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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/25/2009 5:14:22 PM   
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Analyses: CBO Director Elmendorf Becomes Center Of Attention

The Wall Street Journal: "If President Barack Obama's push for simultaneously expanding health coverage while restraining cost growth dies, history may record that it was stabbed on July 16, 2009. That day a slight, plain-spoken technocrat, Douglas Elmendorf, director of the Congressional Budget Office, said that, despite political rhetoric, pending legislation didn't make 'fundamental changes… necessary to reduce the trajectory of federal health spending by a significant amount'

Columnist David Wessel writes: "CBO often is suspected of low-balling cost savings and high-balling the price tag on new benefits... CBO, like the White House, says a lot of spending in health care doesn't contribute much to the nation's health and could be squeezed out by fundamental changes to health financing and delivery.


http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/158690.php


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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/25/2009 5:33:07 PM   
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Health Insurance Premiums For Families Topped $12,000 A Year In 2008

The cost of insuring a family of four with an employer-sponsored health plan in the United States averaged $12,298 in 2008, according to the latest News and Numbers from the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality.

The federal agency's new data for private industry further showed that the annual premium for covering an employee and one family member, known as an "employee-plus-one" plan, averaged $8,535, while the annual premium for a plan that only covered the employee averaged $4,386.

Almost 20 million of the 62.5 million workers enrolled in employer-based insurance in 2008 had family plans, while ……….

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/158642.php

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/25/2009 5:39:32 PM   
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Rapid Growth In Health Costs Damages Economic Performance Of US Industries: Study

Researchers examined the economic performance of 38 industries from 1987 through 2005 and compared changes in employment, gross economic output and the value added to the gross domestic product for industries where a large number of workers have employer-sponsored health insurance to those industries where few workers have job-based health insurance


http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/158664.php

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/25/2009 5:46:15 PM   
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One of the less obvious but important reasons for the prevalance of low birth weight babies is the quality of pre-natal care.
Something that is applicable to the health care debate. Why is the quality of pre-natal care so bad, is it perhaps because it costs too much? Or does it just generally suck in the US?

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A greater percentage of them survive till they can be removed safely. In other countries they are still born and dont make it into the infant mortality statistics.
Got any evidence of this, or are we just expected to take your word on it? As convenient an arguement as this might be, without some backing facts it is ignorable. In addition, I doubt the frequency of stillbirths is any greater in the EU or Canada

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A similar result from the tech side is that older women are more willing to risk pregancies that would be avoided without expensive genetic testing, and multiple births from greater access to fertility drugs, implantation, etc.
Surely you are not trying to claim that these are happening in large enough numbers that they skew the statistics. Besides that, these sorts of pregnancies are happening in Canada and the EU, both of which have lower infant mortality rates.



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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/25/2009 8:48:38 PM   
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Canadian Straw Man
July 17, 2009
More ads claim that Congress is pushing a Canadian-style health care bill.

http://www.factcheck.org/politics/canadian_straw_man.html

We've written before about conservatives claiming that Congress, or Obama, or Washington, or Democrats in general want the U.S. to have a Canadian-style, government-run health care system. The truth of the matter is that the president has repeatedly said he doesn't. In fact, since being sworn in as president, Obama has riled advocates of such single-payer systems by largely excluding them from the health care debate. He has answered several questions from members of the public who asked at town hall events: "why not" have such a system. Sen. Max Baucus of Montana, chairman of the Senate Finance Committee and one of the leaders in drafting legislation, has said bluntly: "single-payer is not going to get even to first base in Congress." Yet, the Canada claims continue.



