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So you feel that people who hear/read the news/commentary and such are influenced to the point of not being able to be objective, do some research and have a mind of their own? I find that interesting.

I find it interesting that you seemingly have no realization that what you hear from others affects your perceptions.

It's a common thing.

Even journalists, who are paid to be objective (except if they work for Rupert Murdoch) will admit it is impossible to not be somewhat influenced by outside sources.

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Brain:
Maybe you can tell me why Obama, Congress and Senate won't have to participate in this plan, but will keep their own plan they have now. As Obama said last night " The best health plan in the world ".

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Maybe you can tell me why Ted Kennedy is entitled to half a dozen MRI's, tests, blue pill, red pill, Primary Care MD, Oncologist, nutritionist, Nuerologist, nuclear scans and chemotherapy, radiation of the finest, more follow up MRIS and more tests and more follow up scans, yet when we get our new downgrade, we ain't gonna be entitled to the same caliber of healthcare they will continue to enjoy ? Why is Mr. Kennedy's health more important than mine or yours ?

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And while you're at it, splain to me how we can add 50 million people to a national healthcare plan and " make money or even save money ".  The current Medicare system isn't even covering expenses.

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You say claiming that tax money will be needed to pay for this program is a scare tactic. Ok, tell me where the magic money is coming from. We have the largest deficit ever and you are telling me that there is money somewhere to foot this bill ? Fuck it, take the money, pay off the debt and let me keep my health insurance.

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 If its so good in Canada why are the parking spots around medical facilities in border/near border cities in the US filled with Canadian license plates?

Just a factual correction for you, willbeurdaddy, from a study called Phantoms In The Snow: Canadians’ Use Of Health Care Services In The United States.  It surveyed American health facilities in border states.

To paraphrase, close to 40 percent of those American health facilities reported treating no Canadians over the course of the year, and another 40 percent had seen fewer than ten patients. Only about 5 percent reported seeing more than 25 during the previous year. None reported more than 100.

Many of those patients are in the US, incidentally, willbeurdaddy, because of contracts between health facilities on each side of the border, meaning similar numbers of Americans are sent to Canadian facilities for treatment.

But hey, I'm dazzled that you can see those parking lots from California.

And believe me, it's great to need health services and never have to worry.

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Actually, you may want to double-check your data. Medicare is far more efficient than private health insurance DESPITE covering the sickest and most expensive patients (the elderly). Medicare does all that with 4% administrative overhead and premiums that are far lower than my premium would be if I could afford insurance. Meanwhile, private insurance wastes more than 30% on administrative overhead, including CEO bonuses and dividends.

The cheapest option by far would be to simply open up Medicare for everybody, but that is not politically doable.

• Almost 25% of doctors refuse to treat new Medicare patients;
  
• 20% of those who refuse to accept new Medicare patients, do so because of hassles and/or threats from Medicare carriers;
  
• More than one-third of doctors have trouble finding referral doctors for Medicare patients;
  
• More than one-third of doctors surveyed are restricting services to Medicare patients;
  
• Almost one-fifth of doctors give Medicare patients a lower priority for appointments;
  
• More than 80% of doctors have an increased fear of investigation or prosecution;
  
• More than one-fourth of doctors are restricting services to Medicare patients because of hassles/threats from Medicare.

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Umm, Brain ? I'm not blaming this on Kennedy. I used him as an example of  the hypocracy of it all. Obama doesn't want you, or your child to have repeated testing or a red pill when a blue will work, but Kennedy < the example, but applies to all on the federal program > can do exactly what Obama is saying is killing the healthcare in this country.

Providing health insurance to employees is one of the biggest financial burdens on companies, if not the biggest. Do you really think corporations will continue to offer health insurance when the Gvt. creates it for us ? The simple answer is : No. We will be stuck with whatever is shoved down our throats.

Corporations are not going to provide health care because it makes them uncompetitive. They will go out of business if they have to provide health care for their employees they cannot compete in this new global economy. True for some businessess, not true for others. with the increasing role of services in our economy, NOT providing health care is a competitive DISadvantage for some.

