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RE: Throat Tattoo - 7/13/2009 12:03:49 AM   
HatesParisHilton


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in other words,  Russian or Serbian Mob Sex Trafficking.

oh no, wait, they don't hire trust fund guys...

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RE: Throat Tattoo - 7/13/2009 11:04:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Boys Boys... How are you going to feel if the moderator has to come in here and play mommy? I'd be disappointed in us.

Esinn, you're a smart person, clearly. But ignoring the fact that other people have irrational prejuices against art painted on the throat is being illogical, yourself. I already feel justified in my comments - You're one snarky motherfucker. If I needed to hire a shark, you'd be a top 5% choice.

In the end, I don't really care as our paths are not likely to become entwined. I'm only interested in establishing that others perception is partially one's control, partially not one's control. How you act, appear, and speak are your business. What other people think of you is not.

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RE: Throat Tattoo - 7/13/2009 1:14:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		The problem is- that one can not know what the world- the walk of life will be 10-15-20 years from today.

I would not do it.

Even if you think you are tough and that there will never be any fall out from the tatts- folks can find other ways to make things tough.

A tastefully done tattoo can be great.   But then clutter the body up and it is like saying deface what the powers that be gave one.

No matter where one is at in life- any of us could loose it all and start all over.   Many of us have lost it all and started over, some a few times.

I look for color and detail in a tattoo.    I have just one, which I gave alot of thought to before getting it.

I think it costs something like $500 an inch for removal and even then the finish is patchy.

Being that you cant know the future- to tattoo- the neck, face, hands- is pushing it.  It is like asking for friction.

Of course you can argue it any way you like- but there are people who will use it against you- and there in lies the risk.
..which brings us back to where you are at, 5-10-15 years from this hour- today,  July 2009.

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RE: Throat Tattoo - 7/13/2009 1:20:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HeavansKeeper

Boys Boys... How are you going to feel if the moderator has to come in here and play mommy? I'd be disappointed in us.

Esinn, you're a smart person, clearly. But ignoring the fact that other people have irrational prejuices against art painted on the throat is being illogical, yourself. I already feel justified in my comments - You're one snarky motherfucker. If I needed to hire a shark, you'd be a top 5% choice.

In the end, I don't really care as our paths are not likely to become entwined. I'm only interested in establishing that others perception is partially one's control, partially not one's control. How you act, appear, and speak are your business. What other people think of you is not.


Paris has been ignored.  I apologize for out banter in hopes I will be forgiven.

My expectations are not to bring change on a macro level  Prejudices as you pointed out are everywhere and frequently irrational based misconceptions.

These misconceptions though are based upon the fact you have not me.  Possibly I can bring change on a micro level with the horizontals / verticals I interact with.  Regardless AYE captain this is why I am forever doomed to remain in the world of inside consultation not f2f which I greatly desire.  I do not think such misconceptions will be addressed before I am able to retire.

I wonder should I get my throat tattooed.

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RE: Throat Tattoo - 7/13/2009 1:28:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

The problem is- that one can not know what the world- the walk of life will be 10-15-20 years from today.

I would not do it.

Even if you think you are tough and that there will never be any fall out from the tatts- folks can find other ways to make things tough.



Some of my tattoos would clearly demonstrate I am what some might consider a "pussy".  Only a queer boy likes Dali I can hear some of my friends mutter behind my back.  My expectations are I will disagree with many of my tattoos 10 years from today.  I am a passionate scrap booker with a personal and artistic flair - more committed than most.  It is more about the collection and story than my personal taste.

quote:

But then clutter the body up and it is like saying deface what the powers that be gave one.


I am not sure I know what that means at all - sounds spooky.

Arguments can be made either way.  Thank you everyone.

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RE: Throat Tattoo - 7/13/2009 11:12:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good. keep that ignore function going until you have the nads to even post a link to the manner of tatt you are thinking about since that will be the hinge, the keystone, upon all reactions to the tatt which is what you claim the reason for starting this thread is, in the first place.

Not that you will.

By the way, your Dali comment indicates you don't know much about  the Art World, tough guys, queer guys, or att professionals (like the huy here in my neck of the woods whom is an internationally recognized Tatt God and has even had a docco made regarding his work and his place in history in the Ink World).

Not that it matters to the Playstation mindset though, so have fun with the "ignore" function.

Just remember to have fun with your userpic showing the tat you get if you ever do in fact sit for the Gun.

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RE: Throat Tattoo - 7/14/2009 2:46:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think throat tattoos are ugly. It's an awkward place to put a tattoo. The chin doesn't make a good frame for a piece of art, imo. Every time I see a throat tattoo I cringe and wonder why they didn't put it somewhere else.

