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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/2/2009 5:59:30 PM   
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Talk Radio Campaign Frightening Seniors
A campaign on conservative talk radio, fueled by President Obama's calls to control exorbitant medical bills, has sparked fear among senior citizens that the health-care bill moving through Congress will lead to end-of-life "rationing" and even "euthanasia."

The controversy stems from a proposal to pay physicians who counsel elderly or terminally ill patients about what medical interventions they would prefer near the end of life and how to prepare instructions such as living wills. Under the plan, Medicare would reimburse doctors for one session every five years to confer with a patient about his or her wishes and how to ensure those preferences are followed. The counseling sessions would be voluntary.

But on right-leaning radio programs, religious e-mail lists and Internet blogs, the proposal has been described as "guiding you in how to die," "an ORDER from the Government to end your life," promoting "death care" and, in the words of antiabortion leader Randall Terry, an attempt to "kill Granny."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/31/AR2009073103148.html?hpid=topnews

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/2/2009 6:03:03 PM   
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And the minute the seniors start asking their Dr's, this will be cleared up. Health Care Directives have been around a long time. Anyone who has been hospitalized has had this discussed with them. Its not a new topic in health care or law.

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/2/2009 6:04:30 PM   
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Can the US President save the patient? - Telegraph

AMERICAN health care has always been a bit of mystery to the rest of the developed world. Just why does the richest country on earth have an immunisation rate worse than Botswana's? Why do 38 other countries have lower infant mortality rates? And why are there 47 million people out of a population of 300 million without medical insurance?

Barack Obama, perhaps unwittingly, turned to Alice in Wonderland to try to explain the issue to his public, which can find the system as confusing as the rest of us.

"If there's a blue pill and a red pill and the blue pill is half the price of the red pill and works just as well, why not pay half price for the thing that's going to make you well?" he asked, before providing part of the answer. "The system right now doesn't incentivise that."

American doctors tend to prescribe the expensive pill because they are paid more to do so. They may also be over-inclined to remove tonsils, as the President highlighted, because "the doctor may look at the reimbursement system and say to himself, 'You know what, I make a lot more money if I take this kid's tonsils out'."

As a consequence, costs have soared into the realms of fantasy: a sixth of the US economy, $2.4 trillion (£1.45 trillion), was spent on health last year.

The Democrats, however, scored a significant victory in 1964 when President Lyndon Johnson, exploiting the mass sympathy created by John F Kennedy's assassination, managed to push through Medicare and Medicaid, two programmes that belie the myth that there is no free care in the US. In fact, all those over 65 are covered by Medicare, while Medicaid covers about 40 per cent of the poor, most of them children. Another scheme, the State Children's Health Insurance Program, assists children from families of modest income who earn too much for Medicaid. Hospital emergency rooms are also obliged to treat anyone who walks in, no matter how trivial the complaint. As a result they are always packed with sore throats and ankle sprains.

In the boom years, the system worked well – it still does, in fact, from many patients' point of view. It represented the best of America: dynamic, entrepreneurial and driven by consumer needs rather than the diktats of central authority. Now its bad elements have come to represent the worst: bloated, excessive, over-driven by profit and mired in bureaucracy.
In the boom years, the system worked well – it still does, in fact, from many patients' point of view. It represented the best of America: dynamic, entrepreneurial and driven by consumer needs rather than the diktats of central authority. Now its bad elements have come to represent the worst: bloated, excessive, over-driven by profit and mired in bureaucracy.

The US spends an annual $6,000 more per capita than any other industrialised nation on health care, but by almost every measure, its people are unhealthier. The reasons are manifold: insurance is not mandatory, so for a decade premiums for those who do want to be covered have risen three times faster than wages. Rapidly emerging new technologies have driven up costs, while doctors, as the President noted, are rewarded for services provided and not for the health of their patients.

Perhaps the biggest long-term obstacle to bringing down America's exorbitant bills is the attitude of the patients themselves. In a very un-British way, Americans expect the best and the shiniest from their medical providers, without fail.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/5896153/Can-the-US-President-save-the-patient.html

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/2/2009 6:07:45 PM   
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Maybe he had no healthcare
Praying man let his daughter die

A US jury has found a man guilty of killing his sick 11-year-old daughter by praying for her recovery rather than seeking medical care.

