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RE: Voodoo People ? - 7/16/2009 4:36:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

s'up to you - it was written in the 19th century and is one of the ground breakers in terms of showing things as they are to a very religious society at the time. By showing the commonality of themes in all religion from ancient to "modern", it allows and enables one to backtrack from the modern mindset to the ancient, which is what is necessary if you truly wish to understand the ancient in a more than factual way.

And there's some would have us all believe that Stonehenge was built by "the druids" (Pagans as a Christian slur) ,in setting aside such religious ignorance, much has and much more will yet be discovered in relation to the purpose and meaning of it and many many other places of which Stonehenge is the more "modern"

There's a difference between commonality and stolen (themes). I don't tend to go with the term "religion" much, belief/belief system makes much more sense, as does faith. I feel it is misguided to try to relate the more ancient beliefs with modern systems and expect to gain understanding of the way things are without them..
I do not believe that most "modern" (book) beliefs can relate to anything "ancient" because they are obsessed with everyone having to think and believe the same way and lack tolerance toward others whilst preaching the opposite.

Some "religion" is fundamentally unable to co exist in comfort with anything ancient that might have existed before IT.

I have my belief/s , it is not "religious" but it is very true. I lost interest in attempting to compare notes with the "religious" due to the fact that my rejection of the regular unilateral attempts at converting me cause undue upset (to them). It seems odd too that those who would dissect one belief/s would become insecure or hostile (or both) upon the approach being reciprocated. I wouldn't mix with such narrow minded hypocrites.

End result (in relation to reading too) I am happy and explore in my own way, I can see a lot less negative about some beliefs (like voodo) than others (like christianity) and ponder this .... who dares belong to a faith which ritually simulates the drinking of human blood and the eating of human flesh, then is critical of the rituals of others as being sordid ? (for example) .... who dares belong to a faith that Expects disfigurement from it's followers and is likewise critical ? (for example)

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RE: Voodoo People ? - 7/16/2009 4:56:24 AM

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ORIGINAL: JonnieBoy

End result (in relation to reading too) I am happy and explore in my own way, I can see a lot less negative about some beliefs (like voodo) than others (like christianity) and ponder this .... who dares belong to a faith which ritually simulates the drinking of human blood and the eating of human flesh, then is critical of the rituals of others as being sordid ? (for example) .... who dares belong to a faith that Expects disfigurement from it's followers and is likewise critical ? (for example)

Pirate

The thing is though that Voodoo and Christianity are considered the same coin. So dissing one whilst accepting another is a little self defeating.

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RE: Voodoo People ? - 7/16/2009 5:26:23 AM

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End result (in relation to reading too) I am happy and explore in my own way, I can see a lot less negative about some beliefs (like voodo) than others (like christianity) and ponder this .... who dares belong to a faith which ritually simulates the drinking of human blood and the eating of human flesh, then is critical of the rituals of others as being sordid ? (for example) .... who dares belong to a faith that Expects disfigurement from it's followers and is likewise critical ? (for example)

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The thing is though that Voodoo and Christianity are considered the same coin. So dissing one whilst accepting another is a little self defeating.

the.dark.

Not sure where you get the "dissing" bit from ? I take that term to be related to "disrespecting"

I have commented from experience so if the shite pumped out at me by a fair sample of (amongst others) "christians" is related in the way you understand it as "disrespectful", read again, I am commenting upon how CRITICAL and INTOLERANT I have experienced "the religious" to be. I don't respect that,as it happens, but that is different to being "disrespectful" If there has been any disrespect it has been that which I have come across (been subjected to) first hand (including from christians), and I have merely identified and questioned that behaviour, as part of this discussion. .... What do you think of it ? .... should I NOT speak the truth ?

If you believe that christianity and voodo are the same coin, that is your consideration and not mine.

As for "accepting" voodo, I would think it clear that I am engaged in research on the system but I can assure you that you will find great difficulty in squeezing my beliefs into a box with a label on it in such an othhodox religious manner.

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RE: Voodoo People ? - 7/16/2009 5:29:15 AM

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ORIGINAL: GYPZYQUEEN

I am not sure why you are rolling on the floor laughing unless it is your beer,,,if is is becuz you think the UN credibility thing is BS..
I don't care iether..I was simply answering your question

I was laughing about the unwed Goddess part. I actually thought the UN part was a good answer to my question.

