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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/18/2006 10:59:56 AM   
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You post may have been appropriate for that forum, but it was an insult to the Dominas on this forum. Probably best to agree that you should play in your yard and I will play in Mine.
*Biting tongue to keep from typing what I really want to say*


You are correct. I should not have even followed the OP here. I appreciate and admire your restraint, and apologise to those that may have been insulted.



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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/18/2006 11:07:38 AM   
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is that they disallow and are at best rude to anyone who doesn't follow their belief - as shown by the gorean who made an appearance here; at worst, they exclude others and/or become violent (think about all the attacks/firebombings/other things that have happened to gay bars, ethnic hangouts, and other places).


Good day,
I can appreciatge your sentiments, and opinion of me based on my response. I don't however understand what gives you idea that you post above. I personally accept Dominant women, (for those that actually are) there are a few on this forum that I respect a great deal. I also accept gays and lesbians so its not about shunning those that don't believe as I do.
I do admittedly have a problem with fem men. Thats "my" problem and I don't expect others to deal with it.

I'm normally quite polite and understanding till poled with a stick. Once done, well.... Nuff said

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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/18/2006 11:10:21 AM   
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For you to follow the post here and answer the way you did strikes me as the pot calling the kettle black.


Not to that extreme.. But, agreed, nonetheless.

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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/19/2006 3:24:45 AM   
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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/19/2006 5:50:58 AM   
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I agree with MysticalPhoenix, the idea of "supremacy" creeps Me out--because for every group deemed supreme, there is another group waiting to take its place---

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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/19/2006 7:29:22 AM   
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May I point out that all of your responses were from that perspective, Michael. I know of several Gorean Masters who are delightful posters to this 'Ask a Mistress" Board. Unfortunately, you have shown that you are not one of them.
You post may have been appropriate for that forum, but it was an insult to the Dominas on this forum. Probably best to agree that you should play in your yard and I will play in Mine.


Go Dusty! & "Ditto"....TM

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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/19/2006 9:12:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Webmaster60

You are correct. I should not have even followed the OP here. I appreciate and admire your restraint, and apologise to those that may have been insulted.



*Nods and smiles to Webmaster60*
You have shown yourself to be gracious, Michael. And that is always appreciated.

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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/19/2006 11:10:35 AM   
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It's something that has never appealed to us, in any way - not only because we aren't actually lesbians, but because we find the idea that one gender is superior to the other to be rather absurd.


I agree with that sentiment.

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i to agree with this. to me i don't think because of your gender that you are superior. to me it is your mind and will to domanait that make you superior. to me male or female supremacy is a mith.

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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/19/2006 11:34:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: philipsub

Hi, i am a strong believer in the natural supremacy of Females over males and would be interested in hearing views from others on this. How strong is the psychological bond when a slave male serves a gynarchist lesbian couple? The gynarchist principle removes any "hope" that the males desires will be given consideration as part of the power exchange. Very powerful and magnetic?
Do you agree?


Sounds about right to me! <s>

But seriously, I know FS lesbian couples who own males and have a great loving bond with him. The type of sexual activity varies from couple to couple.

I'm not interested in having a relationship with a man the same way, however if I own a slave that slave serves me at any capacity I see fit.

FS is a big picture and very misunderstood. I'll need to come back when I'm not on a lap top to write my views.

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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/19/2006 12:01:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is a post I made after some flaming about FS on another board so if the ending appears I am making accusations here, I am not. I think this pretty much sums up my views. Thanks, DV

I fully understand the negative comments and suggestions that FS is solely about gender superiority. Please try to have an open-mind and look at this objectively. It’s merely a point of view.


On some levels I agree and deep within my spirit long for equality, however things are not equal. They haven’t been for many many moons. Women have been forced to take the back seat and during some periods treated as second class beings. All of this was an attempt to control the obvious; men were powerless over the sexual charms of women. A woman who recognized her sexuality was considered dangerous or even killed. I don’t want to get into a lengthy history or feministic debate. I think that we all know and agree that woman have been thought of as the lesser sex.

Many FS women believe that in order for there to be true balance among the sexes there must be an extreme shift in polarity. This is really no different then one who submits to an extreme scene, diving into levels of darkness to achieve balance. The men who are drawn to FS feel something inside…a gnawing ache and they look around in the world and something just doesn’t feel right. They’re stressed, scared and they feel like they don’t fit into the consensus male rule. Deep down they don’t feel worthy of women and many will objectify women, perhaps unconsciously with fetishes. There are many reasons why a man feels the need and desire to submit to a woman. The point is that it brings him great sexual relief and for many a sense of well being.

