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RedMagic1 -> RE: Too poor to see a Pro-Domme? (7/9/2009 4:58:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: herbcaroll I do realize that a pro has expenses, and these costs must be covered. But I also realize that now, with the state of the economy and so many people out of work or doing their banking at a pawn shop, the price has to be affordable. I see more and more of a barter system evolving. Most of us don't have an extra 3 Benjamins to toss around for a one hour session particularly if we have other vices. In economic terms, it is "Elasticity of Demand". Heh. Maybe if you lived a more virtuous life you could afford a prodomme to take you to kinky heaven.

herbcaroll -> RE: Too poor to see a Pro-Domme? (7/9/2009 5:16:07 PM)
I CAN afford a prodomme; however, I simply don't see how the fees were arrived at and for me, I'll choose to spend my disposable income on other vices. No biggie. The American economy is founded on freedom of choice. I'm finding bartering is working nicely, and it is a lot more affordable. As far as "virtuous", teaching math is fairly high on the list of ways to earn a noble income. But to each their own. If a guy wants to drop $300 after tax dollars on a one hour session, that is up to him. But I just don't see the service justifying the cost. That's all.

Missokyst -> RE: Too poor to see a Pro-Domme? (7/9/2009 6:16:04 PM)
Most pro's that I know don't charge nearly that much. I wonder how someone arrived by that figure? I guess it might have been mentioned on CSI by Lady Heather at some point. Nevertheless.. if I knew of a male pro top I might consider it. A good session can leave me feeling happy and content for a couple of weeks. It seems to me that is a much like a vacation only I don't have to buy dinners out or drive for hours on end to get to the beach. Kyst quote: ORIGINAL: herbcaroll I CAN afford a prodomme; however, I simply don't see how the fees were arrived at and for me, I'll choose to spend my disposable income on other vices. No biggie. The American economy is founded on freedom of choice. I'm finding bartering is working nicely, and it is a lot more affordable. As far as "virtuous", teaching math is fairly high on the list of ways to earn a noble income. But to each their own. If a guy wants to drop $300 after tax dollars on a one hour session, that is up to him. But I just don't see the service justifying the cost. That's all.

herbcaroll -> RE: Too poor to see a Pro-Domme? (7/9/2009 6:26:26 PM)
So what is the accepted going rate? $200-300 is what I'm getting. Even $200 is a bit steep, although I do expect the woman to get paid for the service. But really, this country is in financial hell and guys just don't have the extra cash anymore. A lot of them don't. Maybe the older ones do, but those of us who slug it out 40 a week have to choose our vices carefully.

RedMagic1 -> RE: Too poor to see a Pro-Domme? (7/9/2009 6:48:05 PM)
The fact that you consider going to a prodomme to be a "vice" is not going to win you a lot of friends around here. Maybe my best female friend used to be a pro. She has a Ph.D. now. Quite a few current and former prodommes post to these boards. Most of them are pretty frikkin smart... and all of them are human beings, not "vices" to be purchased for an afternoon of fun.

LadyPact -> RE: Too poor to see a Pro-Domme? (7/9/2009 7:01:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: justme1980 why do you need a Pro? Whats wrong with a non pro? I can field this one. There really just aren't a good number of folks, like Me, who play casually and do it without the time investment that those looking for a relationship or a dynamic. Anytime I make it be known that I'm going to be at one event or the other and I don't have My dance card full, people show up. Keep under consideration that is for a public club where most of the time, it's only going to be a half hour scene, and it's strictly S/m. That's how hard it can be to find someone who just wants to play.

Andalusite -> RE: Too poor to see a Pro-Domme? (7/9/2009 7:05:21 PM)
RedMagic, I don't consider Pro-Dommes (or pro-subs, or pro-switches) to be a vice per se, but back when I was looking, I was much less likely to be interested in a guy if he was actively playing with a pro-Domme. I assumed that indicated that that's what he wanted, rather than a committed relationship. I agree there are plenty of other reasons for not wanting to pay-to-play besides being cheap or poor or scared to actually follow through. However, if someone whines that pro-Dommes are too expensive, I take their word for it that that's the reason they aren't booking a session.

