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HatesParisHilton -> RE: Why do you believe in what fate awaits you? (7/10/2009 3:59:24 AM)
Are there Trickster Gods at Play? the tardo ex of Palin's daughter writing his OWN tell all book and seeking Hollywood deals when he himself has no talent would point to there being Trickster Gods afoot. I believe in Trickiness and Mischief played by MOST people while these people like to cry "foul" in a whngeling fashion (like the fact that to anyone of Norse heritage, of viking bloodline, Loki is a God of Mischief and laughs at any wanker that whines about mischief being afoot while using his name in any fashion; and of course anyone who had read a sinbgle line of Loki's history asie from a comic book would have no complaint with such a statement). I believe that when I check the section of " a certain Very Popular Book" divided into 2 halfs but coming from over 12 sources, the part dealing with a bunch of bread and fishie-wishies and feeding poor people has no part in the story where the Guy feeding the hungry says "uh, hey, wait, before anyone takes a bite, just gotta ask, is anyone here gay? 'Cuz then I gotta make you go into the SLOW line to get a feed..." And equal rights for equal Taxes Paid, under the new administration, move along faster than before under the retardo-chimp-plus-cheney deal. No matter what bridges to nowhere get (NOT) built and finished by clearly-borderline bimbos, seeking airtime. And low and Behold, suckers of the Sarah Palin Sugar Coated Poison Pill get to see El Tardo, the knocker up of her own spawn, competing with her for airtime. Hey, what can I say? For the people that love the idea of meatheads and bimbos crying themselves to sleep, lots of proof around, and a GREAT time to be alive... Lots of reasons to believe...

downkitty -> RE: Why do you believe in what fate awaits you? (7/10/2009 8:23:45 PM)
OK, I'll toss out my whackado theory ... We are all pieces of the whole who, for a time, find ourselves here in this physical linear existence. When I die, I think I'll still be a piece of that whole. You know how the mercury in a thermometer (or are they all wax now?) forms these little balls when you break the glass? The balls roll around and when they come into contact with another ball of mercury, they merge. That us, little bits of mercury that merge with the whole. If you step on the big blob of mercury (whole), it breaks apart into smaller balls of mercury ... not the same small ball that was rolling around before it merged, but bits of the whole nonetheless. I consider these bits of the whole sort of like souls, but not exactly. I don't think we own specific souls. I think what "soul" is in me now was probably a piece of this little ball of mercury plus a piece of that little ball of mercury ... in the same way that the big blob of mercury doesnt break apart into the same specific smaller balls of mercury every time you step on it to break them apart. Maybe I need to get back on meds ...

HatesParisHilton -> RE: Why do you believe in what fate awaits you? (7/11/2009 1:56:11 AM)
noooo, I dig that, and to me, it makes sense. of course I am FRUSTRATED that I believe something ELSE... But I DIG that you made me feeeeeeel that way. Since unlike being able to draw from life, belief IS about "feeling", about things "ringing true". GOOD post, well done.

NorthernGent -> RE: Why do you believe in what fate awaits you? (7/11/2009 2:10:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: knees2you Not much on satan Which is a shame because he's infinitely more interesting than the holy trinity. quote: ORIGINAL: knees2you but I was wondering why do you believe in what will happen to you when you leave this planet? It's never crossed my mind. Maybe when I'm 103 I'll be overcome with anxiety. Until then I have a life to lead as opposed to a death to angonise over. If there's any justice in this world I'll be sat in a sauna with god and a few angels tending to our needs.

susie -> RE: Why do you believe in what fate awaits you? (7/11/2009 4:44:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia As a Believer I totally believe in what my fate will be. [:)] Here are a few questions I hope someone will answer for me. If you do NOT believe in GOD, who do you pray to? Seriously, WHO are you praying to? I mean if you are serious, who do you expect help from? the air? the grass? satan? a rock? the man in the mirror? the man in the moon? seriously now? Also, why do soooooooooooooooo many people that claim NOT to believe in GOD/a higher power/etc. when in deep sh*t or are in bad shape, say things like "Please GOD, Help me GOD, and other similar things? I especially want to know who people are praying to when they do not believe in a higher power. I have seen/heard people especially on HERE, that go on and on and on about saying they are not believers, there is no such thing as GOD, ad naseum... Then I see them telling others they are praying for them. That always floors me, I am like what? [8\|] I really, really want to know who/or what they are praying to. Thank you. I don't pray at all. I don't believe in god or any other religious nonsense as I see it. For me there is this life and you should make the most of it while you are alive. No afterlife just this one. I feel sorry for some of the people I have spoken to who spend much of thier time focused on what they perceive as the "next life". Make the most of this one. You never know how long you have.

