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TheHeretic -> RE: Food stamps at record highs (7/8/2009 8:22:27 PM)
Did you bother to read what I wrote, or just reply to the topic and avatar?

slvemike4u -> RE: Food stamps at record highs (7/8/2009 8:31:07 PM)
Rich people pay for food stamps...at a reduced rate for sure...but they pay for them...a what was it you said 13.6% bump simply means they have the right to buy more stamps at the reduced rate or possibly a cheaper rate...I have no Idea which,the point is food stamps aren't given away. By the way one needs to be at or near the poverty level to qualify for these benefits....why all the hostility to the neediest amongst us.I know some game the system,but the majority don't...the majority ,much like a few posters here...have hit hard times and reluctantly apply for some help.....improve their situation and move off the rolls.

rulemylife -> RE: Food stamps at record highs (7/8/2009 8:39:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah It is this Abuse of the system that bother the hell out of me. If you want to talk about the abuse of the system I would suggest reviewing the history of the treaties you spoke of and how many times they were broken by the U.S. government.

DomKen -> RE: Food stamps at record highs (7/8/2009 8:53:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse A friend and co-worker here in Wisconsin was 1/2 Onieda Indian. He recieved a very nice check every 6 months from casino profits. He lived in Milwaukee near me (not on a reservation) and at the time we were making in the mid $60,000 range.Nice gig. He was a little embarassed but never sent a check back nor should he have.. That's a check from a business run by teh tribe not a federal government payments which is what was originally being complained about.

TheHeretic -> RE: Food stamps at record highs (7/8/2009 9:24:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Rich people pay for food stamps...at a reduced rate for sure...but they pay for them...a what was it you said 13.6% bump simply means they have the right to buy more stamps at the reduced rate or possibly a cheaper rate...I have no Idea which,the point is food stamps aren't given away. Mike, I have no idea what you are talking about. Rules and policies do vary widely from state to state, and even county to county, though. http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10101.html This is the program that got the raise. Nobody is "paying" for food stamps at the benefit end of the stick that I am aware of.

slvemike4u -> RE: Food stamps at record highs (7/8/2009 9:44:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Rich people pay for food stamps...at a reduced rate for sure...but they pay for them...a what was it you said 13.6% bump simply means they have the right to buy more stamps at the reduced rate or possibly a cheaper rate...I have no Idea which,the point is food stamps aren't given away. Mike, I have no idea what you are talking about. Rules and policies do vary widely from state to state, and even county to county, though. http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10101.html This is the program that got the raise. Nobody is "paying" for food stamps at the benefit end of the stick that I am aware of. Perhaps a quick trip to our friends at Google will help clear up the confusion Rich,Food stamps are not free....it is a program designed to give poverty level families more buying power for their buck....I wasn't willing to attempt to sign up for them ,so I couldn't go through the process which determines how much they would cost me(seemed like too much work to prove a point,and thankfully for me I wouldn't qualify) But for arguments sake...a family living at the poverty level with 2 children might spend 400 Dollars a month and receive back 600 Dollars worth of food stamps. Thats my understanding of how it works.....its possible I'm misunderstanding the program or its different in Caif. I don't know.I do know you sent me to a Social Security site...so maybe what your seeing is something that is deducted or counted against those beneifits...again I don't know

suhlut -> RE: Food stamps at record highs (7/8/2009 10:32:23 PM)
mike here in NY state.. foodstamps are not something being payed for. They figure out a familys qualifications, by adding up any incomes (wages, rental,ect) and then deducting what they concider a fair amount to what the family can afford in groceries. So.. for example..a family of 4 with two working parents, each earning 300.00 a week. 600.00 ~wages x 4 ~weeks ------------------------- 2400.00 Monthy wages They have a percentage that a family can be expected to be able to afford to spend out of that money each month towards groceries. Not exactly sure what the percentage number is.. but lets say they think a family can afford to spend 10% of that income on food. So 240.00 in this case. They also have it figured out how much a family might need to spend in that month on groceries, based on number of family members. So, say on their chart.. they have it figured that a family of 4 would need to spend 700.00 a month in groceries. So theyd take that number 700.00 and theyd deduct what they feel the familycan afford to use from income - 240.00 --------- 460.00 Thus they figure the family needs $460.00 a month in foodstamp benefits to help them afford the 700.00 monthly bill. So, in a way, you are right, while the family isnt being SOLD foodstamps, they are being given assistence to help make their own dollars stretch.

