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DomKen -> RE: Conservatives would never attack a politician's children, right? (7/15/2009 1:06:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl FR I had to go back to look in the Palin thread. i see many who stated Palin's kids were not off limits because she thrust them into the lime light. interesting how many now change their minds. Could you present anyone who has changed their position?

slvemike4u -> RE: Conservatives would never attack a politician's children, right? (7/15/2009 3:04:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl FR I had to go back to look in the Palin thread. i see many who stated Palin's kids were not off limits because she thrust them into the lime light. interesting how many now change their minds. kids should be off limits i want one of those t-shirts. retro is in! Are her decision to thrust her children into the spotlight fair game? Are her priorities .as they affect and deal with her children,fair game? Are her parental decisions fair game? Was Bristol's un-wed teen pregnancy,in light of her mothers positions on abstinence education and abortion issues,fair game? Surely these are correct and proper lines of questiong that a voter might want to look at ....do they involve the kids ...yes ,but they are not attacks on the kids.They are part and parcel of the examination of a candidate.

tazzygirl -> RE: Conservatives would never attack a politician's children, right? (7/15/2009 3:48:22 PM)
As i posted on that thread, and will do so again... children are not fair game, in my opinion. DomKen, the Palin thread is still up, im sure if you wish you could find the info there. mike, calling an 11 year old a whore... isnt a personal attack? making fun of a down syndrome baby... isnt personal against the child? no matter how you dress it up, we tend to become vicious when its politics. passionate,, yes,,, and we often attack in the throes of that passion. but, these are kids. at 18, i wouldnt expect any kid (unless its someone like Chelsea who grew up in that huge light) to know what they are getting into. Attack the politicians... on their issues. but name calling, slamming, belittling and even condoning such behavior by saying "well, Mom/Dad threw them out in that light, they are fair game" is a really bad excuse to do what you want to do and not have to take responsibility for it.

slvemike4u -> RE: Conservatives would never attack a politician's children, right? (7/15/2009 4:55:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl As i posted on that thread, and will do so again... children are not fair game, in my opinion. DomKen, the Palin thread is still up, im sure if you wish you could find the info there. mike, calling an 11 year old a whore... isnt a personal attack? making fun of a down syndrome baby... isnt personal against the child? no matter how you dress it up, we tend to become vicious when its politics. passionate,, yes,,, and we often attack in the throes of that passion. but, these are kids. at 18, i wouldnt expect any kid (unless its someone like Chelsea who grew up in that huge light) to know what they are getting into. Attack the politicians... on their issues. but name calling, slamming, belittling and even condoning such behavior by saying "well, Mom/Dad threw them out in that light, they are fair game" is a really bad excuse to do what you want to do and not have to take responsibility for it. Tazzy please read my post again...I never defended anything remotely connected with your two examples.If that is what you got from my post....i did a piss poor job of expressing myself. Let me try again....Without denying the existance of actual attacks...or the fact that children can be attacked....What I am sugessting is that there are legitimate lines of questions,that involve a candidate's children...that any line of questioning that raises issues concerning parenting are a window into the very character of a candidate....and therefor they are legitimate . In case it is not clear I, of course ,condemm anyone sugessting an 11 y/o is a whore,or anyone making jokes at the expence of a disabled child...no matter what side of the aisle.

tazzygirl -> RE: Conservatives would never attack a politician's children, right? (7/15/2009 5:32:51 PM)
Questions such as.. where are your kids... who will take care of them while you are at work... are prohibited for job interviews. and these are questions not asked of men, funny that huh. I see Palin's bringing forward Trig as an attempt to connect on a deeper level with the "mom" voters. I think it backfired. I see her dealing with the pregnancy of Bristol as the same attempt, again, another backfire. I have yet to hear one of Bristol's "speaches" on abstinence. If its from a position based upon her mother's platform, then its a joke. If its based upon her personal experiences and how she would have done things differently kind of speach, then i can find no fault. Just depends on whose pov she is speaking from.

slvemike4u -> RE: Conservatives would never attack a politician's children, right? (7/15/2009 5:45:36 PM)
Well that's the point Tazzy,if you can evaluate Palin's decision to bring Trig forward as an attempt to "connect on a deeper level with the "mom" voters".Than you are acknowledging that she had a political motivation. If she has a political motivation....she is open to the fallout such a tactic might provoke.....again any who would cross the line are scum....But Sarah herself played a part in initiating the conversation....inevitably that conversation will deteriorate into some sick shit...it is a societal problem...but Sarah was no innocent bystander here...she has been a vital component of the whole process.