RedMagic1 -> RE: Too poor to see a Pro-Domme? (7/9/2009 7:06:51 PM)
Sure, but herbcarroll was very clear about the fact that he could afford a prodomme, but would rather spend his money on other vices instead. I don't disagree with what you said.

Andalusite -> RE: Too poor to see a Pro-Domme? (7/9/2009 7:10:10 PM)
Gotcha. Yeah, when I was looking, I would have turned down someone who had that attitude, most likely, even though I'm a non-pro, and have no intention whatsoever of actually trying it, and have played casually at public clubs without getting paid. There are some things I'd like to do, and have the money for, but choose to spend it in other ways, so I can understand a bit where he's coming from in general, though he phrased it poorly. However, he has made it clear that he thinks of domination as a commodity, just not one he's willing to spend money on, IMHO. Worst of both worlds.

herbcaroll -> RE: Too poor to see a Pro-Domme? (7/9/2009 7:15:43 PM)
Any way you slice it, a pro domme provides a service. Nothing more. And the paying sub is the customer. In terms of a vice, I didn't mean that in an insulting fashion, but rather, an expenditure that is not really necessary for survival and is completely optional. If the market says this service is worth $300, so be it. I'll opt out. No biggie. I have plenty of degrees as well and I assure you I'm no idiot. This is a largely unregulated service and is governed by Elasticity of Demand. I honestly don't see where I was out of line with anything I wrote. If others disagree, so be it.

variation30 -> RE: Too poor to see a Pro-Domme? (7/9/2009 7:19:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mummyman321 I am niether for or against Pro Dommes. But the reality is that they are very unaffordable for a lot of people. so is foie gras. people should stop bitching about prices.

variation30 -> RE: Too poor to see a Pro-Domme? (7/9/2009 7:37:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Missokyst Most pro's that I know don't charge nearly that much. I wonder how someone arrived by that figure? I guess it might have been mentioned on CSI by Lady Heather at some point. Nevertheless.. if I knew of a male pro top I might consider it. A good session can leave me feeling happy and content for a couple of weeks. It seems to me that is a much like a vacation only I don't have to buy dinners out or drive for hours on end to get to the beach. Kyst Is there a market for heterosexual pro tops?

RedMagic1 -> RE: Too poor to see a Pro-Domme? (7/9/2009 7:39:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: herbcaroll In terms of a vice, I didn't mean that in an insulting fashion, but rather, an expenditure that is not really necessary for survival and is completely optional. Do you refer to eating at a restaurant instead of cooking at home as a vice? Of being a member of a gym? Of owning more than one pair of shoes? Those are optional behaviors, vices if you will. Vice meaning "behavior that is vicious," as I am sure you know, being all multi-degreed and stuff. Also, I do not think that word "Elasticity of Demand" means what you think it means. Clearly the fee for a pro session is rather inelastic. Elasticity of demand is a descriptive, not a proscriptive -- meaning you look at the data and then call something elastic, not call a service elastic and expect the prodommes will drop their prices because you made a declaration.

variation30 -> RE: Too poor to see a Pro-Domme? (7/9/2009 7:39:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Andalusite RedMagic, I don't consider Pro-Dommes (or pro-subs, or pro-switches) to be a vice per se, but back when I was looking, I was much less likely to be interested in a guy if he was actively playing with a pro-Domme. I assumed that indicated that that's what he wanted, rather than a committed relationship. I have never seen a larger misunderstanding of males.