slvemike4u -> RE: Food stamps at record highs (7/8/2009 11:05:21 PM)
Thanks for clearing that up...I appreciate it,the sites tended to be a little confusing.Damm happy I don't need the assistance,I don't know if I could figure out the red tape.

tazzygirl -> RE: Food stamps at record highs (7/8/2009 11:12:41 PM)
Being half souix, and getting no benefits from any treaties.. nor is any member of my family now or in the past... im appalled at the thought process of some here. Native Americans went through a period of genecide that still hasnt ended. As an example.... quote: The federal government passed laws that forced Native Americans to abandon their traditional appearance and way of life. Some laws outlawed traditional religious practices while others ordered Indian men to cut their long hair. Agents on more than two-thirds of American Indian reservations established courts to enforce federal regulations that often prohibited traditional cultural and religious practices. To speed the assimilation process, the government established Indian schools that attempted to quickly and forcefully Americanize Indian children. According to the founder of the Carlisle Indian School in Pennsylvania, the schools were created to “kill the indian and save the man.” In order to accomplish this goal, the schools forced students to speak only English, wear proper American clothing and to replace their Indian names with more “American” ones. These new policies brought Native Americans closer to the end of their traditional tribal identity and the beginning of their existence as citizens under the complete control of the U.S. government. http://www.victoriana.com/history/nativeamericans.html Government, businesses and citizens of the US made major profits off the misery and humiliation of a single group of people. Many, many times treaties were broken. And, for some who may not realize.. this didnt end until the 1900's. I still recall my great gandmother speaking of the pain and anger from her youth. Imagine being "told" how to wear your hair, what clothes to wear, where you could walk, run, play, live, eat, breathe, ect.... and then realize... you are being told this on your OWN land! If some are rising from the "profits", remember, there are just as many, if not more, who are living in squallor. Visit a reservation sometime. its a great education. Many tribal members had to drive for hours just to see a backwoods Dr. They are an honorable people who had their pride broken by those they accepted without question in the beginning.

SteelofUtah -> RE: Food stamps at record highs (7/9/2009 9:24:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah It is this Abuse of the system that bother the hell out of me. If you want to talk about the abuse of the system I would suggest reviewing the history of the treaties you spoke of and how many times they were broken by the U.S. government. rulemylife, I am aware of the treaties that were broken I am aware of the many hundreds of thousands that were killed and starved off thier land or simply cut off from water supplies. Yes I am aware. I however had nothing to do with that. Nor did just about anyone LEFT ALIVE TODAY. In the Past horrible things happen, Rarely do you see those of the Jewish Persuasion abusing such systems, rarely do you hear about them demanding cash from the goverment for the wrongs commited against them. They Work hard to get the Art and Historical Heirlooms back but rarely have I ever heard of one asking for a free check from the goverment cause of what was done to them. Am I trying to say that one behavior is right and the other wrong? No, I am saying that anyone who feels they DESERVE a handout because of their Race, Religion, Creed or Gender is a LEACH. If you are Homeless, Broke, Unable to Support the Basic Needs of Life for you and your family then yes these programs should be made available. However if you fine that it is easier to stay on them then to get off them then there is a Problem. Anyone who has a child so they can now afford a better TV .... YES it happens and I know a woman who jokes about that being the major reason and how much they got in food stamps and Aide and then gave the child up for adoption and the adopting parents paid all thier bills for 9 months. I do not care what your RACIAL Histrory is, NONE of the horrible things done to them was done to just about ANYONE still ALIVE, so you should be paid for someone elses suffereing ? How in the hell does that make any sense? How does paying the children of the suffered ease the pain of those who had to suffer it? If you can answer that in any other way than, Getting the Money makes it easier for them to no have to do what everyone else has to do to get by, Any other answer than Money? Anyone? Seriously Condoning the Abuse of the system because you heart bleeds for someone past is sickeing to me. Steel

