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Paranoia ! - 7/10/2009 5:36:39 AM   
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 Paranoia, definition from the Merriam-Webster online dictionary ;
Main Entry: para·noia Pronunciation:  \ˌper-ə-ˈnȯi-ə, ˌpa-rə-\
Function: noun
Etymology; New Latin, from Greek, madness, from paranous demented, from para- + nous mind
Date: circa 1811

1 : a psychosis characterized by systematized delusions of persecution or grandeur usually without hallucinations

2 : a tendency on the part of an individual or group toward excessive or irrational suspiciousness and distrustfulness of other


Paranoia, well the definition is outlined above, but if you just type in the word ' Paranoia ' into a web search engine, you are greeted with information pertaining to mental illness.

But, Paranoia, is it really part of our make up, a remenant of past survival skills, could paranoia really be the result of reasoned and processed feelings on a subject and that reasoning based upon a person's education.

Could paranoia actually be useful to us in today's society, or are we to believe wholly what we are told and suspect nothing untoward?

Is it a useful skill to have the ability to be paranoid in some circumstances or is it a mental illness that needs stamping out ?

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RE: Paranoia ! - 7/10/2009 5:43:01 AM   
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Does this thread have something to do with me? You're just making fun of me right?

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RE: Paranoia ! - 7/10/2009 5:47:33 AM   
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The closest I get to paranoia is being a hypochondriac. Everytime I get some unexplainable ailment, sore, etc, I instantly think I have some major disease. My left foot swelled up like a balloon this past week to the point I could harldy walk on it. I didn't remember banging it into anything or spraining my ankle. Of course, that's not unusal. I will often do things like that and keep on working. I'll forget about it later. So not remembering what I did. I started looking in those online medical journals, which is something I really shouldn't do. Well I thought I may have gout . See I told you. I am a heavy drinker which can cause gout; of course I'm not that heavy, but I think I am. So I went to the doctor, and I had tests run. Guess what? Sprained ankle . I do that all the time. Again, because I think I am a heavy drinker, I thought I was developing cirrosis of the liver when I had stomach cramps once. Again....to the Doc's office. Diagnosis: diarrea. My doctor thinks it's mildly amusing, he says I'm not as bad as others. He doesn't have to give me placebos ever. But I am slightly paranoid about my health.

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RE: Paranoia ! - 7/10/2009 5:48:29 AM   
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you two ganged up JUST to make this thread seem innocent enough, but I won't be fooled.

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RE: Paranoia ! - 7/10/2009 5:50:20 AM   
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oh, it's you THREE, is it, with slave boy like an ebay sniper getting in RIGHT BEFORE ME, AY?

Well I will have none of it. NONE of it, I TELL YOU!!!

/runs off to write a tell-all book co-written with the Palin daughter ex-boyfriend-tard

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RE: Paranoia ! - 7/10/2009 5:53:03 AM   
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I'd fit the 2nd in the definitions listing. 
There is the old addage of 'just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you'. 
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RE: Paranoia ! - 7/10/2009 5:59:51 AM   
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you're in on it too!

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RE: Paranoia ! - 7/10/2009 6:01:57 AM   
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quote:

But, Paranoia, is it really part of our make up, a remenant of past survival skills, could paranoia really be the result of reasoned and processed feelings on a subject and that reasoning based upon a person's education.

Could paranoia actually be useful to us in today's society, or are we to believe wholly what we are told and suspect nothing untoward?

Is it a useful skill to have the ability to be paranoid in some circumstances or is it a mental illness that needs stamping out ?


I think it's neither, and it's both. As you say, it's an evolutionary trait that puts us on our guard in potentially dangerous situations. I tend to think that paranoia is more of a liability than an asset in today's society, because the human mind is always looking for patterns in chaos, and when you add that to our predisposition to paranoia, you get people seeing patterns that don't really exist and reorienting their entire lives toward defending themselves against threats that don't really exist. I think that the more chaotic the world becomes, the more paranoid people become in general. In a simpler world, people are not as overwhelmed by so much random, meaningless input, and they can process the information  more rationally and more objectively.


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RE: Paranoia ! - 7/10/2009 6:07:43 AM   
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RE: Paranoia ! - 7/10/2009 6:09:10 AM   
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I find paranoia useful, for it makes me check things, things I might not have checked, I make sure things are right, by expecting them to be wrong, go wrong etc. The result is, a certain amount of paranoia makes me ready for things that come to pass.

My last job, machine repair, yeah, I was paranoid about the machinery I worked on, all manner of lethal machines, I expected the thing would go wrong, so I checked the parts where my paranoia was directing my interest to. The result was, never in ten years did my machines suffer a breakdown, whereas other machines worked on by others fell apart at the drop of a hat, sometimes lethally so, like steel brushcutter blades detaching and spinning off in some direction, often never to be seen again. I was slow at my job, but the paranoia made me so, bt the machines I guaranteed safe to use and efficient at their use.