kdsub -> RE: Why do you believe in what fate awaits you? (7/11/2009 9:27:56 AM)
I don't think it is whack-o at all.... Imagine a race that has solved all the mysteries of the universe... they are now blessed with life as long as they wish. Physical bodies no longer bind them… But damn after a few hundred thousand years of nothing new or unknown it would get real boring....soooo They get an idea... hey lets reborn ourselves so we can live a life without the infinite knowledge...can experience love, fear, and wonder...Experience the joy of discovery all over again. They could do this over and over with new experiences with each existence. So the bottom-line perhaps heaven is where we are…not where we wish to go. Butch

FullCircle -> RE: Why do you believe in what fate awaits you? (7/11/2009 10:00:23 AM)
quote: I know people have been talking about God, Jesus and other beliefs etc. Not much on satan, but I was wondering why do you believe in what will happen to you when you leave this planet? Nobody leaves the planet, people die. I believe I will cease to exist simply because I have no evidence anything else will happen and no reason to think a billion souls that died before me are floating around on a higher plane. If you favour the idea of heaven which is more pleasurable than a life on earth you kind of have to ask yourself why innocent people don’t start out in heaven? Some say this is to do with original sin, the sins of others. So God punishes you for the sins of others by forcing you to live this lesser life on earth and prove yourself worthy of a life in heaven afterwards. I don’t believe this nonsense it is rather twisted to call the miracle of existence a lesser thing than an unproven fantasy world. Religious people face the world with the wrong idea because if you feel heaven is so wonderful what would stop you from wishing your life away similar to those that constantly look forward to the weekend ignorant of the reality that this is two days out of seven in your life. I don’t believe in heaven because it means rating something magical above that of reality. quote: One person on here once told me he was going in the ground as fertilizer. I asked him how he got here in the first place and his response was an organism? Not sure what that meant, but am curious your what feelings are. In the food chain microbes are above us and below us thus because of this I don’t even have to wonder why we exist as we are obviously no more special than the bacteria that’ll eat us when we die. Life is the miracle that turns an electrochemical device such as the brain into a soul and death is the thing that turns that off and allows it to be eaten by bacteria. I know which dream world I’d rather cling to. Those people that believe they were Cleopatra in their previous life can’t even find the reality that Cleopatra was one person not half a dozen. Just their way of coping with the fear of not existing anymore or the fear of being forgotten.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Why do you believe in what fate awaits you? (7/11/2009 10:01:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub . They could do this over and over with new experiences with each existence. So the bottom-line perhaps heaven is where we are…not where we wish to go. Butch "Heaven is a place where nothing, nothing ever happens."

autoRelease -> RE: Why do you believe in what fate awaits you? (7/11/2009 7:50:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Belief and hope are interchangeable in your context. What could be more depressing then an uncaring universe and oblivion? If that is the case then what is the use in our basic tenets? Love...honesty...self-sacrifice…charity…all that is good about us would be for not. All our good deeds would be for nothing on the universal scale. Our existence would be but a flicker of time… meaningless. I truly to not understand this viewpoint. I know this sounds corny but haven't you seen It's A Wonderful Life? Everyone's lives have meaning to the people around them. Some people even get remembered for their deeds long after they're dead. Why do you need more than that? Why does meaning only count if it's metaphysical in nature? There's nothing depressing about oblivion either. Oblivion is not being a spirit floating around in a dark, silent void. It is not existing, and if you don't exist you can't be sorry you don't exist. You can't be lonely, or afraid, or regretful, or bored, because you don't exist.You can't be upset that there is no afterlife, because you don't exist. Oblivion is the opposite of "I think, therefore I am." Oblivion is nothing to fear because it IS nothing. If you believe in oblivion, the only bad thing about death is that it's the end of living. No need to worry about what comes after. (Not that I believe in oblivion, or anything else... How should I know what happens after death? I can't know so I don't worry about it).

LotusSong -> RE: Why do you believe in what fate awaits you? (7/11/2009 8:57:32 PM)
I'd rather live my life beliving in God, Heaven and Hell and die to find out they do not exist than to not believe and find out they do.

