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Brain -> RE: HEALTH CARE (8/5/2009 10:31:51 PM)

Medicare is just too complicated for me to understand. The only thing I remember is somebody saying to let the uninsured be covered by Medicare. From what you posted they need to make some improvements.




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: HEALTH CARE (8/6/2009 11:23:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Brain

I don’t think it’s because he’s gutless. I think it took a lot of guts to run for the nomination and to beat Hillary and to deal with Reverand Wright and the race issue and other things, so I don’t think it’s because he’s gutless.



Fair enough, and a good point. You're right, the man obviously has some fortitude to him, of some type, or he wouldn't be president today. I think the problem is he lacks the courage to be wrong.

His own key political strategist, David Axelrod, warned him 3 years ago - when he was just starting to consider running for president - "you care too much what is written and said about you." There may be no more crippling weakness for a leader than that. If you're going to lead - I mean, truly lead people - you just cannot care what people say about you. My impression of Obama is that he has not yet learned that. The fate of his presidency is directly dependent upon how long it takes him to learn it.




Arpig -> RE: HEALTH CARE (8/6/2009 12:27:08 PM)

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His own key political strategist, David Axelrod, warned him 3 years ago - when he was just starting to consider running for president - "you care too much what is written and said about you." There may be no more crippling weakness for a leader than that. If you're going to lead - I mean, truly lead people - you just cannot care what people say about you. My impression of Obama is that he has not yet learned that. The fate of his presidency is directly dependent upon how long it takes him to learn it.
This is so very true. Look at any of the truely great leaders they were all willing to take the unpopular road when they saw it as necessary. Churchill before the war comes to mind, as does Trudeau during most of his tenure.




Brain -> RE: HEALTH CARE (8/6/2009 1:45:47 PM)

Fight back against health insurance lies

What does UnitedHealthcare CEO Stephen Hemsley have to lose if Congress passes real healthcare reform this year? Well, for starters, his nearly three quarters of a billion dollars in unexercised stock options might lose a few pennies on the dollar.

What does Isabella, a four year-old girl in Winsconsin who is physically incapable of eating and has had to be tube fed her entire life, have to gain from healthcare reform? The treatment she needs to live a normal life.
..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKI9be55N00




Lucylastic -> RE: HEALTH CARE (8/6/2009 2:10:12 PM)

He cant lose enough as far as Im concerned Brain. None of them can. Its beyond obscene.
unfortunately the people that need to watch this either wont or will have some glib answer or not give a shit. As long as their arses are covered.
Lucy






Brain -> RE: HEALTH CARE (8/6/2009 5:25:17 PM)

I agree with you and I hope people see it and show it to their friends. I must say it's hard to believe some people are so despicable. I don't think I could live with myself taking money that way, like Bill Maher said they are bloodsucking vampires. And I don't understand how some people defend this either.




Brain -> RE: HEALTH CARE (8/6/2009 5:41:03 PM)

Why a Doctor in Congress Has No Health Insurance

"I told her, 'I've got a plane to catch. If you can make that same offer to everybody I'm representing, then I'll accept it.' Then I turned to walk out," the Wisconsin allergist told me in one of two phone interviews this week. "It didn't seem right. It didn't feel right to me that I was being offered something that wasn't being offered to the people I was representing."

But on principle, Kagen declined them and all other coverage. His oldest child, a 28-year-old nurse-practitioner in Miami, doesn't have insurance either; she can't afford it. Kagen's wife and three college-age children are covered by a family policy, purchased by his wife, that does not include him. "I am literally naked, without coverage," Kagen said. "That gives me a lot of motivation to solve this problem. If everyone in Congress relinquished coverage, we'd get real progress in weeks."

Of course, he has a few advantages many people – including many members of Congress – don't have. He's in good shape, "healthy as a guy can be for almost 60." He's also well off, so high costs won't necessarily ruin him. Still, if catastrophic illness strikes, he said, "I've got a real problem."

Beyond money and good health, Kagen has the stature of being a doctor, first-hand knowledge of federal programs and a good sense of how much procedures really cost. Case in point: Kagen had knee surgery in January. He was going to be billed $1,400 for the MRI. "I said, 'I don't have insurance -- what do you accept under Medicare?' I negotiated a better price," he said. "Same for my surgeon. He couldn't tell me the price because he didn't know. I said, 'This knee is pretty bad. Why don't I try it before I buy it?'"