So if the government doesn’t provide it nobody will and if you have to pay for it yourself it’s just not going to work. Conclusions based on faulty premises...FAIL Look at the great benefits people get working for Wal-Mart as part-time employees. Not. It depends on their hours. And who are those part-time employees generally? Are benefits important to them?

If you got in a car accident and it cost $10,000 to fix your car and $10,000 for the other guy, so already you are out $20,000. Most people can afford that maybe but it could be worse. What if the other guy had a serious injury and he sued for all his medical expenses and other expenses into the future? That could be getting into the millions of dollars. It just doesn’t work. You have to have insurance if you get in a car accident.

You also must have health insurance. Also, if companies are moving or trending towards not providing it by making deductibles more expensive, and these plans were getting worse and worse as time goes by, then the only place people will get decent health insurance is to get it from the government. did you ever shop for health insurance? There are a myriad of options with deductibles and OOP limits that are all over the place. Why do you think the government stepping in would magically change anything? all the government can do is either add costs or ration. Both suck.

That’s why this bill has to pass preferably with the single-payer option. Because too many people are going to have health and financial crisis in their lives. And if they don’t do something people will go bankrupt. false dichotomy Already the number one reason Americans go bankrupt is because of health care costs. You will be better off with the government plan anyway. At least the government will not take you off because you are costing too much. That's what happens with private companies providing insurance.No it doesnt. Health care policies generally cannot be cancelled because you contract a covered illness. The most frequent cause of cancellation is material ommissions in applications, by far.

Believe it or not, the healthcare you get from the government will be better than from the private sector. And there will always be entrepreneurs trying to make money by providing health care services to people outside of the government. They talk about Canada but do you know that people in Canada can still get Blue Cross? There are all kinds of doctors setting up places/business in Canada where people can go and get health services outside the system. So you will still have other private sector options if the bill passes. Yup, all you have to do is pay twice. If enough people feel the way you do somebody will meet your demands and provide the service.

They have to abandon this health care reform bill. Passage is not an option. FYP

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Blue Dogs: We Have Agreement With House Dems On Health Bill

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/158522.php

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Aug 4th is dead, and the more time people have to read a 1000 page pile of garbage the more they will notice its stench.

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So you feel that people who hear/read the news/commentary and such are influenced to the point of not being able to be objective, do some research and have a mind of their own? I find that interesting.

I find it interesting that you seemingly have no realization that what you hear from others affects your perceptions.

It's a common thing.

Even journalists, who are paid to be objective (except if they work for Rupert Murdoch) will admit it is impossible to not be somewhat influenced by outside sources.

Bill Moyers did a show about this and it was a real eye opener and fascinating. Please take a look, you won't be disappointed

Bill Moyers talks with alternative media heavyweights Glenn Greenwald and Amy Goodman about what can and can’t be addressed in big corporate media. Amy Goodman and Glenn Greenwald are the first recipients of Park Center for Independent Media Izzy Award (named for I.F. Stone). Find out more about I.F. Stone's life and legacy

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch2.html

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I haven't read the bill, and have no intention of doing so, but good, bad, indifferent, if its 1000 pages of dense legalese, then Damn straight people need a lot more time to read it and understand it. Having read some laws, I know how fucking hard it can be to understand just what they mean. Trying to rush this thing through is a bad idea on something as important as this. If this bill gets passed, and it is flawed, you guys will be stuck with the results for a damned long time, I just don't see the topic being revisited any time in the near future.

As I said, I don't know what is in the bill, but the pressure to pass it immediatly certainly gives the impression that there is something to hide. Surely there is little harm in taking the time to understand the bill and to debate it properly, a few months more will not make that much of a difference one way or the other.

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Young Adults Face Tough Time Getting Insurance

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/158535.php

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Another Day, Another ‘Republican Activist’ Caught Sending Racist Anti-Obama Crap


http://wonkette.com/410039/another-day-another-republican-activist-caught-sending-racist-anti-obama-crap