FS is purely female domination but on a more natural and spiritual scale. It is a way of life just like D/s can be a lifestyle for some people. They are taboo cultures of people who find peace and comfort creating and living in a world they choose. The men who serve women ongoing do so because nothing else in this world brings them more peace and happiness. They truly do exist to please her. The women who are served have no desire to step into what is considered “normal” relationships because they too find peace and happiness in this world.

FS is a dynamic. To strictly say that it is about prejudice or that women are better then men is just not true. The rituals and games we play may allow us the chance to express and partake in extreme because all parties chose to enjoy this. Like “Old Guard” with titles and protocol it has structure and meaning helping to guide that consciousness. A male submissive is valued and prized. The men that serve or have served were the closest people in my life. Any male I have established that bond with remains part of me even if he moves on into other relationships. It truly is a spiritual process for us and it never dies.

Sure I can be cruel, difficult and unreasonable. These traits have nothing to do with FS. They are aspects of my personality and I feel the most comfortable sharing them with the people who adore and worship me. Why? Because they are gifts no different then the man who crawls and grovels at my feet. We exchange something very powerful because it is embedded in our hearts. We do the dance and that is the dynamic I’m speaking about. These rituals give him a greater sense of himself and bring him happiness.

The men that serve me are not weak, but no means. They are very strong and capable. You all know this already because only a real man could subjugate against all ridicule for the woman he adores. Don’t take that as any man. There are men who have no need and desire to submit to a woman. There are also men who fear submitting but enjoy the sexual release. The men I’m talking about are men that need a whole lot more.

This post was more about proving a point then anything else. I’ve dealt with this subject for years and I’ve heard all the same responses. There are many who agree that would never step up and post because the ridicule is too great. Many will cling to the word Supremacy and without any investigation it becomes dirty. It’s like the book I’m writing; “The Feminine Manifesto: The Art of Sexual Power” everyone tells me I should change the word manifesto and the reason is because of some works called “The Scum Manifesto” . Meanwhile the book I’m writing has barely nothing to do with FS but my desire to express myself this way and the words Manifesto will lead many to believe that it is.

The point remains that no matter where you go; even amongst other kinky people you’ll find prejudice and ridicule. I find this a contradiction of sorts and it completely violates our right of choice.


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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/20/2006 2:55:44 AM   
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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/20/2006 3:03:58 AM   
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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/20/2006 9:04:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Webmaster60

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is that they disallow and are at best rude to anyone who doesn't follow their belief - as shown by the gorean who made an appearance here; at worst, they exclude others and/or become violent (think about all the attacks/firebombings/other things that have happened to gay bars, ethnic hangouts, and other places).


Good day,
I can appreciatge your sentiments, and opinion of me based on my response. I don't however understand what gives you idea that you post above. I personally accept Dominant women, (for those that actually are) there are a few on this forum that I respect a great deal. I also accept gays and lesbians so its not about shunning those that don't believe as I do.
I do admittedly have a problem with fem men. Thats "my" problem and I don't expect others to deal with it.

I'm normally quite polite and understanding till poled with a stick. Once done, well.... Nuff said

Respectfully,


I was referring specifically to your rudeness on this forum - and the fact that you made some derogetory statements about Female Dominants ... then after referring to you, I moved on to exclusion and violence. Please read the statement as typed, not as you want to see it.

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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/21/2006 9:50:07 AM   
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I was referring specifically to your rudeness on this forum - and the fact that you made some derogetory statements about Female Dominants ... then after referring to you, I moved on to exclusion and violence. Please read the statement as typed, not as you want to see it.


I would not have responded to this post, save for the fact that you indicate that I have somehow misread/misrepresented your words.. So I will RE read the statement (as typed) and please tell me where I've been in error.

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is that they disallow and are at best rude to anyone who doesn't follow their belief - as shown by the gorean who made an appearance here(this statement putting myself in the "they" position); at worst, they exclude others and/or become violent (think about all the attacks/firebombings/other things that have happened to gay bars, ethnic hangouts, and other places).


