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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/23/2009 5:56:22 PM   
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Is that so...


Yeah, it is.

If I want to say something to someone I'll say it directly.

I didn't post to you because it was not about you, but a general comment about how people perceive things, myself included.

So spare me the righteous indignation.

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/23/2009 6:03:01 PM   
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So you feel that people who hear/read the news/commentary and such are influenced to the point of not being able to be objective, do some research and have a mind of their own? I find that interesting.

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/23/2009 6:14:26 PM   
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Brain, I have a copy of the bill too, as it stands right now at any rate. I live in canada and have no cause to fight for either side, altho Im a liberal, I downloaded it to read at leisure so I could be informed about what is in there. Quite honestly your attack on Lockit is totally uncalled for, she has medical issues and she is concerned as she should be about how it is going to affect her, and went for the source. Smart lady if you ask me.




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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/23/2009 6:18:16 PM   
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So you feel that people who hear/read the news/commentary and such are influenced to the point of not being able to be objective, do some research and have a mind of their own? I find that interesting.


I find it interesting that you seemingly have no realization that what you hear from others affects your perceptions.

It's a common thing.

Even journalists, who are paid to be objective (except if they work for Rupert Murdoch) will admit it is impossible to not be somewhat influenced by outside sources.

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/23/2009 6:29:09 PM   
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Umm, Brain ? I'm not blaming this on Kennedy. I used him as an example of  the hypocracy of it all. Obama doesn't want you, or your child to have repeated testing or a red pill when a blue will work, but Kennedy < the example, but applies to all on the federal program > can do exactly what Obama is saying is killing the healthcare in this country.

Providing health insurance to employees is one of the biggest financial burdens on companies, if not the biggest. Do you really think corporations will continue to offer health insurance when the Gvt. creates it for us ? The simple answer is : No. We will be stuck with whatever is shoved down our throats.


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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/23/2009 6:31:03 PM   
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Influenced to the point of not following things up, doing your own reserch and making up your own mind... is simply something I don't get. I can be sidetracked by misinformation, but I get informed if it is important.



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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/23/2009 6:34:01 PM   
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Speaking of not important, I think our little sidetrack here falls into that category.

Maybe we should move back into the health care discussion?

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/23/2009 6:40:28 PM   
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LOL... I love the polictical boards...

My sidetrack? lol And I thought my memory was bad.

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/23/2009 6:42:36 PM   
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Even journalists, who are paid to be objective


 
Journalists are paid to write whatever their paymaster tells them.

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/23/2009 6:44:11 PM   
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Journalists are paid to write whatever their paymaster tells them.


Kinky  .

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/23/2009 7:35:58 PM   
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dang, where do i apply?

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/23/2009 8:02:28 PM   
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Even journalists, who are paid to be objective


 
Journalists are paid to write whatever their paymaster tells them.


No, there are actually ethics in the profession, and most adhere to them.


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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/23/2009 8:05:52 PM   
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LOL... I love the polictical boards...

My sidetrack? lol And I thought my memory was bad.


Did I say it was YOUR sidetrack?

If you can bother yourself to scroll up I said our sidetrack.

Now do we really want to continue with this bullshit argument?  Because I'm really getting tired of trying to be polite.



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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/23/2009 8:19:14 PM   
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You are right on that. My mistake and I am sorry. I've read so much the words are blurring together. That is my fault and I am sorry.

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/23/2009 8:45:49 PM   
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Actually, I hope he does. Not because I have anything against the guy, but because I would like every one of the conservatives who are blocking civilized health care in this country (and make no mistake, blocking it is exactly what Willbe and his ilk are doing) to experience firsthand what they're talking about. They clearly have no sympathy or compassion for others; why should we have any for them?


The only trouble I see with this, is that those who are blocking it in both houses of Congress, aren't going to have this kind of problem because of the way their health insurance works, so it won't matter if the entire public wants it, until those people are voted out change won't happen.

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/23/2009 8:58:04 PM   
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No problem.

Thanks.





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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/23/2009 9:19:36 PM   
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No, there are actually ethics in the profession, and most adhere to them.


1960 called, and it wants it's public perception of journalism back. Most adhere to ethics indeed. I guess you weren't paying attention the last 20 years.

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/23/2009 9:22:00 PM   
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No, there are actually ethics in the profession, and most adhere to them.


1960 called, and it wants it's public perception of journalism back. Most adhere to ethics indeed. I guess you weren't paying attention the last 20 years.


Examples?


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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/23/2009 10:22:28 PM   
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Examples?


Turn your television on, or look at your newspaper tomorrow morning.

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/24/2009 12:10:11 AM   
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Umm, Brain ? I'm not blaming this on Kennedy. I used him as an example of  the hypocracy of it all. Obama doesn't want you, or your child to have repeated testing or a red pill when a blue will work, but Kennedy < the example, but applies to all on the federal program > can do exactly what Obama is saying is killing the healthcare in this country.

Providing health insurance to employees is one of the biggest financial burdens on companies, if not the biggest. Do you really think corporations will continue to offer health insurance when the Gvt. creates it for us ? The simple answer is : No. We will be stuck with whatever is shoved down our throats.



Corporations are not going to provide health care because it makes them uncompetitive. They will go out of business if they have to provide health care for their employees they cannot compete in this new global economy.

So if the government doesn’t provide it nobody will and if you have to pay for it yourself it’s just not going to work. Look at the great benefits people get working for Wal-Mart as part-time employees. Not.

If you got in a car accident and it cost $10,000 to fix your car and $10,000 for the other guy, so already you are out $20,000. Most people can afford that maybe but it could be worse. What if the other guy had a serious injury and he sued for all his medical expenses and other expenses into the future? That could be getting into the millions of dollars. It just doesn’t work. You have to have insurance if you get in a car accident.

You also must have health insurance. Also, if companies are moving or trending towards not providing it by making deductibles more expensive, and these plans were getting worse and worse as time goes by, then the only place people will get decent health insurance is to get it from the government.

That’s why this bill has to pass preferably with the single-payer option. Because too many people are going to have health and financial crisis in their lives. And if they don’t do something people will go bankrupt. Already the number one reason Americans go bankrupt is because of health care costs. You will be better off with the government plan anyway. At least the government will not take you off because you are costing too much. That's what happens with private companies providing insurance.

Believe it or not, the healthcare you get from the government will be better than from the private sector. And there will always be entrepreneurs trying to make money by providing health care services to people outside of the government. They talk about Canada but do you know that people in Canada can still get Blue Cross? There are all kinds of doctors setting up places/business in Canada where people can go and get health services outside the system. So you will still have other private sector options if the bill passes. If enough people feel the way you do somebody will meet your demands and provide the service.

They have to pass this health care reform bill. Failure is not an option.

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