What he meant was, he would negotiate a price after he saw the results. How'd that work out? "Instead of $8,400, I paid $4,200," Kagen said. Would a civilian – not a doctor, not in Congress– be able to bargain with doctors and hospitals that way? "I don't think people understand the power that they have in terms of bargaining for a price," Kagen said.

He added that everyone will benefit from competition when they are finally able to comparison shop in "a medical marketplace." The marketplace, or exchange, has broad support on Capitol Hill and most versions of health reform include a public plan to compete with offerings from private insurers.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/08/05/why-a-doctor-in-congress-has-no-health-insurance/




willbeurdaddy -> RE: HEALTH CARE (8/6/2009 6:49:19 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Brain

Why a Doctor in Congress Has No Health Insurance

"I told her, 'I've got a plane to catch. If you can make that same offer to everybody I'm representing, then I'll accept it.' Then I turned to walk out," the Wisconsin allergist told me in one of two phone interviews this week. "It didn't seem right. It didn't feel right to me that I was being offered something that wasn't being offered to the people I was representing."

But on principle, Kagen declined them and all other coverage. His oldest child, a 28-year-old nurse-practitioner in Miami, doesn't have insurance either; she can't afford it. Kagen's wife and three college-age children are covered by a family policy, purchased by his wife, that does not include him. "I am literally naked, without coverage," Kagen said. "That gives me a lot of motivation to solve this problem. If everyone in Congress relinquished coverage, we'd get real progress in weeks."

Of course, he has a few advantages many people – including many members of Congress – don't have. He's in good shape, "healthy as a guy can be for almost 60." He's also well off, so high costs won't necessarily ruin him. Still, if catastrophic illness strikes, he said, "I've got a real problem."

Beyond money and good health, Kagen has the stature of being a doctor, first-hand knowledge of federal programs and a good sense of how much procedures really cost. Case in point: Kagen had knee surgery in January. He was going to be billed $1,400 for the MRI. "I said, 'I don't have insurance -- what do you accept under Medicare?' I negotiated a better price," he said. "Same for my surgeon. He couldn't tell me the price because he didn't know. I said, 'This knee is pretty bad. Why don't I try it before I buy it?'"

What he meant was, he would negotiate a price after he saw the results. How'd that work out? "Instead of $8,400, I paid $4,200," Kagen said. Would a civilian – not a doctor, not in Congress– be able to bargain with doctors and hospitals that way? "I don't think people understand the power that they have in terms of bargaining for a price," Kagen said.

He added that everyone will benefit from competition when they are finally able to comparison shop in "a medical marketplace." The marketplace, or exchange, has broad support on Capitol Hill and most versions of health reform include a public plan to compete with offerings from private insurers.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/08/05/why-a-doctor-in-congress-has-no-health-insurance/


A nurse practioner at age 28 cant afford health insurance? A doctor going without coverage? Doesnt pass the smell test.




servantforuse -> RE: HEALTH CARE (8/6/2009 6:58:37 PM)

Not passing the smell test is putting it mildly. He is lying, plain and simple..




tazzygirl -> RE: HEALTH CARE (8/6/2009 7:13:28 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Brain

Why a Doctor in Congress Has No Health Insurance

"I told her, 'I've got a plane to catch. If you can make that same offer to everybody I'm representing, then I'll accept it.' Then I turned to walk out," the Wisconsin allergist told me in one of two phone interviews this week. "It didn't seem right. It didn't feel right to me that I was being offered something that wasn't being offered to the people I was representing."

But on principle, Kagen declined them and all other coverage. His oldest child, a 28-year-old nurse-practitioner in Miami, doesn't have insurance either; she can't afford it. Kagen's wife and three college-age children are covered by a family policy, purchased by his wife, that does not include him. "I am literally naked, without coverage," Kagen said. "That gives me a lot of motivation to solve this problem. If everyone in Congress relinquished coverage, we'd get real progress in weeks."

Of course, he has a few advantages many people – including many members of Congress – don't have. He's in good shape, "healthy as a guy can be for almost 60." He's also well off, so high costs won't necessarily ruin him. Still, if catastrophic illness strikes, he said, "I've got a real problem."

Beyond money and good health, Kagen has the stature of being a doctor, first-hand knowledge of federal programs and a good sense of how much procedures really cost. Case in point: Kagen had knee surgery in January. He was going to be billed $1,400 for the MRI. "I said, 'I don't have insurance -- what do you accept under Medicare?' I negotiated a better price," he said. "Same for my surgeon. He couldn't tell me the price because he didn't know. I said, 'This knee is pretty bad. Why don't I try it before I buy it?'"