The man, Dale Neumann, told a court in the state of Wisconsin he believed God could heal his daughter.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8180116.stm

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/2/2009 6:10:59 PM   
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Maybe he was a nut case. There is NO excuse for allowing your child to die.

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/2/2009 6:42:13 PM   
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FACT CHECK: Distortions rife in health care debate
By CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writer Charles Babington, Associated Press Writer – Sun Aug 2, 12:58 pm ET

WASHINGTON – Confusing claims and outright distortions have animated the national debate over changes in the health care system. Opponents of proposals by President

Barack Obama and congressional Democrats falsely claim that government agents will force elderly people to discuss end-of-life wishes. Obama has played down the possibility that a health care overhaul would cause large numbers of people to change doctors and insurers.

To complicate matters, there is no clear-cut "Obama plan" or "Democratic plan." Obama has listed several goals, but he has drawn few lines in the sand.
The Senate is considering two bills that differ significantly. The House is waiting for yet another bill approved in committee.

A look at some claims being made about health care proposals:

CLAIM: The House bill "may start us down a treacherous path toward government-encouraged euthanasia," House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio said July 23.

Former New York Lt. Gov. Betsy McCaughey said in a July 17 article: "One troubling provision of the House bill compels seniors to submit to a counseling session every five years ... about alternatives for end-of-life care."

THE FACTS: The bill would require Medicare to pay for advance directive consultations with health care professionals. But it would not require anyone to use the benefit.
Advance directives lay out a patient's wishes for life-extending measures under various scenarios involving terminal illness, severe brain damage and situations. Patients and their families would consult with health professionals, not government agents, if they used the proposed benefit.

CLAIM: Health care revisions would lead to government-funded abortions.
Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council says in a video, "Unless Congress states otherwise, under a government takeover of health care, taxpayers will be forced to fund abortions for the first time in over three decades."


THE FACTS: The proposed bills would not undo the Hyde Amendment, which bars paying for abortions through Medicaid, the government insurance program for the poor. But a health care overhaul could create a government-run insurance program, or insurance "exchanges," that would not involve Medicaid and whose abortion guidelines are not yet clear.

Obama recently told CBS that the nation should continue a tradition of "not financing abortions as part of government-funded health care."

The House Energy and Commerce Committee amended the House bill Thursday to state that health insurance plans have the option of covering abortion, but no public money can be used to fund abortions. The bill says health plans in a new purchasing exchange would not be required to cover abortion but that each region of the country should have at least one plan that does.
Congressional action this fall will determine whether such language is in the final bill.

CLAIM: Americans won't have to change doctors or insurance companies.
"If you like your plan and you like your doctor, you won't have to do a thing," Obama said on June 23. "You keep your plan; you keep your doctor."

THE FACTS: The proposed legislation would not require people to drop their doctor or insurer. But some tax provisions, depending on how they are written, might make it cheaper for some employers to pay a fee to end their health coverage. Their workers presumably would move to a public insurance plan that might not include their current doctors.

CLAIM: The Democrats' plans will lead to rationing, or the government determining which medical procedures a patient can have.
"Expanding government health programs will hasten the day that government rations medical care to seniors," conservative writer Michael Cannon said in the Washington Times.

THE FACTS: Millions of Americans already face rationing, as insurance companies rule on procedures they will cover.
Denying coverage for certain procedures might increase under proposals to have a government-appointed agency identify medicines and procedures best suited for various conditions.
Obama says the goal is to identify the most effective and efficient medical practices, and to steer patients and providers to them. He recently told a forum: "We don't want to ration by dictating to somebody, 'OK, you know what? We don't think that this senior should get a hip replacement.' What we do want to be able to do is to provide information to that senior and to her doctor about, you know, this is the thing that is going to be most helpful to you in dealing with your condition."

CLAIM: Overhauling health care will not expand the federal deficit over the long term.
Obama has pledged that "health insurance reform will not add to our deficit over the next decade, and I mean it."