It's just a personal thing and you asked for thoughts...


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RE: Throat Tattoo - 7/14/2009 7:01:07 AM   
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RE: Throat Tattoo - 7/14/2009 2:03:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HeavansKeeper

Well, this issue seems resolved. Lunch?


What is the wine list like?

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RE: Throat Tattoo - 7/14/2009 4:19:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		As far as it goes, I wouldn't do it, or advice anyone to get a throat tattoo, might as well get a face tattoo, it'll have the same effect.

Why? Because the only people I've ever encountered with such, were not what I'd call upstanding human beings.

You'd be essentially clumping yourself in with gang members, repeat offenders etc.. that's what most will think upon first impression. Of course you can probably overcome that, but why make an obstacle where there isn't one.


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RE: Throat Tattoo - 7/14/2009 6:50:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Esinn

I want to get my throat tattooed.  I already have all sides of my neck done in a very tasteful manner.  It is a tribute to family. . . .

I want to get my throat done.  Prior to walking out the door an old boss said, "I hope you want to go down in flames"  Oddly I respect this boss still.  He offered me a lot and taught me a lot both personally & professionally.

I am thinking about taking his logo changing it up a little.  It will be 3 - 4 lines with a tribal theme.  The lines are arrows pointing in different directions representing the different path we can go in life.  The center arrow pointing, up the direction we desire.  Possibly an arrow pointing down.  The piece will be outlined in flames - we all walk through fire to be successful.

I do not care so much if you  like the concept, still comment though..  However, I do not believe throat tattoos are too socially acceptable regardless of how artistic and meaningful.  Why is that? Any thoughts?  I am confident my tattoos do not impact my ability to do the job better than you.  I have never had issue with any of my other neck tattoos.



Big difference between getting a tattoo in your throat and your neck.

Please tell me you actually meant your neck.

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RE: Throat Tattoo - 7/14/2009 9:06:26 PM   
Esinn


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Status: offline 		woot! 2 pages on my throat tattoo!  Thanks everyone.

The only reason it lumps me in with thugs though is cause you only know my friends not me.  I am not expecting macro change.  Possibly micro.  Again thanks.

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RE: Throat Tattoo - 7/15/2009 12:00:32 AM   
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woot! 2 pages on my throat tattoo!  Thanks everyone.

The only reason it lumps me in with thugs though is cause you only know my friends not me.  I am not expecting macro change.  Possibly micro.  Again thanks.



Have you considered that thugs want a way to distinguish themselves from law abiding folk, and law abiding folk want a way to distinguish themselves from thugs?

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RE: Throat Tattoo - 7/15/2009 3:37:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		So your friends are thugs? Another reason people will judge you...mixed with the throat and neck tats, hate to break it to you but you're going to find it incredibly hard to get people to see you any differently from them.

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RE: Throat Tattoo - 7/15/2009 9:24:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am just wondering what motivates you to take a chance... Is a tattoo that important to you... Do you have the " look at me " mentality? I don't mean this post as a put down in any way but I am finding it hard to understand why this is so important to you when obviously it will have a negative affect on your professional standing...even if it shouldn't.

There is wisdom in the statement..."everything in moderation"... are you sure this desire for tattoos is not based in a compulsion of some kind? Why take a chance with your life when you know there are many that would look down on you… is it just so you can say “fuck you” to them if they don't like it?

You may be good in what you do but there are many good people in your profession I’ll bet and if an employer feels your looks could put off prospective clients then he will go with someone else.

Why not direct your artistic desires in a different direction…believe me…tattoos will be going out of style in the next generation and will unnecessarily mark you…even in your chosen profession.

Butch


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RE: Throat Tattoo - 7/15/2009 10:20:03 AM   
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woot! 2 pages on my throat tattoo!  Thanks everyone.

The only reason it lumps me in with thugs though is cause you only know my friends not me.  I am not expecting macro change.  Possibly micro.  Again thanks.



Have you considered that thugs want a way to distinguish themselves from law abiding folk, and law abiding folk want a way to distinguish themselves from thugs?


Captain goes fishing and looks at his catch.  I was kidding about the thug comment.  I do apologize.  No one her knows me.


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RE: Throat Tattoo - 7/15/2009 10:29:20 AM   
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I am just wondering what motivates you to take a chance... Is a tattoo that important to you... Do you have the " look at me " mentality? I don't mean this post as a put down in any way but I am finding it hard to understand why this is so important to you when obviously it will have a negative affect on your professional standing...even if it shouldn't.