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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/25/2009 9:09:33 PM   
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Obama's Health Care News Conference
July 23, 2009

Facts vs. Obama

Summary
President Obama tried to sell his health care overhaul in prime time, mangling some facts in the process. He also strained to make the job sound easier to pay for than experts predict.


http://www.factcheck.org/politics/obamas_health_care_news_conference.html

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/25/2009 10:07:08 PM   
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Rich Have Highest Wealth, Lowest Taxes Since 1929
http://www.truthout.org/072509D

According to government figures, 1 percenters' share of America's total income is the highest it's been since 1929, and their tax rates are the lowest they've faced in two decades. Through bonuses, many 1 percenters will profit from the $23 trillion in bailout largesse the Treasury Department now says could be headed to financial firms. And most of them benefit from IRS decisions to reduce millionaire audits and collect zero taxes from the majority of major corporations.

But what really makes the ultra-wealthy so fortunate, what truly separates this moment from a run-of-the-mill Gilded Age, is the unprecedented protection the 1 percenters have bought for themselves on the most pressing issues.

To review: With 22,000 Americans dying each year because they lack health insurance, Congress is considering universal health-care legislation financed by a surcharge on income above $280,000 - that is, a levy almost exclusively on 1 percenters. This surtax would graze just 5 percent of small businesses and would recoup only part of the $700 billion the 1 percenters received from the Bush tax cuts. In fact, it is so miniscule, those making $1 million annually would pay just $9,000 more in taxes every year - or nine-tenths of 1 percent of their 12-month haul.
Nonetheless, the 1 percenters have deployed an army to destroy the initiative.



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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/26/2009 12:14:25 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig

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One of the less obvious but important reasons for the prevalance of low birth weight babies is the quality of pre-natal care.
Something that is applicable to the health care debate. Why is the quality of pre-natal care so bad, is it perhaps because it costs too much? Or does it just generally suck in the US? You misread that, its the high quality of pre-natal care that results in more high risk births.

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A greater percentage of them survive till they can be removed safely. In other countries they are still born and dont make it into the infant mortality statistics.
Got any evidence of this, or are we just expected to take your word on it? As convenient an arguement as this might be, without some backing facts it is ignorable. In addition, I doubt the frequency of stillbirths is any greater in the EU or Canada the stillbirth comparison is more relevant to emerging economies. however, my main point was the number of premature/low birthweight babies that make it to birth. The UK is the leader in keeping birth stats, and there 1/14 of births are premature or low birth weight. In the US its 1/5. That is the main source of the difference in infant mortality rates. 25% of infant mortality is attributable to birthweight/maturity.






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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/26/2009 12:38:53 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Brain

Rich Have Highest Wealth, Lowest Taxes Since 1929
http://www.truthout.org/072509D

According to government figures, 1 percenters' share of America's total income is the highest it's been since 1929, and their tax rates are the lowest they've faced in two decades. Through bonuses, many 1 percenters will profit from the $23 trillion in bailout largesse the Treasury Department now says could be headed to financial firms. And most of them benefit from IRS decisions to reduce millionaire audits and collect zero taxes from the majority of major corporations.

But what really makes the ultra-wealthy so fortunate, what truly separates this moment from a run-of-the-mill Gilded Age, is the unprecedented protection the 1 percenters have bought for themselves on the most pressing issues.

To review: With 22,000 Americans dying each year because they lack health insurance, Congress is considering universal health-care legislation financed by a surcharge on income above $280,000 - that is, a levy almost exclusively on 1 percenters. This surtax would graze just 5 percent of small businesses and would recoup only part of the $700 billion the 1 percenters received from the Bush tax cuts. In fact, it is so miniscule, those making $1 million annually would pay just $9,000 more in taxes every year - or nine-tenths of 1 percent of their 12-month haul.
Nonetheless, the 1 percenters have deployed an army to destroy the initiative.





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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/26/2009 7:35:04 AM   
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They can start at the top of the list and work their way down. Sounds like a plan to me.

http://forbestadvice.com/Lists/RichestMen/RichestMenAmerica2008.html



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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/26/2009 7:47:35 AM   
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From Friday night to Monday morning I am usually locked in a facility with a firearm behind a double row of barbed wire topped chain link fences and have a lot of time on my hands (or "hand" whichever the case may be). I watch, or attempt to watch digital TV with rabbit ears (that digital TV is another business ripoff of the public is a topic for another thread).  I end up watching the damnedest programs. I have just been informed that there is a new site called "tweet a prayer" during the "Inner Compass" program.  I cannot answer my x's cell phone because I cannot turn it on so tweeting is out of the question.