DavanKael -> RE: Too poor to see a Pro-Domme? (7/9/2009 7:42:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: variation30 Is there a market for heterosexual pro tops? You mean male? I doubt there is much of a demand but I once bemoaned to someone with whom I'd had a D/s relationship that it could be nice (If I could wrap my brain around sacrificing some/lots of what's sacred to me about D/s) and find a hot, male pro-top to take care of the not overtly sexual ideation I was having. He was disturbed (And likely jealous) of my even voicing the contemplation but who knows, perhaps there are a bunch of hetero tops out there (Again, I'm assuming you mean male) and I just have never heard of one. Davan

Andalusite -> RE: Too poor to see a Pro-Domme? (7/9/2009 7:44:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: variation30 quote: ORIGINAL: Andalusite RedMagic, I don't consider Pro-Dommes (or pro-subs, or pro-switches) to be [;)]a vice per se, but back when I was looking, I was much less likely to be interested in a guy if he was actively playing with a pro-Domme. I assumed that indicated that that's what he wanted, rather than a committed relationship. I have never seen a larger misunderstanding of males. I specifically had a couple of experiences with submissive men which gave me that impression, when I was looking. At any rate, it tended to be a "He's not compatible with me" indication, whether or not it is true of men in general. For that matter, if he were playing casually with other women on a non-pro basis, it also made me cautious, and question the likelihood of a commitment from him. If he had been playing with one or two other women who he was actually dating, that didn't set off the "commitment phobia" flag for me, although if he were still involved with them, I probably wouldn't pursue it further. If I did, I would want to check with her to make sure I wasn't participating in doing anything which violated their agreements. Since I'm in a relationship now, it's a moot point. [;)]

variation30 -> RE: Too poor to see a Pro-Domme? (7/9/2009 7:47:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DavanKael You mean male? I doubt there is much of a demand but I once bemoaned to someone with whom I'd had a D/s relationship that it could be nice (If I could wrap my brain around sacrificing some/lots of what's sacred to me about D/s) and find a hot, male pro-top to take care of the not overtly sexual ideation I was having. He was disturbed (And likely jealous) of my even voicing the contemplation but who knows, perhaps there are a bunch of hetero tops out there (Again, I'm assuming you mean male) and I just have never heard of one. Davan yes, I'm asking about males. I never thought a heterosexual dom could go pro. a) too many people giving it away for free b) I don't know too many submissives/slaves who would have the money to spend on it.

ZenDragoness -> RE: Too poor to see a Pro-Domme? (7/9/2009 7:55:25 PM)
quote: I guess it might have been mentioned on CSI by Lady Heather at some point. Very, very nice!

herbcaroll -> RE: Too poor to see a Pro-Domme? (7/9/2009 7:57:02 PM)
Goods and services for which there is no real substitute are considered inelastic; however, it is a subset of elasticity. This service will charge what the market will bear. If guys are willing to pay $300 a session, so be it. Not all of us are willing to do that. Prior to my second marriage, I took my beatings from female friends or my first wife simply because we liked each other and enjoyed participating together. My second marriage took me out of the game and it isn't as easy to find women now period, regardless of any bdsm orientation. If I find can find a pro who charges a rate I'm willing to pay,and she's willing to take me on, great. If not, I'll take a 15 year old bottle of single malt Scotch. This is pure capitalism. I am not complaining about what pros charge; I'm simply saying I think the price is generally too high for the service so I choose not to participate. Pros can live quite easily without me and vice-versa. As Jimminy Lummox from Ren and Stimpy said..."No use crying over Slim Whitman."

LadyPact -> RE: Too poor to see a Pro-Domme? (7/9/2009 8:03:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: herbcaroll Goods and services for which there is no real substitute are considered inelastic; however, it is a subset of elasticity. This service will charge what the market will bear. If guys are willing to pay $300 a session, so be it. Not all of us are willing to do that. Prior to my second marriage, I took my beatings from female friends or my first wife simply because we liked each other and enjoyed participating together. My second marriage took me out of the game and it isn't as easy to find women now period, regardless of any bdsm orientation. If I find can find a pro who charges a rate I'm willing to pay,and she's willing to take me on, great. If not, I'll take a 15 year old bottle of single malt Scotch. This is pure capitalism. I am not complaining about what pros charge; I'm simply saying I think the price is generally too high for the service so I choose not to participate. Pros can live quite easily without me and vice-versa. As Jimminy Lummox from Ren and Stimpy said..."No use crying over Slim Whitman." Can you clue Me in on exactly how much the Scotch might be? I don't buy the stuff, so I really wouldn't know. If it's as low as I think it is, I don't even think that would cover the top's expenses, much less compensate for time.

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