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RE: Small town politics, ain't it great - 7/12/2009 3:07:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Besides, imagine the uproar over arresting citizens waiting on a 4th of July Parade because they were upset over the flag being flown upside down!

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RE: Small town politics, ain't it great - 7/12/2009 3:22:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		What's the difference? I have yet to hear of a single law that has written into it the phrase, "unless there's a 4th of July parade in progress." The law is the law, for pete's sake, every day of the year. 

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RE: Small town politics, ain't it great - 7/12/2009 3:25:14 PM   
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What's the difference? I have yet to hear of a single law that has written into it the phrase, "unless there's a 4th of July parade in progress." The law is the law, for pete's sake, every day of the year. 


I believe her point was that since the standard is related to the likelihood of the flag flying causing a civil disturbance, the fact that it was during a 4th parade impacts that likelihood.

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RE: Small town politics, ain't it great - 7/12/2009 3:31:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Mitigating factors. Court of Public Opinion. who the hell knows. The media coverage would have been far, far worse had they arrested the citizens. so the DA decided to take away the source of upset for co many, after trying to get the owner on the phone. He made a judgement call that prevented the injury of anyone.

People waiting for a 4th of July parade upset over the flag flying wrong... vs... a Man flying the flag wrong because he was pissy over not getting a license.. AND he was a vet, so he very well understood the meaning of what he was doing and the public upset. Make a choice folks.

The DA made one.

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RE: Small town politics, ain't it great - 7/12/2009 3:45:41 PM   
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Mitigating factors. Court of Public Opinion. who the hell knows. The media coverage would have been far, far worse had they arrested the citizens. so the DA decided to take away the source of upset for co many, after trying to get the owner on the phone. He made a judgement call that prevented the injury of anyone.

People waiting for a 4th of July parade upset over the flag flying wrong... vs... a Man flying the flag wrong because he was pissy over not getting a license.. AND he was a vet, so he very well understood the meaning of what he was doing and the public upset. Make a choice folks.

The DA made one.


My choice would have been to let him fly it, grant him the liquor license, and once it was paid for boycott his establishment. Let him wear an upside down flag lapel pin in bankruptcy court.

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RE: Small town politics, ain't it great - 7/12/2009 4:16:43 PM   
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I don't suppose there were going to be any groups associated with the military that were going to be marching in a parade that day (not especially local folks) who might have seen the flag en route?


And? My 65 year old father is a Vietnam veteran, and a retired Colonel. He is as patriotic as they come. I know him; and I'm telling your with certainty, he would have just rolled his eyes and probably laughed at someone like this. We are not talking about someone that strolled into Washington and broke the case over the Constitution so he could his wipe his ass with it. We are talking about a guy who spent a few bucks at his local hardware store for an American flag to use in a protest. The United States is not going to come to an end or be pushed into anarchy if one person or a million persons fly the flag upside down, burn it, wipe their ass with it, etc, etc.

Perhaps this will help.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/assets/pdf/U0138358710.PDF




         On the parade route, an estimated 4000 people in town for the event, trouble brewing...

    Good link, Tazzy!


Does this particular entry answer your question, slaveboy? 



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RE: Small town politics, ain't it great - 7/12/2009 4:27:50 PM   
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RE: Small town politics, ain't it great - 7/12/2009 6:12:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		you are correct Tazzy, none of the sources you cited make any such claim, however you did make just such a claim...
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but before 1777 (when the first official US flag was created through a resolution of the Continental Congress) common people could not own (much less fly) a flag.


I have shown how there were national flags in use long before that, can you back up your claim that common people were forbidden to own or fly their national flags before 1777. I am not positive, but I seriously doubt you can do so, why? because your claim is simply untrue.

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it merely claimed that it was the first for the commoner.


This claim is also untrue, as I have already shown, even if you somehow maintain that the Danish, British, and Spanish flags I mentioned were somehow not "for the commoner", there is no way in Hell you can make that claim for the Corsican Republic (whose Constitution, by the way, was a major influence in the drafting of the US Constitution).

The only concept I am having trouble grasping is called historical revisionism (that is the most polite term I can come up with for it).


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RE: Small town politics, ain't it great - 7/12/2009 6:26:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		So I am to understand that because it is the 4th of July, it is:

1) Lawful to make threats of bodily harm & property damage.
2) The police are intended to keep the peace, not enforce the law.
3) That it would be wrong to arrest people who were clearly breaking the law because it is the 4th of July and there would have been some bad press.
4) It is ok to deprive people of their 1st Amendment rights, if the way they choose to excercise those rights annoys people.
5) That the non-existant rights of the mob now take precedence over the very well established rights of the individual.
6) That the police can freely trespass on your land and confiscate your property without the benefit of a warrent or court order.
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Make a choice folks.