Ialdabaoth -> RE: Why do you believe in what fate awaits you? (7/11/2009 10:54:44 PM)
I believe, in the deepest parts of my heart, that I'm going to Hell. I believe the Hell is an eternity of infinite torment. I believe that "infinite torment" means just that - torment so horrendous and indescribable that nothing can possibly compare to it, that there is no way to block it out, and that every moment will feel so indescribably horrific that you will be incapable of doing anything but wishing you had never been created. I believe this, because I was raised to believe that the Bible was the purely literal word of God. As I continued to develop, I was taught that dinosaur bones were put in the earth to trap those who think too much. I was taught that the Earth was made to "appear" spherical, so that those who think too much would be deceived and stop placing all their faith in the holiness of God, and try to think for themselves. I think too much. I was told at a very early age that I think too much, and that I need to stop if I want to stay right with Jesus. I've never been able to stop. I hate how much I think. I hate how often I'll realize something that people don't want to admit to themselves, and I'll know that I've given away that I see it. Understandably, this doesn't make me very many friends. I came to realize, later in life, that multiple different accounts each say they are the one true way to believe, and each of them will send you to Hell for believing the wrong one - including believing other conflicting versions of the same account. Since it's impossible for a limited being such as myself to know which one to believe, I can't simply accept that a fallible being such as myself has guessed right. See that right there? That's called "lack of faith", and I was taught that damns you to Hell quicker than anything else. So, no matter which way is true, I'm fucked. I stay up late at night worrying about this.

LotusSong -> RE: Why do you believe in what fate awaits you? (7/12/2009 7:48:11 AM)
So Sister Mary Catherine did a number on you too????? [:D] quote: ORIGINAL: Ialdabaoth I believe, in the deepest parts of my heart, that I'm going to Hell. I believe the Hell is an eternity of infinite torment. I believe that "infinite torment" means just that - torment so horrendous and indescribable that nothing can possibly compare to it, that there is no way to block it out, and that every moment will feel so indescribably horrific that you will be incapable of doing anything but wishing you had never been created. I believe this, because I was raised to believe that the Bible was the purely literal word of God. As I continued to develop, I was taught that dinosaur bones were put in the earth to trap those who think too much. I was taught that the Earth was made to "appear" spherical, so that those who think too much would be deceived and stop placing all their faith in the holiness of God, and try to think for themselves. I think too much. I was told at a very early age that I think too much, and that I need to stop if I want to stay right with Jesus. I've never been able to stop. I hate how much I think. I hate how often I'll realize something that people don't want to admit to themselves, and I'll know that I've given away that I see it. Understandably, this doesn't make me very many friends. I came to realize, later in life, that multiple different accounts each say they are the one true way to believe, and each of them will send you to Hell for believing the wrong one - including believing other conflicting versions of the same account. Since it's impossible for a limited being such as myself to know which one to believe, I can't simply accept that a fallible being such as myself has guessed right. See that right there? That's called "lack of faith", and I was taught that damns you to Hell quicker than anything else. So, no matter which way is true, I'm fucked. I stay up late at night worrying about this.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Why do you believe in what fate awaits you? (7/12/2009 11:38:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LotusSong I'd rather live my life beliving in God, Heaven and Hell and die to find out they do not exist than to not believe and find out they do. Just a restatement of Pascal's Wager, which doesn't hold water.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Why do you believe in what fate awaits you? (7/12/2009 11:40:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ialdabaoth I believe, in the deepest parts of my heart, that I'm going to Hell. I believe the Hell is an eternity of infinite torment. I believe that "infinite torment" means just that - torment so horrendous and indescribable that nothing can possibly compare to it, that there is no way to block it out, and that every moment will feel so indescribably horrific that you will be incapable of doing anything but wishing you had never been created. I believe this, because I was raised to believe that the Bible was the purely literal word of God. As I continued to develop, I was taught that dinosaur bones were put in the earth to trap those who think too much. I was taught that the Earth was made to "appear" spherical, so that those who think too much would be deceived and stop placing all their faith in the holiness of God, and try to think for themselves. I think too much. I was told at a very early age that I think too much, and that I need to stop if I want to stay right with Jesus. I've never been able to stop. I hate how much I think. I hate how often I'll realize something that people don't want to admit to themselves, and I'll know that I've given away that I see it. Understandably, this doesn't make me very many friends. I came to realize, later in life, that multiple different accounts each say they are the one true way to believe, and each of them will send you to Hell for believing the wrong one - including believing other conflicting versions of the same account. Since it's impossible for a limited being such as myself to know which one to believe, I can't simply accept that a fallible being such as myself has guessed right. See that right there? That's called "lack of faith", and I was taught that damns you to Hell quicker than anything else. So, no matter which way is true, I'm fucked. I stay up late at night worrying about this. Why worry about things you can't control? Or did I miss some irony?