However, my head turned so fast that I now have whip lash. The religious program took off on the health care issue like a saber saw.  It is evident that even the religious zealots get what is at stake and they did not pull any punches.  If they have an associate membership for atheists, I will join.

Every year.....in regard to just elder care......in Dade County alone.....there is over $2 billion in fraud.  If you want funding for a new system, the religious folks have a starting point.  I realize that we would be dealing with only the entry level republicans exercising the profit motive in fraud situations, but it is a start throughout the country.  Once we get used to prosecuting fraudulent types the funding of a plan will fall into place. There is an easy $100 billion savings per year nationwide and that is just in regard fraud in  elder care in  per year.  Start investigating and prosecuting fraud in other areas by looking for those who are reciting the mantra "remember that your health is our business, not our concern" and the bill will be paid in full.

In Dade County the last two years of elder care costs about $16,000.  Here the religious say the same thing as the CEO of Mayo Clinic said.  The amount is entirely too much; $5,000 is the approximate cost of planned care usually necessary.  Other areas of the country supply the same amount of service with better quality for $5,000.  Nationwide the savings of properly caring for the elderly might support a system that has been actively sought since Harry Truman campaigned on a health care platform in 1948.  Institute systems like the Cleveland Clinic, the Mayo Clinic and the Mountain (?) system out west that show more money is not needed but rather better use of the current funds.  An interesting phenomenon is that in Massachusetts cost controls  and the delivery controls are coming into line as the system matures; the better use of money is coming on line.

In the Bill Moyer's program it was again stated by two experts (Angell and Leiberman) that more money is not needed but rather the intelligent use of the current funds.  The US spends 2 1/2 times what other countries do and we get a substandard level of care.  Why?  Private insurers are the problem; for example, paying just one corporate CEO $30 million a year puts a dent on the ability to cover health care costs..  The experts  claim that the private insurers and pharmaceutical companies are now backing the plan  wanting a share of more funds coming into the so called system.  Obama had better watch out for the motives of his new found republican friends.  Several of the experts want Obama to take the issue away from the congressional delegation.  Then, put his original plan on the table and if necessary go down swinging so they can educate the public later and point our the deceit of the republicans and the health care industry.

More and more people are starting to understands why this issue is so important.  The CEO of Mayo Clinic said the US will be bankrupt by 2015 if we cannot pass health care. Today's experts say we will soon reach the point where the economy spends one of every three dollars on health care. Not surprisingly no one is citing the republicans as proposing  anything remotely constructive.  All the republicans want is for the health care industry to make more money.  You almost get the feeling that republican congressmen are paid by the insurance industry. Oh, yeah, that is what is exactly what is happening.  If you add up the payments made to republicans by the banking industry and the health care industry, no republican legislator is making less than $5 million a year. Havn't we allowed them to steal long enough? Since 1935 or 1948 are the years commonly cited.

I cannot remember all the statements made but Moyers played portions of the Savage, Boortz, Beck,  and O'Reilly's rantings.  They are advocating that liberals and democrats be killed in the rantings I heard.  We are considered just cattle by the republicans.


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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/26/2009 8:00:50 AM   
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Well unless I am mistaken, the present health care bill won't change any of that.

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/26/2009 9:01:07 AM   
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Well unless I am mistaken, the present health care bill won't change any of that.


Won't change the theft ethic?  I am afraid you are right.

That the present proposal (whatever it is) will not change much?  I am afraid you are right.

It will take me time to liquidate what is left but immigrating somewhere seems prudent.