What he meant was, he would negotiate a price after he saw the results. How'd that work out? "Instead of $8,400, I paid $4,200," Kagen said. Would a civilian – not a doctor, not in Congress– be able to bargain with doctors and hospitals that way? "I don't think people understand the power that they have in terms of bargaining for a price," Kagen said.

He added that everyone will benefit from competition when they are finally able to comparison shop in "a medical marketplace." The marketplace, or exchange, has broad support on Capitol Hill and most versions of health reform include a public plan to compete with offerings from private insurers.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/08/05/why-a-doctor-in-congress-has-no-health-insurance/


A nurse practioner at age 28 cant afford health insurance? A doctor going without coverage? Doesnt pass the smell test.


A NP may not be able to afford it. She is relatively new out of school, loans, a practice, medical malpractice, ect. I find it plausible... her MI rates will be high.. as will her private insurance because of her job.




Brain -> RE: HEALTH CARE (8/6/2009 10:08:36 PM)

A Canadian doctor diagnoses U.S. healthcare - Los Angeles Times

The caricature of 'socialized medicine' is used by corporate interests to confuse Americans and maintain their bottom lines instead of patients' health.

Universal health insurance is on the American policy agenda for the fifth time since World War II. In the 1960s, the U.S. chose public coverage for only the elderly and the very poor, while Canada opted for a universal program for hospitals and physicians' services. As a policy analyst, I know there are lessons to be learned from studying the effect of different approaches in similar jurisdictions. But, as a Canadian with lots of American friends and relatives, I am saddened that Americans seem incapable of learning them.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-rachlis3-2009aug03,0,538126.story




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: HEALTH CARE (8/7/2009 12:02:57 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Not passing the smell test is putting it mildly. He is lying, plain and simple..


Why do you say that?




Brain -> RE: HEALTH CARE (8/7/2009 12:35:17 AM)

Does Obama want to kill your grandma?

Obama wants to kill your grandma
Five right-wing myths about healthcare reform, and the facts
By Mike Madden
Aug. 06, 2009 |


Turning America socialist apparently wasn't enough for him -- now President Obama is trying to make old people kill themselves, callously deny important medical procedures, funnel tax dollars to abortion clinics and wiggle the government's way into every doctor's office in America.

At least, that's the sense you might have about the healthcare reform proposals Congress is considering from listening to opponents describe them. Already, conservative activists have erupted against the plan, with protesters hanging Democratic lawmakers in effigy and disrupting town hall meetings.

As both the House and the Senate clear out of the Capitol for the month, expect the viral buzz -- and the TV battle -- about what's in the bills to grow louder and louder. The White House finally seems to have realized that the administration can't win the policy debate without addressing some of the attacks from the right. Aides recently released a video rebutting some of the claims about what healthcare reform would and wouldn't do. An administration official told Salon Wednesday that the White House will soon launch a Web site modeled on the "Fight the Smears" site Obama's campaign ran last fall, where voters can find -- and debunk -- some of the rumors about the reform proposals, and the White House is already collecting chain e-mails at "[email protected]," an address Obama aides set up to receive them.

But the administration might already be behind the curve. Over the last few weeks, opponents have managed to get out their spin on the bill through talk radio, blogs, chain e-mails and other channels. And their talking points depend on a notably elastic approach to the truth. Here's a fact check of some of the more alarming claims that the right is making about healthcare reform, claims that are already hardening into myth.

Myth 1:
Democrats want to kill your grandmother.

This claim seems too outlandish on its face to get much traction, but Republicans actually made some headway on it recently. Two House GOP leaders put out a statement warning that the healthcare reform bill "may start us down a treacherous path toward government-encouraged euthanasia."

To hear opponents of reform talk about it, the legislation would force seniors to go in for sessions once every five years -- and more frequently if they're sick -- where doctors will encourage them to end their lives. Rep. Virginia Foxx, R-N.C., summarized the scare tactic pretty well on the House floor last week, when she said the bill would "put seniors in a position of being put to death by their government," and therefore, wouldn't be pro-life. The GOP has pushed this line especially hard with some of the conservative groups behind the government's intervention in the Terri Schiavo case a few years ago, hoping to get antiabortion allies on board fighting reform. "Can you imagine the response of the American people when they find this out?" one-time GOP presidential candidate Fred Thompson asked about the alleged euthanasia scheme on his radio show last month.