THE FACTS: Obama's pledge does not apply to proposed spending of about $245 billion over the next decade to increase Medicare fees for doctors. The White House says the extra payment, designed to prevent a scheduled cut of about 21 percent in doctor fees, already was part of the administration's policy.
Beyond that, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said the House bill lacks mechanisms to bring health care costs under control. In response, the White House and Democratic lawmakers are talking about creating a powerful new board to root out waste in government health programs. But it's unclear how that would work.
Budget experts also warn of accounting gimmicks that can mask true burdens on the deficit. The bipartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget says they include back-loading the heaviest costs at the end of the 10-year period and beyond.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090802/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_fact_check

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/2/2009 6:51:48 PM   
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Americans are Victims of Undeclared War that Makes Universal Healthcare Unaffordable

(NaturalNews) As all the pushing and shoving over universal health care coverage moves into high gear, one thing remains indisputable. If Americans were healthy the costs of insuring them would be a whole lot less, and coverage could easily be provided for all without breaking a sweat. Healthy people have no need to visit doctors or take expensive medicals tests. They don`t even need checkups or perceived authority figures to tell them what they already know. Unfortunately, most Americans are currently nowhere near a state of vibrant health. This is partly their fault in failing to take responsibility for keeping themselves healthy. But the greater fault lies in the fact that Americans have been victims of an ongoing undeclared war by their government and corporate leaders who have conspired to keep them in a state of disease. To achieve vibrant health for everyone, we as a people must be willing to take responsibility for ourselves and realize we have helped create the world in which we live by silently going along with such a war. To do this requires much courage and change. Here are some starting points:

Restore the quality of food
http://www.naturalnews.com/026748_health_food_disease.html

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/2/2009 7:14:57 PM   
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I may be wrong but I think religion makes people stupid. They want us to believe whatever they want and not to think for ourselves.

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/2/2009 7:20:39 PM   
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Thats like saying all republicans should use drugs because Rush did. Even those praying asked the family to take her. they refused. Parents have the responsibility... if i had been in that group watching that little girl... dang straight i would have called CPS, the local papers, an excorcist...

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/2/2009 8:29:31 PM   
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Geezzz dude (Brian)... you thought I had to be in the business to read the bill. I think you are failing to realize that all these articles mean nothing! Read the god damned bill! Then argue your case. lol

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/2/2009 8:42:43 PM   
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hey Lockit, you got that link? i cant find it.. lol

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/2/2009 8:55:45 PM   
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Lucy linked to it on this thread, but I can't find it. I didn't bookmark it because I saved it to my desktop in pdf form. There was another link that someone posted but it wouldn't load for me, but the link Lucy posted did work. It will take a while to download.

I searched the thread a number of pages but couldn't find it and I have to go get my son something to eat. I am really sorry. But it is in this thread.

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/2/2009 9:01:48 PM   
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ok Hun, thanks, ill look for it tomorrow

gesh.. how those lil doms in our lives pull us awau from the fun.. LOL... i so adore mine!

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/2/2009 9:04:10 PM   
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I found it! lol  http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-3200  Thank you Lucy!

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/2/2009 11:45:17 PM   
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Insight: Why dollars alone won't fix US healthcare

01 August 2009 by Peter Aldhous and Jim Giles

Magazine issue 2719.
Video: US healthcare debate

"WE'VE got healthcare that is better than anywhere else in the world," boasted conservative US pundit Rush Limbaugh in an interview with Fox News on 23 July. Many politicians have been echoing this claim in recent days, as Congress debates reforming the nation's healthcare. Sadly, it is not true.

Compared to other leading nations, the US spends vastly more per head on healthcare, while often getting worse outcomes. Despite these high and rising costs, which have set the nation on course for bankruptcy, the US lags behind other countries on measures such as life expectancy at birth (see graph) and infant mortality.


People who have health insurance get excessive medical interventions, escalating costs so that tens of millions can't afford it. Those left uninsured have minimal access to healthcare, and are likely to contribute significantly to the country's relatively poor health outcomes. Even the insured could be sent to an earlier grave by risky interventions they don't need.

Research at the Dartmouth School of Medicine in New Hampshire shows how high-spending regions of the country are driving the spiralling costs. Insurers and the government pay set fees for each medical intervention performed.

In some regions, doctors in institutions that are competing to become "centres of excellence" in high-paying fields may use unnecessary diagnostic tests, and surgeons often perform expensive procedures when cheap drugs may be a better option.