harddaddy4u -> RE: Conservatives would never attack a politician's children, right? (7/15/2009 6:12:53 PM)
For those who insinuate that Sarah Palin "used" her children to political advantage, I would urge you not to look at conservatives through the same manipulative, purely political lens that typifies your side of the aisle. Conservatives don't do what they do for purely political reasons, to manipulate people to their advantage, like the average liberal politician does. No, they actually give people a little credit for having the intelligence to see through that kind of obvious pandering. Mrs. Palin simply introduced her children and husband to America, because she loves them and she is proud of them. It had no political connotations whatsoever, other than to perhaps publicly re-affirm her family values and pro-life convictions. Would you have preferred her to hide her children away and never mention them or allow them to be seen? If she had done that, no doubt liberals would have attempted to vilify her for that, and claimed that she was trying to hide something. Conservatives will be attacked and vilified by the left no matter what they do or say, and there is always some liberal somewhere who will find something sinister in whatever a conservative does or says, and try to crucify them for it. In this case, however, liberals pulled out all the stops and went after a vice presidential nominees' children, in order to try and harm her politically. Amazingly, they're still doing it, as evidenced by this thread and some of the other threads on here. What empty lives some people apparently have. Liberals would've attempted to use the issue of Sarah's children against her no matter whether she introduced them to America or not. Sarah had nothing to hide and was proud to introduce her family to her supporters. Whether she intended it or not, it's very likely that Trig served as a reminder to the pro-death crowd that all life is precious, and no doubt it made many of them feel guilty for previous abortions they had participated in, to say nothing of the fact that her daughter Bristol also chose life for her baby. But as it pertained to the Republican base, this was a wonderful affirmation of all we hold dear. Such is the state of left-wing politics in America today - destroy your enemies at all costs, no matter who gets hurt or what lines need to be crossed in order to achieve the intended goal.

slvemike4u -> RE: Conservatives would never attack a politician's children, right? (7/15/2009 6:16:37 PM)
See ,thats what I like ...a nice clear and balanced point of view.....way to go Harddaddy!

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Conservatives would never attack a politician's children, right? (7/15/2009 7:07:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: harddaddy4u Conservatives don't do what they do for purely political reasons, to manipulate people to their advantage, like the average liberal politician does. No, they actually give people a little credit for having the intelligence to see through that kind of obvious pandering. Mrs. Palin simply introduced her children and husband to America, because she loves them and she is proud of them. It had no political connotations whatsoever, other than to perhaps publicly re-affirm her family values and pro-life convictions. God, this is priceless. Just priceless. You can't make this shit up - you really can't! Thank you, HD, for all that you add to this forum.

Lucylastic -> RE: Conservatives would never attack a politician's children, right? (7/15/2009 7:11:24 PM)
Did you expect anything else from him Mike? Weve had many many threads attacking Palin, most of the ones mentioning the younger ones were deleted JUST because of the minor rules here (thank god) One singular thread regarding the attacks on the Obama kids and it still turns out to be how cruel/despicable every one who attacks palin is/are. Its six of one and half a dozen of the other. People are cruel, people are nasty, some make it into a fine art and come from all walks of life..no one side is better than the other. Lucy

rulemylife -> RE: Conservatives would never attack a politician's children, right? (7/15/2009 7:18:33 PM)
So conservatives really sit at the right hand of God and occasionally he sends one of his angels in human form to correct all the liberal evildoers.

TheHeretic -> RE: Conservatives would never attack a politician's children, right? (7/15/2009 7:35:37 PM)
[sm=popcorn.gif] quote: ORIGINAL: harddaddy4u For those who insinuate that Sarah Palin "used" her children to political advantage, I would urge you not to look at conservatives through the same manipulative, purely political lens that typifies your side of the aisle. Conservatives don't do what they do for purely political reasons, to manipulate people to their advantage, like the average liberal politician does. No, they actually give people a little credit for having the intelligence to see through that kind of obvious pandering. Mrs. Palin simply introduced her children and husband to America, because she loves them and she is proud of them. It had no political connotations whatsoever, other than to perhaps publicly re-affirm her family values and pro-life convictions. Would you have preferred her to hide her children away and never mention them or allow them to be seen? If she had done that, no doubt liberals would have attempted to vilify her for that, and claimed that she was trying to hide something. Conservatives will be attacked and vilified by the left no matter what they do or say, and there is always some liberal somewhere who will find something sinister in whatever a conservative does or says, and try to crucify them for it. In this case, however, liberals pulled out all the stops and went after a vice presidential nominees' children, in order to try and harm her politically. Amazingly, they're still doing it, as evidenced by this thread and some of the other threads on here. What empty lives some people apparently have. Liberals would've attempted to use the issue of Sarah's children against her no matter whether she introduced them to America or not. Sarah had nothing to hide and was proud to introduce her family to her supporters. Whether she intended it or not, it's very likely that Trig served as a reminder to the pro-death crowd that all life is precious, and no doubt it made many of them feel guilty for previous abortions they had participated in, to say nothing of the fact that her daughter Bristol also chose life for her baby. But as it pertained to the Republican base, this was a wonderful affirmation of all we hold dear. Such is the state of left-wing politics in America today - destroy your enemies at all costs, no matter who gets hurt or what lines need to be crossed in order to achieve the intended goal.