"They're going to counsel you on preparing you to die," Rush Limbaugh pronounced a few weeks ago. Proof of how far this attack has spread came last week, when a caller to an AARP forum asked Obama about it directly. (Probably unwisely, the president tried to make light of the question, saying there weren't enough government employees to go meet with old people to talk about end-of-life care.)

There is a kernel of truth at the root of this attack: The legislation would order Medicare to pay for consultations between patients and doctors on end-of-life decisions, which it currently doesn't cover. But the consultations wouldn't be mandatory; if your grandmother doesn't want to go talk to her doctor about end-of-life care, she won't have to.

Because Medicare doesn't pay for this kind of planning now, only 40 percent of seniors who depend on the government insurance say they have an advance directive that tells healthcare providers what measures they do and don't want used to prolong their life, even though 75 percent say they think it's important.

The lack of planning actually costs a lot of money. Medicare spends billions and billions of dollars annually on expensive treatment during the last year of a dying patient's life. Without allowing Medicare to pay for end-of-life consultations, it's hard to know whether patients even want to go to such expensive lengths.

Myth 2:
The government -- i.e., you -- will have to pay for abortions.

This is another way the GOP is stirring up antiabortion activists against healthcare reform -- by warning that your tax dollars will be used to pay for someone else's abortion.

An ad by the Family Research Council dramatizes the issue about as creepily as possible. "To think that Planned Parenthood is included in the government-run healthcare plan and spending tax dollars on abortions," a distraught older man tells his wife, sitting at their kitchen table after opening a letter from the government.

"They won't pay for my surgery, but we're forced to pay abortions." The narrator lays out what's going on: "Our greatest generation denied care, our future generations denied life."

A House Republican aide says the GOP thinks this could be the most potent type of viral attack against reform, since antiabortion Democrats will have trouble voting for the legislation if it includes taxpayer funding for the procedure.


But only the most extreme antiabortion reading of the legislation would say it does that. The words "Planned Parenthood" and "abortion" don't appear anywhere in the text, despite conservative buzz that it would funnel millions of dollars to killing babies.

(A proposal in the Senate version of the reform legislation would require insurance plans to cover preventive care and screening visits to community health providers, which could include Planned Parenthood.)

Even an AP story that Matt Drudge was hyping on Wednesday as proof that the government would be funding abortions didn't go quite that far -- instead, the story detailed a fight over whether women who buy government-subsidized private insurance through a proposed exchange system should be able to have abortions covered by their plans.

Pro-choice lawmakers are trying to craft a compromise that would require insurance companies to pay for abortions out of premiums paid by patients, not out of tax dollars.

Pro-choice Rep. Lois Capps, D-Calif., amended the House version of the legislation to state that abortion is not part of an "essential benefits package" that all insurance plans must provide -- meaning someone could offer a special "pro-life health insurance" plan that doesn't cover abortions, even under the reforms.


Myth 3:
Obama will ban all private health insurance.

Allegedly, the House proposal for healthcare reform bans private insurance. This rumor comes complete with a citation:

"Right there on Page 16 is a provision making individual private medical insurance illegal," the unflaggingly pro-business paper Investors Business Daily wrote in an editorial last month. Other right-wing blogs and news outlets picked up on the idea, as well. It fits in with a broader message Republicans have been using: The reform will lead to a total government takeover of healthcare.

The IBD line is literally true -- Section 102 of the House bill says insurance companies can't independently issue any new individual policies after the legislation takes effect (though existing policies are grandfathered in).

But it misses the point. Private plans aren't banned, but rather shifted into the new health insurance exchange the legislation would set up. You can still get a private policy, but the way in which you buy it changes. If you wanted to buy your own insurance, you have to do it through the government-run insurance exchange. Your policy becomes part of broader risk pools, which makes the premiums cheaper and keeps insurance companies from dumping them once they get sick. PolitiFact looked into the claim and rated the IBD editorial "pants on fire," its lowest rating -- as in, "Liar, liar, pants on fire."

Myth 4:
The government can't possibly run a healthcare program.

Opponents of reform trot out comparisons to government services frequently when they try to argue against a public, government-funded healthcare plan. Republicans drew up a chart that purports to show how convoluted the bureaucracy involved in any government plan would be. This message doesn't make Obama the enemy, it makes government inefficiency the enemy. "If you like the Post Office and the Department of Motor Vehicles and you think they're run well, just wait till you see Medicare, Medicaid and healthcare done by the government," conservative economist Arthur Laffer told CNN this week.