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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/26/2009 9:14:28 AM   
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It will take me time to liquidate what is left but immigrating somewhere seems prudent.
hey, come north, being from Michigin you won't find the winters such a shock

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/26/2009 9:58:32 AM   
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Chairman Wants Health Deal By Tuesday


Energy and Commerce Chairman Henry A. Waxman, D-Calif., and Blue Dogs on his committee used the media to trade barbs and accusations on Friday, with Waxman accusing the moderates of conspiring to hand over control of his committee to Republicans, and Blue Dogs suggesting that Waxman had lied to them ………………

He said, though, that an agreement would have to be reached by Monday or Tuesday at the latest.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/cq/20090725/pl_cq_politics/politics3177024

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/26/2009 10:09:19 AM   
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Hillary Clinton

She goes one-on-one with David Gregory about her role in the Obama administration and the many hot spots around the globe and healthcare. She said healthcarewill pass.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/ns/meet_the_press_online_at_msnbc

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/26/2009 11:03:05 AM   
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Bill Moyers Journal . Trudy Lieberman and Marcia Angell PBS

The political posturing in the health care reform debate has provided plenty of grist for the news mill. But some important information is lost in the rhetoric. What exactly is in the plans Congress is considering, and will any of them help provide health care to more Americans affordably?

To get a clearer picture of what is and isn't being considered during the debate, Bill Moyers sits down with two experts on health care policy. Trudy Lieberman covers health care reform for COLUMBIA JOURNALISM REVIEW and is the director of the health and medical reporting program at the CUNY Graduate School of Journalism. Marcia Angell is a senior lecturer in social medicine at Harvard Medical School and the former editor-in-chief of the NEW ENGLAND JOURNAL OF MEDICINE.

CLICK ON WATCH VIDEO

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07242009/profile.html

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/26/2009 5:25:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lorr47

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ORIGINAL: Brain

Rich Have Highest Wealth, Lowest Taxes Since 1929
http://www.truthout.org/072509D

According to government figures, 1 percenters' share of America's total income is the highest it's been since 1929, and their tax rates are the lowest they've faced in two decades. Through bonuses, many 1 percenters will profit from the $23 trillion in bailout largesse the Treasury Department now says could be headed to financial firms. And most of them benefit from IRS decisions to reduce millionaire audits and collect zero taxes from the majority of major corporations.

But what really makes the ultra-wealthy so fortunate, what truly separates this moment from a run-of-the-mill Gilded Age, is the unprecedented protection the 1 percenters have bought for themselves on the most pressing issues.

To review: With 22,000 Americans dying each year because they lack health insurance, Congress is considering universal health-care legislation financed by a surcharge on income above $280,000 - that is, a levy almost exclusively on 1 percenters. This surtax would graze just 5 percent of small businesses and would recoup only part of the $700 billion the 1 percenters received from the Bush tax cuts. In fact, it is so miniscule, those making $1 million annually would pay just $9,000 more in taxes every year - or nine-tenths of 1 percent of their 12-month haul.
Nonetheless, the 1 percenters have deployed an army to destroy the initiative.





Don't you just love conspiracies by the wealthy to remain wealthy.  Do you think they want us to eat cake?




They want us to give them our money or use us to make money and they don't give a shit if we drop dead.

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/26/2009 5:28:49 PM   
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Why markets can’t cure healthcare

Paul Krugman
July 25, 2009, 5:07 pm

Judging both from comments on this blog and from some of my mail, a significant number of Americans believe that the answer to our health care problems — indeed, the only answer — is to rely on the free market. Quite a few seem to believe that this view reflects the lessons of economic theory.



http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/25/why-markets-cant-cure-healthcare/?em



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RE: HEALTH CARE - 7/26/2009 10:42:54 PM   
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Recession Stressful For Many Kids, Toughest On Poor And Uninsured


As the economy continues to falter, a poll released today shows that parents must make harder choices about how to spend what money they have, and children -- especially those who are uninsured or who are among the lowest income bracket -- are more at risk because of it.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/158791.php

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