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RE: Paranoia ! - 7/10/2009 6:12:54 AM   
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your pic is too dark.

I mistrust you too.

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RE: Paranoia ! - 7/10/2009 6:14:23 AM   
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Don't blame me, the dark took it.

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RE: Paranoia ! - 7/10/2009 6:16:21 AM   
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quote:

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I find paranoia useful, for it makes me check things, things I might not have checked, I make sure things are right, by expecting them to be wrong, go wrong etc. The result is, a certain amount of paranoia makes me ready for things that come to pass.

My last job, machine repair, yeah, I was paranoid about the machinery I worked on, all manner of lethal machines, I expected the thing would go wrong, so I checked the parts where my paranoia was directing my interest to. The result was, never in ten years did my machines suffer a breakdown, whereas other machines worked on by others fell apart at the drop of a hat, sometimes lethally so, like steel brushcutter blades detaching and spinning off in some direction, often never to be seen again. I was slow at my job, but the paranoia made me so, bt the machines I guaranteed safe to use and efficient at their use.



But I'm not sure that's really paranoia. It just sounds like extreme caution to me. You knew the machinery was potentially very dangerous, so you were exceptionally careful. Your fear, while perhaps extreme, was not irrational.

And that points out the problem with discussing paranoia - where is the line between an extreme (but rational) sense of caution, and the irrational fear that is paranoia? There really is no line. One man's caution is another man's paranoia. I'm sure a lot of the people you worked with thought you were being paranoid, but you probably thought a lot of them were being reckless.


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RE: Paranoia ! - 7/10/2009 6:17:11 AM   
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The Dark takes everything, the light, our souls, EVERYTHING, I tell you!!!







































oh wait, you meant the cool member of this board, didntcha?

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RE: Paranoia ! - 7/10/2009 6:17:21 AM   
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What are you two doing, talking about me for.... huh..... huh?????

 
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RE: Paranoia ! - 7/10/2009 6:19:43 AM   
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I find paranoia useful, for it makes me check things, things I might not have checked, I make sure things are right, by expecting them to be wrong, go wrong etc. The result is, a certain amount of paranoia makes me ready for things that come to pass.

My last job, machine repair, yeah, I was paranoid about the machinery I worked on, all manner of lethal machines, I expected the thing would go wrong, so I checked the parts where my paranoia was directing my interest to. The result was, never in ten years did my machines suffer a breakdown, whereas other machines worked on by others fell apart at the drop of a hat, sometimes lethally so, like steel brushcutter blades detaching and spinning off in some direction, often never to be seen again. I was slow at my job, but the paranoia made me so, bt the machines I guaranteed safe to use and efficient at their use.



But I'm not sure that's really paranoia. It just sounds like extreme caution to me. You knew the machinery was potentially very dangerous, so you were exceptionally careful. Your fear, while perhaps extreme, was not irrational.

And that points out the problem with discussing paranoia - where is the line between an extreme (but rational) sense of caution, and the irrational fear that is paranoia? There really is no line. One man's caution is another man's paranoia. I'm sure a lot of the people you worked with thought you were being paranoid, but you probably thought a lot of them were being reckless.



Hmm, Interesting, it is perhaps again a matter of perspective and people, their perspectives often do not coincide. The world is indeed chaos.


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RE: Paranoia ! - 7/10/2009 6:19:55 AM   
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LOOK!  it's got the PADLOCK ALL READY FOR ME!



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RE: Paranoia ! - 7/10/2009 6:20:51 AM   
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One can think themself into a box.   and yes- that can be bad.

The TV doesn't help. 

Some amount of fear is good, but so much that it consumes a person from living renders it - in of itself to be a problem.

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RE: Paranoia ! - 7/10/2009 6:21:17 AM   
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For me if the heightened awareness of possible problems etc assists you in keeping safe without impacting on your daily life it is not a problem but when it starts to encroach on your ability to enjoy and live your life it becomes a problem.

For example, a person who is safety conscious and doesn't walk alone on dark streets at night - I would see that as a useful behaviour

Someone who never goes anywhere on their own because they are afraid they will get robbed/raped/murdered - not so useful behaviour

For me it is about a matter of degrees I guess and the livability a person has in their lives.  If this enables them to still live a rich and fulfilling life then great, if it causes avoidance of things for fear of what could happen - not so good and may benefit from being addressed.


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RE: Paranoia ! - 7/10/2009 6:28:16 AM   
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nOW YOU MONSTERS HAVE WOVEN WANDERS INTO YOUR THREAD OF paris destructive deceit and degradation!

(Dr. Smith voice):  "Ohhhh the pain, the painnnnnnnn......"

I told the man on the other end of the hidden mike secreted behind the glass of the mirrors that you bastards would get e in the end.

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