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ORIGINAL: LadiesBladewing
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
buyer beware: since ethics/morals are the essence of ones character which provides the building blocks and foundation of standards for which one makes the judgements of what is "right" or what is "wrong" with regard to another, in the eyes of the beholder, where like a vine, if one runner falls onto bad earth and takes root, the whole plant suffers or even withers and dies.
yes i could possibly serve someone whos moral structure is less developed than my own, only if they demonstrated moral stability under "all" circumstances, and only if the areas that their morals were under developed would not conflict or infringe upon mine.
i would not remotely consider someone who is largely unethical / amoral or immoral as someone i could accept as my friend much less serve.
Ok, my next question here is: Why does there seem to be the assumption that, if someone's morals or ethics are different than yours, they are "less developed"?
It is possible for someone to have a moral and ethical framework that is -quite- carefully and extensively developed, but in which there might be broad areas of divergence about the expression of ethics/morals. Just because there is a variance does -not- mean there is a correlating lack of development in the ethical system in question.
Lady Zephyr
i guess we should start from the beginning here with a couple things i really should address.
My question is how did you conclude "different"?
i specifically said less than, unless you feel that less than cannot occur and only different is valid, then i think you first need to determine exactly what it is you trying to say here.
Ed gein is less than, manson is less than, ted bundi is less than, the pope is more than, other religious leaders are more then. Whats the problem?
So there is no such a thing as less than? Just different is that your point?: if you do not believe there is such a thing as less than lets toss a few knives around the house and you spend the evening watching movies and eating popcorn with charlie manson.
Now by my way of thinking charlie manson has "less" developed morals than the rest of us despite insanity.
i agree that there are morals that are different or even equal for that matter and since they can be different or equal i maintain they can also be greater than or less than.
you are making a lot of really horrible off base assumptions here!
To insert the word different where i specifically less and then come to the conclusion that i some how feel anyone different from me is less developed sort of really distorts what i said into something entirely different now doesnt it?
Then to incorrectly apply it on top of everything else just took this nice conversation totally out in lala land and completely distorted the point i was trying to get across on some whimsical flippant comeback with no grounds.
by all means DO point out where i said if someone is different than i they are less developed than i?
i cited a specific situation and the situation that i cited it not remotely the same as the situation you claim i cited!!!!!
This kind of distortion seems to be going around a lot on here lately, seems like its becoming an epidemic.
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ORIGINAL: yourMissTress
Lady Zephyr, the person you are responding to has made an impression on me, such that anyone who isn't in exact agreement with him on any issue ( morals and ethics being only one of many) is "less developed".
Lets see here:
the very first words out of your mouth you levelled an attack against me. good way to start a nice friendly FLAME WAR um i mean debate!!!
One quick glance around the room and oh my,
Whats this?:
""EXACT AGREEMENT YOU SAY?""
Do quote where i """EVER""" expected someone to EXACTLY AGREE WITH ME on ANYTHING?
Seems there may be a little dirt under the skirt here my dear.
So tell us why you did not allow Lady Zephyr to form her own opinion of me?
Looks to me that maybe you feel yours takes precedence over hers and you want her to think EXACTLY the way YOU DO about me!
Do you feel she is incapable of making up her own mind?
Its getting really muddy around here.
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ORIGINAL: yourMissTress
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yes if i were a dom(me) and controlled their actions such that if thier moral system were less than mine i would not have an issue with that. again the key word here is conflict. of course there are limits to everything regardless of position or identity
Not saying this poster has but many people go off on tangents as a result of missing key words in my posts, comment on it and unfortunately create this kind of animosity.
i do not see where we disagree here or where i am trying to force anyone to agree with me as is being suggested.
My impression is not that you are attempting to force anyone to agree with you, but that you view those who don't think exactly as you do to be "less". Not different, but less than. It's not just here, but in most of your posting that I get this vibe. But it is here that you so clearly state it, not once but twice.
i repeat to what i said to zephyr:
Do point out where i said less = different?
Great you have the impression that different = less therefore it must be how i meant it!!!
you took zephyrs incorrect take on it and without a moments thought on it run to the sidelines and proclaim TOUCHDOWN.
Then to add insult to injury:
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ORIGINAL: yourMissTress
Now, let ME clarify:
Do not ever presume to know what is true for me. You don't know me, who I am, where I have been or where I am going. You do not have the ability to sum up the experiences throughout my life that have shaped my feelings, thoughts, opinions and self without having lived them, which you have not.
With that being said, I will kindly bow out of this conversation, as anything more that I would add, would simply be redundant.
Read me the riot act? Like whats the purpose of this to draw my attention from the fact your whole premise is based on your inability to take what i said in context?
Hey i know a lot more about you then you may know!
i know you eat, i know you crap and pee just like everyone else. i do not have to eat and crap and pee for you to know this about you as well as a lot of other things about you.
i do not have to run off on a tangent to know thats what you did either now do i?
Like walking out of the room snorting in a huff REALLY makes you somehow correct. Its not a good substitute for knwoing what you are reading before commenting and then trying to clean up afterward by putting your problems on me.
i can presume a lot about you that is far closer to correct than what you have presumed about me thus far.
Like i said to zephyr: if you feel there is only different then great you too can spend a nite with manson and maybe you too will figure there is such as thing as more or less before you are DEAD!!!!
Just because certain people around here choose to close their eyes to reality.
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what really fries me about a certain few in here is the piss poor attitutes they have towards others:
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ORIGINAL: SimplyV
I think you misunderstand why I was laughing. I love MoGA. She's so great at handing idiots their balls. I swear.. she's my idol.
When I grow up.. I wanna be just like her.
As for the "True Dominant".. yes.. keep that pepper spray handy. You'll probably need it.
HI expectations! dont break your neck looking up!
Whats up with this people? This was a new guy never posted before frustrated and venting. Just like the OP. These people ripped him up. They were so narrow minded about it and incorrect in what they did i was angry after i read all that. The OP who also is a new poster complained about the way they turned it into a bicker contest JUST LIKE HERE!!!!
Same crap someone read it wrong and the whole crew ran with it patting themselves on the backs for their sideline touchdown!!
This is representative of the attitudes we have in here. Since we are on the subject of morals i feel that everyone has the right to be treated with respect regardless if someone considers them an idiot or not.
The guy should be proud of himself frankly because unlike me he has the tenacity to take the high road and he did take the high road and no matter how assinine these people were to him he did not dive in the dirt with them like i do even tho the way they treated him was totally undeserved.
FACT: tress came here guns loaded and looking for a fight, well you got one now i hope you are satisfied.
Anyone can make a mistake in interpretation but a few have established themselves as an institution around here and what i would like to know is why doesnt this little clique with these shitty attitudes wise up and try being part of the solution instead of part of the problem for a change?
you can bet that guy will never post again, at least not on here.
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