There is wisdom in the statement..."everything in moderation"... are you sure this desire for tattoos is not based in a compulsion of some kind? Why take a chance with your life when you know there are many that would look down on you… is it just so you can say “fuck you” to them if they don't like it?

You may be good in what you do but there are many good people in your profession I’ll bet and if an employer feels your looks could put off prospective clients then he will go with someone else.

Why not direct your artistic desires in a different direction…believe me…tattoos will be going out of style in the next generation and will unnecessarily mark you…even in your chosen profession.

Butch



I have a lot to offer - people should look at me and others around them already.  My tattoos have nothing to do with style - you should see some of the clothes I wear.  I take no issue with any employer who desires not to hire me because of tattoos.  I care if people like my tattoos.  I do not think anyone should fuck themselves when we can be fucking each other.  Looking at my tattoos now I remember a dead friend, my daughter, a bad decision I made.  I do not see compulsion.  I am not totally covered in tattoos either.  I do not know if that is the plan seems trendy to me.

I am being judged already.  My desire is for micro change - I will start here.

Good points everyone. . .

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RE: Throat Tattoo - 7/15/2009 10:47:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Esinn obviously visual tattoos contravene many standards of dress which are often explicitly stated by employers. In the British army one is not allowed prominent tatoos on the arms nor any on the head. That is not a judgement on people who have these skin scrawls per se it is simply a method to ensure that everyone conforms to and passes the same standard.  I would advise aginst this tattoo as it will limit what you are capable of achieving in your chosen field, and quite rightly so.

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RE: Throat Tattoo - 7/15/2009 11:37:21 AM   
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Gonna agree with HPH...


and Lorr.. PLEASE tell me you were joking in that last post?

Emily had five tattoos, all of which could be covered by clothing if  needed.  It was our request that until she got older her tattoos be in areas where clothing would cover them  should she go for interviews and the like.   Since we support her and her two children I did not think that we were making such a big request.  We contributed $20,000 to her support last year.  I am sure that she used $500 of my Christmas gift for the dragon tattoo that sweaps from her back over her shoulder and down her front.

The ass she is living with has black prison tattoos such as black barb wire and the like going up and down his arms and legs.  He convinced Emily to have dog paw prints placed on her legs from her ankles to her thighs.  The paw prints get larger as they go up the legs. The tattoos are black; just like extra lag Rorschach test pictures and cannot be hidden except by pants suit.  The minute she crosses her legs the jig is up.

He was proud of  screwing around with our wishes,  Last year we got her back into high school, paid all fees and we were going to babysit the kids while she was in school.  He convinced her that getting the degree was too difficult and that she should quit. (B+ student)  After that he convinced  her to quit a GED program that we set up; again we paid for it; bought her a car to go; and baby sat on demand. And, now this.
He has no job and lives off of us.

Do I intend to get him incarcerated for at least 6 months, yes.  Her psychiatrist is analyzing what the effect on her will be but he is not a fan of the tattooed man.

This is not the first time.  An x son in law pulled a firearm on our daughter and granddaughter, pulled the trigger and was the most surprised of all it did not go off.  A technically allowed him to get away with probation.  As he was led into the court  room he smiled at me and I was look sad.  After he got the probation sentence he turned to go when the judge stopped him saying there was one more item of business.  He was on probation at the time he committed the subsequent crime. He argued the point.  The judge said " your father in law has brought to my attention that you had two days to go on probation and that we have never closed the case."  He glared at me and I smiled.  The judge said that since he pled guilty, he admitted violating probation and she was sentencing him to a year in the county jail.  He was right to wheel around and scream at me "You son of a bitch."



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RE: Throat Tattoo - 7/15/2009 12:48:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow, I can't believe I missed a clear opportunity to put in a couple of cents with my obvious bias towards body modification art.

The climate for tattoos is changing, and throat tattoos are the final frontier for many. I don't know that I would get one, not because I'd be ashamed, but because my daughter (who does this for a living) says that they are -extremely- painful and difficult to put on well, and, because the skin is so thin, are subject to a greater measure of 'bleed', fade, drop-out, and 'holidays' (what spots of missing ink are called), so they have to be retouched more often than other tattoos might.

Tattoo is one of those areas where I tend to push the envelope about exposing my 'kink' to the outside world. I have some facial work I'm planning, down the road, as well as lower arm work (I won't do hands and feet for the same pain issues as my neck). I figure that, if people have a chance to see me and 'get' my work, they won't have an issue with my body mods... if they're going to be biased from the get-go and not give me that chance to prove my -skill- instead of judging my -skin-... well... I don't want to work for a company or person like that anyway. *shrugs*

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