If that doesn't quite make sense, there's a reason -- Medicare and Medicaid are, of course, government-run healthcare programs. Medicare in particular is quite popular; polling shows some seniors are anxious that the reform will affect the care they already get from the government.

(In fact, Democratic pollster Celinda Lake says she frequently encounters voters who say they want to keep the government out of their Medicare.)

The Department of Veterans Administration also runs a healthcare system that experts praise for its well-developed health information technology network, which lets doctors see results of tests and procedures any patient has had anywhere in the network -- eliminating the wasteful duplication that Obama says he wants to cut out of the larger healthcare world, as well.

Myth 5:
Unlike private insurance, government bureaucrats will ration care.

This line also makes government the enemy. "You may want healthcare that your doctor has prescribed for you," Peter Ferrara, of the anti-tax, anti-government Institute for Policy Innovation, wrote on the National Review last month. "But the rationing bureaucracy in Washington that doesn’t even know you, or your doctor, may decide that your doctor doesn’t know what he’s talking about, or that you are too old for the government to pay for your hip replacement to stop the pain, or to get an expensive triple bypass or a pacemaker operation to save your life."

Since the Obama administration keeps talking about encouraging doctors to shift to outcome-based pay scales and evidence-based guidelines for what treatments or procedures to use, opponents don't have much trouble painting a troubling picture of faceless government hacks denying the care you -- or your loved ones -- need.

Of course, there are already plenty of faceless hacks denying people care right now; they just work for private insurance companies, not the government, and they're denying care because that helps keep the insurers' profit margins up.

At a recent House hearing, just three insurance companies testified that they had "rescinded" -- or dropped -- coverage for nearly 20,000 patients between 2003 and 2007, often after patients had submitted claims they thought would be covered. Even Republicans seem to know the insurance companies can be bad. "I would always rather the devil I know than the devil I don't know," House GOP boss John Boehner said last week, explaining why going after the government works even though private insurance companies would seem to be just as much of a villain.
-- By Mike Madden



http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/08/06/healthcare/




cadenas -> RE: HEALTH CARE (8/7/2009 3:58:25 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
A nurse practioner at age 28 cant afford health insurance? A doctor going without coverage? Doesnt pass the smell test.


Not just "a doctor". Congressman Kagen, M.D. of Appleton, Wisconsin.

What makes you think that a nurse practitioner at age 28 CAN afford health insurance? What do you think her premium would be?




willbeurdaddy -> RE: HEALTH CARE (8/7/2009 8:56:36 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: cadenas

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
A nurse practioner at age 28 cant afford health insurance? A doctor going without coverage? Doesnt pass the smell test.


Not just "a doctor". Congressman Kagen, M.D. of Appleton, Wisconsin.

What makes you think that a nurse practitioner at age 28 CAN afford health insurance? What do you think her premium would be?



If shes healthy, for a low deductible low co pay plan, 100-150 a month in Wisconsin.

The 25th percentile nurse practioner salary is $72k. The average starting salary is 56k. Youre damn right they can afford it.




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: HEALTH CARE (8/7/2009 9:41:32 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: cadenas

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
A nurse practioner at age 28 cant afford health insurance? A doctor going without coverage? Doesnt pass the smell test.


Not just "a doctor". Congressman Kagen, M.D. of Appleton, Wisconsin.

What makes you think that a nurse practitioner at age 28 CAN afford health insurance? What do you think her premium would be?



If shes healthy, for a low deductible low co pay plan, 100-150 a month in Wisconsin.


And if she's not?




Brain -> RE: HEALTH CARE (8/7/2009 12:57:11 PM)

Most people don't know this I suppose

Heavy Drinkers Of Beer And Spirits Face Significantly Increased Cancer Risk
Heavy drinkers of beer and spirits face a much higher risk of developing cancer than the population at large, says a group of Montreal epidemiologists and cancer researchers. Their findings show that people in the highest consumption category increased their risk of developing oesophageal cancer sevenfold, colon cancer by 80% and even lung cancer by 50%.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/159744.php




Brain -> RE: HEALTH CARE (8/7/2009 1:06:55 PM)

Obama Really Does Have Best Health Care In The World

"When President Barack Obama said at a recent news conference that he has the best health care in the world, he wasn't exaggerating," The Chicago Tribune reports. "The White House medical unit with a staff of four doctors and even more nurses and physicians' assistants is just steps from his office, ready to provide free treatment to him and his family. ... Air Force One is stocked with equipment to rapidly assemble an onboard operating room. … White House physicians provide free medical coverage for the first family and the vice president's family, as well as urgent treatment to White House staff and visitors as needed."