I'm "reasonably" intelligent. You illustrated who "they" are (as shown by the gorean who made an appearance here) and in the first part speak of "at best", then continue on speaking of "at worst". This naturally indicates a continuation of the previous thought (at best/at worst). I'm sorry, please show me where I've failed to differentiate between where you WERE talking about me (they) and where you stopped making the comparrison. ("then after referring to you, I moved on")..

This is NOT my forum area, and I do NOT wish to continue to stir the pot. If you'd actually like some discussion, please mail me offline as I do not wish to continue to walk where I am not wanted.
Be well

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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/21/2006 10:08:30 AM   
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I'm "reasonably" intelligent. You illustrated who "they" are (as shown by the gorean who made an appearance here) and in the first part speak of "at best", then continue on speaking of "at worst". This naturally indicates a continuation of the previous thought (at best/at worst). I'm sorry, please show me where I've failed to differentiate between where you WERE talking about me (they) and where you stopped making the comparrison. ("then after referring to you, I moved on").



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My issue with most supremacists (of any variety - male, female, arian, left-handers, whatever) is that they disallow and are at best rude to anyone who doesn't follow their belief -


As you claim to be reasonably intelligent, perhaps you can understand that 'they' meant the supremacists. 'You' were only given as a contextual example of someone who, obviously, is a supremacist being rude .. this was done to emphasis her point that 'at best,' this is the action which supremacists' take and it was applicable to the situation in which 'you' were involved. Then the post went on to speak of worst case scenarios, and had nothing to do with 'you' but just about supremacists in general.

Try to look at the post as if the world doesn't revolve around you and maybe you'll get it.

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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/28/2006 12:11:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: blackpearl81

Hmm…

I know what I want to say, just unsure how to say it...

But… here goes…

I agree wholeheartedly with Jasmyn’s post, that “one who can and does inspire ... each and every FemDom has this part to her... it is what draws the moth to the flame. Even the man who professes no interest in female supremacy will seek a fem Dom who is superior to all in his eyes. He's worshipping your womanhood as much as he is worshipping you. You are his Goddess whether you want him to worship you as a Goddess or not.”

In response to this, I think that there could very well be deeper, underlying tones for how someone feels regarding this. For example… through centuries (correct me if I’m wrong, chances are I am, but it would be cool if someone would/could back me up with this) There have been thousands upon thousands of references to “Mother Earth” ( a.k.a Gaia)

Women in general have been seen as a giver of life, a protector, and in a lot of cases, a Goddess and this has been seen in not only Greek civililization, but others as well (Celtic, Norse, and Sumerian to name a few)

While I don’t believe in Female Supremacy per se, Women DO have this submissives utmost adoration, mainly because I relate to my above statement.

Hope this helps

*BP*



Well said. You are cute as a button BTW.

I keep trying to find the orginal post this quote was made in but can't...

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My issue with most supremacists (of any variety - male, female, arian, left-handers, whatever) is that they disallow and are at best rude to anyone who doesn't follow their belief -




Wow, do you really think so? I don’t. I think that you have people who are passionately fueled by their agenda & to them it remains law. The people who DON’T have blinders, live and let live, you rarely hear from them because in essence it doesn’t really matter. I learned a long time ago when to halt battle with ignorance. It does nothing but waste time.

I know my belief in FS is extreme but what can I say… I’m a complex woman & these views happen to work for me. I’m not really angry at the world nor do I feel the need to convert anyone into my thinking. As Blackpearl so eloquently put it, it’s a matter of preference… when two like souls collide it becomes a dance. If not keep searching.






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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/28/2006 2:57:33 PM   
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My issue with most supremacists (of any variety - male, female, arian, left-handers, whatever) is that they disallow and are at best rude to anyone who doesn't follow their belief -


Wow, do you really think so? I don’t. I think that you have people who are passionately fueled by their agenda & to them it remains law. The people who DON’T have blinders, live and let live, you rarely hear from them because in essence it doesn’t really matter. I learned a long time ago when to halt battle with ignorance. It does nothing but waste time.

I know my belief in FS is extreme but what can I say… I’m a complex woman & these views happen to work for me. I’m not really angry at the world nor do I feel the need to convert anyone into my thinking. As Blackpearl so eloquently put it, it’s a matter of preference… when two like souls collide it becomes a dance. If not keep searching.