GotSteel -> RE: Why do you believe in what fate awaits you? (7/12/2009 7:21:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 Personally, I'm agnostic, and I don't pray. However, whether or not there is a God or diety of any kind I do still believe there is a certain power to prayer. How can that be? Whether created or evolved I think the human mind has many abilities that we are barely aware of or that we don't recognize or understand. Prayer, as in meditation, is simply a focusing of those mental powers and/or abilities. When a church group gathers to pray for someone that is deathly sick, and that person experiences a "miracle" and gets well...was the prayer answered by God, or could it be that the combined mental force generated by a number of minds focused on a single thought or idea might have triggered whatever was needed for the sick individual to make a recovery? I'm sure I don't know...but that is why I do think there is power in prayer even if I may not exactly believe in God. No sometimes people get better, trying to give prayer the credit doesn't seem to hold up: http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/04.06/05-prayer.html

Brain -> RE: Why do you believe in what fate awaits you? (7/12/2009 8:04:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: susie quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia As a Believer I totally believe in what my fate will be. [:)] Here are a few questions I hope someone will answer for me. If you do NOT believe in GOD, who do you pray to? Seriously, WHO are you praying to? I mean if you are serious, who do you expect help from? the air? the grass? satan? a rock? the man in the mirror? the man in the moon? seriously now? Also, why do soooooooooooooooo many people that claim NOT to believe in GOD/a higher power/etc. when in deep sh*t or are in bad shape, say things like "Please GOD, Help me GOD, and other similar things? I especially want to know who people are praying to when they do not believe in a higher power. I have seen/heard people especially on HERE, that go on and on and on about saying they are not believers, there is no such thing as GOD, ad naseum... Then I see them telling others they are praying for them. That always floors me, I am like what? [8\|] I really, really want to know who/or what they are praying to. Thank you. I don't pray at all. I don't believe in god or any other religious nonsense as I see it. For me there is this life and you should make the most of it while you are alive. No afterlife just this one. I feel sorry for some of the people I have spoken to who spend much of thier time focused on what they perceive as the "next life". Make the most of this one. You never know how long you have. I don’t believe in fate or destiny. I don’t believe in God. I believe in myself and my own free will. If you listen to this YouTube video it will answer your questions. It’s comedy but it’s also the truth. George Carlin is the best comedian ever by far, I think he won 23 Grammys and nobody has come close to him. George Carlin - Religion is bullshit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o If you want to know how life started on Earth watch this video Evolution Deep Sea Vents and Life's Origins http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JzUgi6YNlY This lecture by a Prof. at the University of California further explains how life was created and evolved. The Diversity of Development: Embryos and Evolution http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UbpL83oJNo&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Euctv%2Etv%2Fsearch%2Ddetails%2Easpx%3FshowID%3D13545&feature=player_embedded Finally, this brief video explains the beginning of the universe and it’s based on facts. By facts I mean pictures from telescopes and satellites so it’s real. The Birth of the Universe Big Bang and Beyond http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSZqhqR5XKMhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSZqhqR5XKM

Ialdabaoth -> RE: Why do you believe in what fate awaits you? (7/13/2009 12:26:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brain Finally, this brief video explains the beginning of the universe and it’s based on facts. By facts I mean pictures from telescopes and satellites so it’s real. The Birth of the Universe Big Bang and Beyond http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSZqhqR5XKMhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSZqhqR5XKM Before anyone accepts this as fact: Can you prove that satellites are real? Can you prove that telescopes actually work? Can you prove that "proving" things makes them true? If not, then your "facts" will forever be unable to compete with faith.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Why do you believe in what fate awaits you? (7/13/2009 11:24:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: intenze We don't leave the universe, at least the physical part of us. All matter and energy are finite and are not created or destroyed. When I go, the atoms that make up me will just go do something else. In that way, we are all immortal. This is not a correct interpretation of our understanding of nature, if you were trying to take a scientific approach. Matter and energy are interchangeable and convertible from one to the other. Moreover matter CAN be created and detroyed and that is happening constantly as "nothing" separates into its matter and anti-matter components and then recombines. One theory is that process was responsbile for the Big Bang, as matter and anti-matter separated with enough distance that they didnt recombine, and the stable matter component prevailed in the form of the universe and unstable anti-matter decayed. So while we may all be immortal, that immortality may only be in the form of "nothingness", which seems to defeat the concept of immortality.

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