suhlut -> RE: Food stamps at record highs (7/9/2009 9:46:12 AM)
well mike.. luckily they don't require the applicants to figure out their own "red tape".. handed an application that is accompanied with a step by step instruction booklet on how to fill it out..and lists what they need to bring with them, to the scheduled appointment. ( proof of any income, birth certificates, soc security cards, ect) Computers help the case workers figure out the "red tape" on the date of the scheduled appointment.

slaveboyforyou -> RE: Food stamps at record highs (7/9/2009 10:27:20 AM)
quote: If they were still being REQUIRED to stay on Reservations I would Agree however The Treatys that pay them remain however the restrictions that made those Treatys Available DO NOT. If they didn't stay on those reservations and dispersed, their culture would become extinct I'm afraid Steel. I'm sympathetic towards American Indians staying on the reservations for exactly that reason. They maintain their community and identity that way. If they lived all over the U.S., it would be gone within a few decades. None of the original Arkansas tribes exist anymore for that reason. We have a river named after the Ouachita. But they are gone now. Edited to add: I was wrong on my history. De Soto encountered the Caddo where the Ouachita and Caddo Rivers converge 20 miles south of here. De Soto's record keeper called them the Tula, and said they were the fiercest warriors they ever encountered. It was the Caddo that convinced De Soto's party (De Soto was already killed earlier) to retreat south to Spanish settlements along the Gulf. Interesting, eh? But there were several tribes that lived in Arkansas that went extinct because of white dispersal. The reservations are the only thing that kept many modern day tribes together. It's unfair to say they should grow up and move off; it would kill their culture.

SteelofUtah -> RE: Food stamps at record highs (7/9/2009 12:07:14 PM)
slaveboyforyou. I find that way of thinking off putting to the idea of culture. My family has Reunions where all the family from all over the world converge and meet and greet. If our OWN culture of is able to survive then theirs should as well. The Problem as I see it is we are not willing to find new ways to bridge the distance gaps. It might Kill their CURRENT culture but it is up to them if the teachings and the ways die with them. Steel

slvemike4u -> RE: Food stamps at record highs (7/9/2009 12:44:44 PM)
Couldn't disagree more Steel...while one can hope that immigrants who come here assimilate smoothly to American culture....I don't think we should be requiring an indigenous people to assimilate to the society we have brought forth on their continent.

tazzygirl -> RE: Food stamps at record highs (7/9/2009 1:44:51 PM)
quote: rulemylife, I am aware of the treaties that were broken I am aware of the many hundreds of thousands that were killed and starved off thier land or simply cut off from water supplies. Yes I am aware. I however had nothing to do with that. Nor did just about anyone LEFT ALIVE TODAY. In the Past horrible things happen, Rarely do you see those of the Jewish Persuasion abusing such systems, rarely do you hear about them demanding cash from the goverment for the wrongs commited against them. They Work hard to get the Art and Historical Heirlooms back but rarely have I ever heard of one asking for a free check from the goverment cause of what was done to them. And what was taken from the native americans? land, sacred burial grounds, pride and history.... a whole way of life. Shall we just stop giving them anything and return to them what was taken? What solution do you see? and, as far as them all being dead.. no.. there are still some alive. remember, the harrassment they suffered didnt improve until after the turn of the century... 1900...... that century. 1850 showed roughly 360,000 natives west of the mississippi (keep in mind, there are many tries located only east of there as well). by 1900, the number, even with births, dropped to 250,000. quote: Many American Indian groups did not survive relocation, assimilation and military defeat; by 1890 the Native American population was reduced to fewer than 250,000 people. Due to decades of discriminatory and corrupt policies instituted by the United States government between 1850 and 1900, life for the American Indians was changed forever.