Yeah, I do think so. Keep in mind that I specifically said "most" - I would say that 80% of the ones I've run across have been of the mind set of "my way is the ONE TRUE WAY and all others must follow my way, no matter what their beliefs are, no matter what their preferences are, no matter what anyone else says, thinks or does - my way is RIGHT." Now, that does leave 20% that I have met (and a whole ton of others that I haven't met) who have been wonderful, non-judgemental (with respect to other's beliefs) people - and I am so glad to have met those people ... even if I don't agree with them on some things.

I'm counting those that I have met online and off - people that I have heard about online and off. In the lifestyle, it amazes me how many munch groups out there are negative towards most male submissives and young female Dominants ... and there are more than a few who are negative towards all male submissives and all female Dominants - basically, you aren't a Male with a female (or a Female with a female) so you are not welcome here. And it works both ways - while there are proportionally many fewer groups that actually cater to F/m dynamics, there are still those that are openly antagonistic to M/f dynamics.

Then there are the "elitists" of non-WIIWD venues - anti-gays, anti-blacks, anti-whites, anti-hispanics, anti-male, anti-female, anti-"anything-that-isn't-me" ... and very few of them that you hear about, read about, or actually meet are tollerant of any view other than their own. They have to put down anyone that not only doesn't fit their ideal, but doesn't agree with their ideal. They have to attack anything that isn't 'on their side' ... It bothers me.

It isn't just Female Supremacy that bothers me, far far from it. Honestly, it's one of the most benign "supremacy theories" that I've run across ... but it does still bother me - not so much that I'm going to talk people out of it, or try to force them to change their minds, but I am going to state my mind, and hope that they can at least see where I'm coming from. I've had 'submissives' try to convince me that FS is the only way to live as a FemDom - and I explained our stand on it. Some of them never did get it, some of them did - life goes on. If even one of them got it through his head that not all FemDoms like the idea of FS and didn't try to push it onto the next FemDom that he talked to, then I'm happy.

To each his/her own, I'm not going to stop anyone from practicing/living/playing with FS - as long as they don't belong to us LOL - but please understand where I am coming from with my past experiences and those that I have gleaned from others.

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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 3/1/2006 5:14:58 AM   
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It isn't just Female Supremacy that bothers me, far far from it. Honestly, it's one of the most benign "supremacy theories" that I've run across ... but it does still bother me - not so much that I'm going to talk people out of it, or try to force them to change their minds, but I am going to state my mind, and hope that they can at least see where I'm coming from. I've had 'submissives' try to convince me that FS is the only way to live as a FemDom - and I explained our stand on it. Some of them never did get it, some of them did - life goes on. If even one of them got it through his head that not all FemDoms like the idea of FS and didn't try to push it onto the next FemDom that he talked to, then I'm happy.

To each his/her own, I'm not going to stop anyone from practicing/living/playing with FS - as long as they don't belong to us LOL - but please understand where I am coming from with my past experiences and those that I have gleaned from others.


I understand what you’re saying. Here’s another point of view…

If I said to people I am a Witch. Some would get it while others would struggle with the word or misunderstand its meaning, right? Some might ask, “Are you a white witch or black witch?”

There is a spiritual writer/pagan by the name of Starhawk who wrote something once about the word witch. I don’t remember the exact words she used because it was many moons ago. It said that to proudly use the word regardless of its negative connotations. “That” in itself is the reward one must earn to surmount controversy and learn to be tolerant with prejudices.

I know I posted in another thread a long lengthy article I wish you would read. FS is more symbolic then anything else. It uses feminine priorities to balance and not to extinguish the male gender. In order to achieve the right dynamic the ritual, words and protocol must be experienced. I’ve often thought about changing the word Supremacy and in my new book I introduce a new concept, however for now the people who know know.

I hope this makes sense.

I love the way you respectfully debate. It shows that you are truly a woman worthy of your position. Thank you.

GDV



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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 3/1/2006 6:25:17 AM   
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It said that to proudly use the word regardless of its negative connotations. “That” in itself is the reward one must earn to surmount controversy and learn to be tolerant with prejudices.


She's an intelligent woman StarHawk.

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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 3/1/2006 6:28:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta
It said that to proudly use the word regardless of its negative connotations. “That” in itself is the reward one must earn to surmount controversy and learn to be tolerant with prejudices.


She's an intelligent woman StarHawk.


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