quote:

ORIGINAL: KissBye2UrFunds

i thought that any president who can tie his own shoelaces is considered 'a very good president' in america.....

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


But you think Obama's "stimulus" trillions / cash for car giveaway / free health care budget-busting proposals are the bomb.

?

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brain

what do you think? Of course not. Let me make it perfectly clear. I do not agree with Dick Cheney or his daughter, Liz

quote:

All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Politics and Religion >> RE: HEALTH CARE Page: << < prev 23 24 25 26 [27]

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


If you are going to reply to a given post, why not reply to THAT post? Why reply to one that comes much later...

Here's the post you claim to be having difficulty with:

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Its funny that you should mention the Patriot Act because the biggest beef I have with this end run the Dems are making towards nationalized health care is how it gives the government more control over me and every other citizen - total control over our health care, essentially over our bodies, if they ever get to what they're truly aiming at.

Now, if you don't like your doctor or your provider you can switch. They have to treat you like you matter, because you have choices.

Under Orwelliancare, you'd be cattle moving through the system. Anyone too old or too feeble wouldn't qualify for many procedures because the payoff would be deemed too small, the cost-to-benefit ratio wouldn't add up according to tables they would keep on such matters.

Have to keep costs down, you know.

And nicotine use and other drug use would obviously come under tighter government control.

Anyone found to be obese might have to submit to various government programs in order to remain eligible for further Obamacare. Off to the fat farm with you, for free mandatory government reeducation regarding diet and exercise.

And so on.

Yeah, you thought the power given to government in the Patriot Act was bad - just wait til they get this, and then they get to see you in their examining room.

"Turn your head and go, "moo".

quote:

ORIGINAL: housesub4you

It's funny how they don't have time to read "this" bill but had no problem voting on the Patriot Act without reading it and pushed it through so very very fast

Now, where did I claim that anything is perfect?

I didn't, that's a red herring.

Right now, I have a choice, and so does most every other American. Some may piss their choices away by becoming brain-addled addicts or otherwise choosing self destructive paths, but most Americans who have chosen to apply themselves through work and study currently have many very good healthcare choices.

You don't like your doctor because he's a jerk? Tell him to go fuck himself, and find someone who has half a brain. Don't like your insurance? Switch providers, or find a company with better benefits.

Barney Frank admitted on camera what the goal of the left is - nationalized health care, wherein no one has a choice and decisions would of necessity be made on a cost basis. What other criteria do you think the faceless bureaucrats in charge would use? There is only so much money, and with "free healthcare" for everyone, if every tummy ache is good for a bottle of pain meds or if every bum knows a nose bleed is good for a night in the hospital with three squares a day, waitstaff, and a shower, what happens when the supply of "free" health care runs short?

Sacrifices will have to be made.

One last thing - if as you say, our perception of reality is totally out of sync, that's a good thing.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lorr47
After trying to understand your 10:56 post I have come to the conclusion that we do not live in the same country.  If I understand you, your argument against health care reform is that the so called system in the US is perfectly alright; that the present system allows choice and decisions are made on the basis of your worth as a human being.

Your feeling is that the reform will reduced us to cattle; have decisions made on cost rather than on the principled criteria currently in use; and  will allow no choice etc.

We could never debate.  Our perception of reality is totally out of sync.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

quote:

he was actually a very good president and a lot of the problems he had to deal with were not his fault. Things happened that were out of his control.

Alreday writing the Obama legacy?

quote:

ORIGINAL: whippedboy678

Wow. How can you just fucking LIE like that and present it as fact?
I just watched the utube clip with Barney Frank and all he said is he wants a public OPTION! Period. See, this is the type of bullshit that makes this IMPOSSIBLE to debate. You are so willing to lie or do anything else to make a point. Fucking amazing.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lorr47

Watch out Whippedboy.  He will call a moderator and tell them that we are in collusion.

Welcome.  A writer who is succinct and to the point not to mention perceptive enough to see the problem is always welcome.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brain

I like this
White House invites CEOs to lunch... then makes them pay for it

Next time maybe they'll bring their own brown bags. President Obama is proving there's no such thing as a free lunch at the White House these days, if you're a corporate mogul.

http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2009/07/31/2009-07-31_fork_it_over_white_house_invites_ceos_to_lunch_then_makes_them_pay_for_it.html

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brain

I like this
White House invites CEOs to lunch... then makes them pay for it

Next time maybe they'll bring their own brown bags. President Obama is proving there's no such thing as a free lunch at the White House these days, if you're a corporate mogul.

http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2009/07/31/2009-07-31_fork_it_over_white_house_invites_ceos_to_lunch_then_makes_them_pay_for_it.html

quote:

LOL! Don't worry Obama has made so many deals with with these guys to protect their bottom line that they can afford to spring for lunch for the guy..I'm sure Obama will be getting LOTS of free lunches and dinners from his corporate cronies. Why is that? Because -really- Obama is one of them..an elitist, a multi-millionaire. I'm sure he is glad to know that his dog and pony shows are being gobbled up the average American. Maybe he and his cronies are right, maybe Americans really are "dumb".

quote:

If you have a moderator on your ass it's not because of anything I did.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

No Brian, that's what is called a "strawman argument".

If I were defending insurers I would write something like, I can't understand why Democrats are against American companies making profits...  but I can certainly predict the results if these far left anti-business ideologues stay in power for very much longer.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brain

Of course we have money for this krud but no money for healthcare.
After $182 billion taxpayer rescue, is AIG on the verge of collapse?

You may remember American International Group ( AIG ). The U.S. government gave it $182 billion of taxpayer money last fall in exchange for a 78 percent stake. Of that money, $165 million went for bonuses to a handful of people in its Financial Products Group (FPG), which sold Credit Default Swaps (CDSs) on which AIG lacked the capital to make good. And $200 million more is slated for those good folks in 2009.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/07/31/after-182-billion-taxpayer-rescue-is-aig-on-the-verge-of-colla/