SteelofUtah -> RE: Food stamps at record highs (7/9/2009 1:50:43 PM)
Well I never said we would agree all the time. However that Culture you talk about the one that should remain strong and Pure, look at what it is. Not what Someone did to them, but what they welcomed in, the Satelite Dishes and the Pickup Trucks and the Trailer Parks, The ALCOHOL. Should we be blamed for these things as well? Did this help to ruin their culture and with the very notion of Manifest Destiny can you tell me how it could have been stopped? Are we to blame because we drew the straw that said time to expand? How come we don't blame the English? I mean it was on the Queens word that we were sent here? Why not Blame The Vikings Because they came here and slaughtered the native american for sport they just didn't colonize the way we did. Who holds the blame? The people who are now as native to America as the Americans are? Sorry I was Born here, my Heritage came from MANY places and I have maintained my Heritage as MY PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY to my Ancestors. I learn about the ways we used to do things but I rarely curse the way things are done now, advancement is a PERSONAL choice. To say otherwise is to say the Menonites and Amish are figments of imagination and the personal choice to change the way you do things goes to the individual who makes that choice and then the generations that follow have NEW ways of doing things. It is the NATURE of TIME. Things change and you must change with them or watch them as they pass because NOTHING changes change. Steel

SteelofUtah -> RE: Food stamps at record highs (7/9/2009 1:56:51 PM)
quote: And what was taken from the native americans? land, sacred burial grounds, pride and history.... a whole way of life. Shall we just stop giving them anything and return to them what was taken? If it wasn't us who would it have been? The Chinese? The French? The English (Which is who it actually was at the time) It would have happened ANYWAY. Look at history not just the parts you wanna see. The situation would remain no matter what. At least we offered Treaties, The French, and the chinese would have continued killing and told them to change allegiance or die. History shows this as well. What is my solution. The Past is the Past and History is HISTORY, Treat every American CITIZEN the SAME and don't give some a break because of the color of thier skin or the source of thier blood. My Solution is Unity. To contine this kind of treatment just proves we do not see them as equal and thier continued taking of it proves they do not see us as equal. Racism and Segragation are still alive and these practices keep them so. Steel

tazzygirl -> RE: Food stamps at record highs (7/9/2009 2:01:20 PM)
If you dont like the treaties, get the US government and the Tribes to change it. Its just that simple. They cannot, as far as i understand, be changed any other way. I will ONCE again restate... not every native american takes a subsidy... we arent ALL alcoholics... we dont ALL drive puck up trucks or live in trailers... but.. if we did.. so what? This isnt restitution. Its what the government agreed upon to take their land that the government gave them to begin with.

slvemike4u -> RE: Food stamps at record highs (7/9/2009 2:41:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah Well I never said we would agree all the time. However that Culture you talk about the one that should remain strong and Pure, look at what it is. Not what Someone did to them, but what they welcomed in, the Satelite Dishes and the Pickup Trucks and the Trailer Parks, The ALCOHOL. Should we be blamed for these things as well? Did this help to ruin their culture and with the very notion of Manifest Destiny can you tell me how it could have been stopped? Are we to blame because we drew the straw that said time to expand? How come we don't blame the English? I mean it was on the Queens word that we were sent here? Blaming the Queen might not work so well...especially when one considers the comparitive experiences of those tribes lucky enough to be north of the border as opposed to south of the border.

DomKen -> RE: Food stamps at record highs (7/9/2009 3:43:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Blaming the Queen might not work so well...especially when one considers the comparitive experiences of those tribes lucky enough to be north of the border as opposed to south of the border. It might also be tricky when it is considered that one of the factors that built support for the US revolution was King George refusing to allow further westward expansion of the colonies. See the Proclamation of 1763.

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