kittinSol -> RE: Conservatives would never attack a politician's children, right? (7/15/2009 7:44:56 PM)
[sm=rofl.gif] quote: ORIGINAL: harddaddy4u <snip snip snip> Mrs. Palin simply introduced her children and husband to America, because she loves them and she is proud of them. It had no political connotations whatsoever, other than to perhaps publicly re-affirm her family values and pro-life convictions. <snip snip snip> Sarah, is that you [sm=rofl.gif]?

tazzygirl -> RE: Conservatives would never attack a politician's children, right? (7/15/2009 8:04:25 PM)
I have been trying to not take a side against Palin, but, dang if harddaddy isnt making it.. well.. hard...lol

Arpig -> RE: Conservatives would never attack a politician's children, right? (7/15/2009 8:18:04 PM)
quote: I love you, Airpig <3 Gosh, I had no idea [:)]

Arpig -> RE: Conservatives would never attack a politician's children, right? (7/15/2009 8:31:24 PM)
Our past Prime Minister, Jean Chretien, adopted a son in 1970, while he was Minister of Indian Affairs. The child had Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, and has had many legal problems, including being convicted of sexual assault, while his father was Prime Minister. It was reported in the news, but was never used in any form of attack. That his son had problems and issues was acknowledged and then dropped. Was Chretien's parenting examined by voters? Yes it was, but his opponents never made his son's troubles into a political issue. That is the way it should be done.

downkitty -> RE: Conservatives would never attack a politician's children, right? (7/16/2009 11:38:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: harddaddy4u Would you have preferred her to hide her children away and never mention them or allow them to be seen? If she had done that, no doubt liberals would have attempted to vilify her for that, and claimed that she was trying to hide something. I will agree that if Palin had never brought her children out for public view, that some reporter would have found out Bristol was pregnant and it would have seemed she was hiding something. Likewise, if she had not brought Trig out, someone would have found out and reported it, and it would have looked like she was hiding it. quote: ORIGINAL: harddaddy4u Conservatives will be attacked and vilified by the left no matter what they do or say, and there is always some liberal somewhere who will find something sinister in whatever a conservative does or says, and try to crucify them for it. Liberals will also be attacked and villified by the right no matter what they do or say. We have reached a place where the good of the country doesn't seem to be the priority anymore. It's all about hurting the other side. quote: ORIGINAL: harddaddy4u Such is the state of left-wing politics in America today - destroy your enemies at all costs, no matter who gets hurt or what lines need to be crossed in order to achieve the intended goal. Such is the state of right-wing politics as well, though. As far as I can tell, such is the state of US politics, period. This is my primary frustration.

DomKen -> RE: Conservatives would never attack a politician's children, right? (7/16/2009 2:02:25 PM)
I will point out that McCain has children of which virtually nothing appeared in the press because they chose to stay out of the political spotlight. Biden's not elected son also received virtually no coverage. Even Obama's children are rarely in the media. It is only Palin's kids in the harsh glare because she put them there and events keep occuring related to them, illegally charging the state for flying them around, teen pregnancy at the precise time Sarah was touting abstinence only ed, a bizzare series of events leading up to the son's birth etc..

tazzygirl -> RE: Conservatives would never attack a politician's children, right? (7/16/2009 2:07:52 PM)
Thats one of the things i found.. surprising.. on the blog link posted here about Obama's daughter... the comments about how much it may or may not have cost to fly the family with the President.. dont they know Air Force One holds more than just one person?

Slavehandsome -> RE: Conservatives would never attack a politician's children, right? (7/16/2009 2:10:47 PM)
Good thing the 'other than conservatives' never mentioned that Cheney's daughter is a lesbian. Quit playing partisanship. We're all taxpayers. Its the media that makes anything into a circus. Quit promoting them.

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