The main proposals now before Congress won't do much to tackle this problem. Rather, they concentrate on the important issue of expanding access to health insurance, and the Congressional Budget Office calculates that they will increase spending by hundreds of billions of dollars over the coming decade.

Cutting costs would involve more research into the comparative effectiveness of different tests and treatments, and giving doctors incentives to deliver quality care, not just paying them more for doing more.

Why the reluctance to tackle these issues? Partly it's because no politician wants to be accused of rationing healthcare.

One way forward might be to inform the public that sometimes less can be more. "When people understand, they're less likely to choose expensive, invasive procedures," says Shannon Brownlee of the New America Foundation a think tank based in Washington DC.


http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20327194.100-insight-why-dollars-alone-wont-fix-us-healthcare.html

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/3/2009 12:02:08 AM   
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I'm already going cross eyed with everything I've read, I don't want to read another
1,000 pages, maybe if I was getting paid to review it. I don't think I would understand it anyway, I'm not a lawyer. I trust BILL Moyers, PBS, and Wendall Potter the former
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Geezzz dude (Brian)... you thought I had to be in the business to read the bill. I think you are failing to realize that all these articles mean nothing! Read the god damned bill! Then argue your case. lol


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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/3/2009 10:26:06 AM   
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Something bureaucrats in Britain are considering to cut health care costs:


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Patients forced to live in agony after NHS refuses to pay for painkilling injections

Tens of thousands with chronic back pain will be forced to live in agony after a decision to slash the number of painkilling injections issued on the NHS, doctors have warned.

The Government's drug rationing watchdog says "therapeutic" injections of steroids, such as cortisone, which are used to reduce inflammation, should no longer be offered to patients suffering from persistent lower back pain when the cause is not known.


Instead the National Institute of Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE) is ordering doctors to offer patients remedies like acupuncture and osteopathy.



Specialists fear tens of thousands of people, mainly the elderly and frail, will be left to suffer excruciating levels of pain or pay as much as £500 each for private treatment.


The NHS currently issues more than 60,000 treatments of steroid injections every year. NICE said in its guidance it wants to cut this to just 3,000 treatments a year, a move which would save the NHS £33 million.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/5955840/Patients-forced-to-live-in-agony-after-NHS-refuses-to-pay-for-painkilling-injections.html


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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/3/2009 10:39:00 AM   
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Fact check: this was done for scientific reasons. The treatment in question (steroids for lower back pain) doesn't work. http://www.chiro.org/LINKS/ABSTRACTS/Steroid_injections_offer_little_relief.shtml

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Something bureaucrats in Britain are considering to cut health care costs:
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Patients forced to live in agony after NHS refuses to pay for painkilling injections

Tens of thousands with chronic back pain will be forced to live in agony after a decision to slash the number of painkilling injections issued on the NHS, doctors have warned.

The Government's drug rationing watchdog says "therapeutic" injections of steroids, such as cortisone, which are used to reduce inflammation, should no longer be offered to patients suffering from persistent lower back pain when the cause is not known.

Instead the National Institute of Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE) is ordering doctors to offer patients remedies like acupuncture and osteopathy.

Specialists fear tens of thousands of people, mainly the elderly and frail, will be left to suffer excruciating levels of pain or pay as much as £500 each for private treatment.

The NHS currently issues more than 60,000 treatments of steroid injections every year. NICE said in its guidance it wants to cut this to just 3,000 treatments a year, a move which would save the NHS £33 million.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/5955840/Patients-forced-to-live-in-agony-after-NHS-refuses-to-pay-for-painkilling-injections.html


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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/3/2009 10:41:13 AM   
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I know patients that have the injections and swear by them. I think I would listen to the patient's that have the pain and relief found wherever it may come from. They all aren't nut cases.

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/3/2009 10:44:14 AM   
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The article clearly says its being done to save money.  'The NHS currently issues more than 60,000 treatments of steroid injections every year. NICE said in its guidance it wants to cut this to just 3,000 treatments a year, a move which would save the NHS £33 million."

And your link is from some obscure chiropractic organization...

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Fact check: this was done for scientific reasons. The treatment in question (steroids for lower back pain) doesn't work. http://www.chiro.org/LINKS/ABSTRACTS/Steroid_injections_offer_little_relief.shtml







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