triple tongues, and seem to take great pleasure in pointing it out, and wishing for someone who is just "plain spoken".

Yet, when one arises, a large minority of our population seem offended, and prepared to belittle, demean, and point out that she "isn't like the rest".


That's where your whole argument collapses, because she isn't "plain spoken" at all. She's a liar. A hypocrite, a liar, and a dissembler. This has been demonstrated so many times over, it's not even a serious question. She's exactly like the rest.




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What you can not deny about Sara Palin is that she has less in common with this self-styled political and intellectual elite than the majority of national political figures.


I certainly can deny it, and I do. The only difference between Sarah Palin and any other professional politician is that  she's too stupid to be as good at it as the rest of them are.


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Most of the attacks against her that I've seen here on CM are based on the "elites" soundbites, and fabrications, and few if any of them are based on her actual accomplishments, words, or beliefs.


Every attack I've seen here against here traces back directly to her own imbecilic babblings and bizarre actions. I don't need a soundbite to tell me that that crazed, semi-coherent rant I heard her stutter through on Friday afternoon was anything but a crazed, semi-coherent rant. She damns herself every time she opens her mouth.

And as for her "accomplishments", these wondrous achievements that so many of us don't seem to have noticed - what, exactly, would they be? What are her substantive accomplishments?



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However, there is a substantial number of Americans who do not see Palin as you and the rest of the attack crowd do. (and I'm sure you or your proxies will belittle and demean them as ignorant, stupid, religious nitwits as well). These are not simply the right wing of the Republican party, either.


I don't need to belittle them, because i can't make them any worse than they've already made themselves look. I'll just say that anyone who looks at Sarah Palin and sees an intelligent, rational, stable leader is raising very serious questions about their own objectivity and credibility.


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To me, it's both a sad commentary on the state of union, as well as negative indicator of any possibility of a safe, acceptable method out of the morass of hate politics and elitist governance that we find ourselves in.


I think the very fact that 30% of the people in this country think that blithering imbecile is qualified to be president is an even sadder commentary. And the fact that the republican party actually tried to put her in a position to become the president is beyond sad; it's appallling.


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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/6/2009 1:04:32 PM   
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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/6/2009 1:13:24 PM   
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An interesting article on Palins resignation:

The Best Is Yet To Come:



Well, duh, when that link has 3 ads to contribute to her PAC, of course, its all going to be sunshine and roses and plans galore.



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I suspect the reason for all the uproar is the lack of "normal, rational" human beings in the political sphere.

Firm


And that lack of normalcy began with a woman who was poised to be second on the button.   People are not scared of her as a political force, but rather scared of her level of maturity being in control.  You know, like a 9 year old behind the wheel of a car scares you.

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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/6/2009 1:15:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Come on Firm...this shouldn't be that hard...just tell me in 40 words or less what are these accomplishments you are so impressed by.Who knows perhaps I can be converted,apparently the evil liberal media has failed to identify all that she has done.

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