The DA made one.

Yes he did, and he made the wrong choice. He made the easy choice, the popular choice, but still the wrong choice. The reason why the Bill of Rights is included in the basic founding law of the land is so that those rights trump all other laws. What the whiner (who, I think is an idiot, btw) did was 100% within his constitutional rights as an American, and what the DA and police did was 100% against the law. The fact that a flag was involved changes nothing, nor does the fact that it was the 4th of July. As Panda siad, the law is the law, 365 days a year.

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RE: Small town politics, ain't it great - 7/12/2009 6:34:01 PM   
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RE: Small town politics, ain't it great - 7/12/2009 6:42:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		PM lets Government buildings fly the Union Flag every dayBy STEVE DOUGHTY
Last updated at 23:50 25 March 2008


Public buildings will be allowed to fly the Union Flag all year under sweeping constitutional reforms.
The move will end restrictions going back more than 80 years which prevent government buildings, town halls, schools and hospitals flying the flag on all but 18 days of the year, such as the Queen's birthday.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-545476/PM-lets-Government-buildings-fly-Union-Flag-day.html

NEW DELHI, JAN. 23 . Business tycoon Naveen Jindal may have won the right for the common man to fly the National Flag two years ago, but in its final judgment here today the Supreme Court held that hoisting the Tricolour by citizens is a fundamental right. (2004)

http://www.hindu.com/2004/01/24/stories/2004012413420300.htm

How many more do you wish?

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RE: Small town politics, ain't it great - 7/12/2009 6:45:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Arpig

So I am to understand that because it is the 4th of July, it is:

1) Lawful to make threats of bodily harm & property damage.
2) The police are intended to keep the peace, not enforce the law.
3) That it would be wrong to arrest people who were clearly breaking the law because it is the 4th of July and there would have been some bad press.
4) It is ok to deprive people of their 1st Amendment rights, if the way they choose to excercise those rights annoys people.
5) That the non-existant rights of the mob now take precedence over the very well established rights of the individual.
6) That the police can freely trespass on your land and confiscate your property without the benefit of a warrent or court order.
quote:

Make a choice folks.

The DA made one.

Yes he did, and he made the wrong choice. He made the easy choice, the popular choice, but still the wrong choice. The reason why the Bill of Rights is included in the basic founding law of the land is so that those rights trump all other laws. What the whiner (who, I think is an idiot, btw) did was 100% within his constitutional rights as an American, and what the DA and police did was 100% against the law. The fact that a flag was involved changes nothing, nor does the fact that it was the 4th of July. As Panda siad, the law is the law, 365 days a year.


And you keep saying the Police. did you not read they were acting on the behalf of the DA? The rest, no doubt, because the idiot, and no i wont put that into quotes because this is all money driven, will be sorted out in court, where it should have been all along. Instead, everyone picked up on the whiners crying jag.

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RE: Small town politics, ain't it great - 7/12/2009 6:51:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		They were acting on behalf of the DA, who did not have the authority to have done what was done. It is not that we sympathise particularly with the flag flyer, it is the principle involved. The police and DA exceeded their authority and in so doing stepped outside the law. I really don't care what the guy's reasons for flying the flag upside down are, to be honest, they are irrelevant, as is the fact that it was the 4th of July, and the fact that it was along the parade route. None of that is relevant. What is relevant is this: he had a right to do what he did, and the police and DA had no right to do what they did. It really is that simple.

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RE: Small town politics, ain't it great - 7/12/2009 6:54:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Add to that the fact the man is a veteran,and might have actually fought for that flag...I'm of the opinion he can fly it any way he wants.

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RE: Small town politics, ain't it great - 7/12/2009 6:57:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		And i find little fault with the decision of the DA. i agree to disagree.

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RE: Small town politics, ain't it great - 7/12/2009 7:03:55 PM   
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And i find little fault with the decision of the DA. i agree to disagree.

You find it ok for the DA to break the law?


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RE: Small town politics, ain't it great - 7/12/2009 7:14:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		No. As i said, it will be settled in court. Did he break the law? yup. Will he face charges? I suspect, possibly, he will. Would i have done it differently? im not so sure i would have.

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RE: Small town politics, ain't it great - 7/12/2009 7:21:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		He clearly broke the law, or at least the police did at his behest.

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RE: Small town politics, ain't it great - 7/12/2009 7:22:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Im not arguing with you on that. They did trespass and remove his private property.

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RE: Small town politics, ain't it great - 7/12/2009 7:23:19 PM   
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