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RE: Voodoo People ? - 7/16/2009 6:31:55 AM

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End result (in relation to reading too) I am happy and explore in my own way, I can see a lot less negative about some beliefs (like voodo) than others (like christianity) and ponder this .... who dares belong to a faith which ritually simulates the drinking of human blood and the eating of human flesh, then is critical of the rituals of others as being sordid ? (for example) .... who dares belong to a faith that Expects disfigurement from it's followers and is likewise critical ? (for example)

Pirate

The thing is though that Voodoo and Christianity are considered the same coin. So dissing one whilst accepting another is a little self defeating.

the.dark.

Not sure where you get the "dissing" bit from ? I take that term to be related to "disrespecting"

I have commented from experience so if the shite pumped out at me by a fair sample of (amongst others) "christians" is related in the way you understand it as "disrespectful", read again, I am commenting upon how CRITICAL and INTOLERANT I have experienced "the religious" to be. I don't respect that,as it happens, but that is different to being "disrespectful" If there has been any disrespect it has been that which I have come across (been subjected to) first hand (including from christians), and I have merely identified and questioned that behaviour, as part of this discussion. .... What do you think of it ? .... should I NOT speak the truth ?

If you believe that christianity and voodo are the same coin, that is your consideration and not mine.

As for "accepting" voodo, I would think it clear that I am engaged in research on the system but I can assure you that you will find great difficulty in squeezing my beliefs into a box with a label on it in such an othhodox religious manner.

Pirate

It wasn't aimed 'at' you singular, Jonnie. Just at the whole them and us vibe that occurs in general when looking at religions. If you dig voodoo, then you can dig christianity - or visa versa - that is what I meant.
I am not really into the whole organised religion blah so if you have had bad vibes from whatever religion, yeah that sucks, so have I. But that doesn't frighten me from studying into something further. Ach, I am known to have JWs wanting to leave my house instead me trying to chuck them out...
I get the whole critical thang and intolerance too. I just don't get why reversing it makes it ok or the person any better, ya dig? Sure, it's your truth, and I wouldn't try and stop you for a moment in reporting what you believe to be the truth and your experience of it, but as a non christian myself whom is often identified as a christian because of my love for religions, I get the exact reverse of you. Atheists (big time), pagans (self identified and yeah, I tend to agree with your ideas on that), etc tend to be far more critical and show far more aggression towards me than other religions or spiritual practices like Judaism, Islam, Wiccans, Buddhist et all. Hinduism tend to be in my experience the most tolerant of all.
Voodoun/Voodoo/Voohduin - however and whoever writes it is akin to christianity - just different sides of the coin. If anything there is much akin to the whole power and spirit dynamic christianity thang going on that some christian societies follow. Some Voodoun followers also compare their spiritual dynamics with christianity. It's not that big a leap of faith in either direction. They just get to god in a different way.

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RE: Voodoo People ? - 7/16/2009 8:04:20 AM

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What makes something a legitimate religion vs. an illegitimate religion?

The thing is, in the United States, because of the way our Constitution is written, there is no such thing as an "illegitimate religion". If you call yourself a church, then you ARE a church, and while the government can -recognize- you as a church, they -cannot- "prove the negative" and declare that a church is -not- a church. What they -can- do is say that if a church participates in certain forbidden activities, they will not be able to declare tax exemption.

One thing that always gets me about this, though, is that technically, clergy of churches that have tax exempt status are not allowed to promote political ideology within the boundaries of the church -- they're not allowed to preach politics from the pulpit or involve the church in political activities... however, you see, all the time, where pastor so-and-so speaks out on some political topic, or endorses some particular candidate or political party, or sends church members out to do political canvassing... and yet the IRS turns a blind eye... while, at the same time, non-traditional religions and churches who do -not- participate in unauthorized activities are threatened with denial of tax exemption status because they "may be a cult", even though, according to rule of law, the government is not allowed to decide what -is- or -isn't- a church.

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RE: Voodoo People ? - 7/16/2009 8:08:44 AM

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Ach, I am known to have JWs wanting to leave my house instead me trying to chuck them out...

*LOL* Same here. We invite them in and start the "discussion", and the first thing you know, they're suddenly discovering that they have someplace critical that they HAVE to be!

Same with the poor Mormons, except that we can't invite -them- in the house... house full of women with no male Head around, ya know!

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