"The personal physicians and access to military hospitals come on top of a choice of 10 family health insurance options that Obama receives along with all other federal employees." The president is responsible for his own co-pays and deductibles. Under the most popular plan offered to federal employees, "a doctor's visit costs $20 and generic drugs are $10" (Dorning, 8/4).

http://www.chicagotribune.com/health/chi-obama-health-care-04-aug04,0,5175138.story

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/159841.php




Brain -> RE: HEALTH CARE (8/7/2009 1:22:40 PM)

White House: 'No Middle Class Tax Hike'

"The White House tried Monday to douse speculation that it might raise taxes on the middle class in violation of President Obama's campaign promise, just a day after two of his top economic advisers left the door open to such a move to rein in spiraling deficits," The New York Times reports. "Mr. Obama told his economic team in a meeting at the White House that he intended to stand by his promise not to increase taxes on families making less than $250,000, aides said."

White House and Congressional Democrats have proposed increasing taxes on the wealthiest Americans to help pay for a health care overhaul. But "some critics from the left have suggested that Mr. Obama should not limit tax increases to the rich so that a broader cross section of Americans would be invested in the new health care system, as they are in Social Security and Medicare" (Baker, 8/3).

"The scene underscored the peril of Obama's refusal to endorse specific proposals put forth by lawmakers to pay for a heath care overhaul that extends coverage to the uninsured and achieves the other broad goals he's outlined," according to an analysis by The Associated Press. "Without a firm plan the White House can call its own, Obama has exposed himself -- and the officials who speak for his administration -- to an intense scrutiny of their every word." This could prove problematic this month. "As lawmakers head back to their homes for August, Democrats are facing the prospect of defending a sweeping health care overhaul without having any solid commitment from Obama on how the changes will be financed. And the last thing Democratic lawmakers want is for their town hall meetings on the health care overhaul to be dominated by a debate on whether a middle class tax increase is the best way to pay for the changes Obama wants" (Elliott, 8/4).

The Hill: "Labor unions and liberal activists - a large part of the Democratic base - criticized the administration for going back on one of President Barack Obama's campaign promises. 'It's a pretty important campaign promise,' said Thea Lee, policy director at the AFL-CIO. Lee described the comments as a 'trial balloon' and shift in the administration's message" (Bolton and Youngman, 8/3).

Bloomberg: "'The president was clear during the campaign about his commitment on not raising taxes on middle-class families,' White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said yesterday. 'I don't think any economist would believe that in the environment that we're in raising taxes on middle-class families would make any sense. And the president agrees'" (Johnston and Brower, 8/4).

Meanwhile, "The recession is starving the government of tax revenue, just as the president and Congress are piling a major expansion of health care and other programs on the nation's plate and struggling to find money to pay the tab," The Associated Press reports in a separate article. "The numbers could hardly be more stark: Tax receipts are on pace to drop 18 percent this year, the biggest single-year decline since the Great Depression, while the federal deficit balloons to a record $1.8 trillion. ... The future of current programs - not to mention the new ones Obama is proposing - will depend largely on how fast the economy recovers from the recession, said William Gale, co-director of the Tax Policy Center" (Ohlemacher, 8/3).

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/159840.php




tazzygirl -> RE: HEALTH CARE (8/7/2009 1:24:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: cadenas

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
A nurse practioner at age 28 cant afford health insurance? A doctor going without coverage? Doesnt pass the smell test.


Not just "a doctor". Congressman Kagen, M.D. of Appleton, Wisconsin.

What makes you think that a nurse practitioner at age 28 CAN afford health insurance? What do you think her premium would be?



If shes healthy, for a low deductible low co pay plan, 100-150 a month in Wisconsin.

The 25th percentile nurse practioner salary is $72k. The average starting salary is 56k. Youre damn right they can afford it.


Hell, my work insurance in Ohio, SC, NC and PA cost more than that! But i did find a policy to cover her by the amounts you quoted... Man.. she is lucky to get such a policy that pays... ummm? and what happens if she has kids?

for $92 a month she gets....

Copay Select 70/30 $5,000 Deductible
$5,000 Deductible
30% Inpatient Copay
PPO Plan
Annual Deductible
Individual: $5,000 Family: $10,000
Physician Office Visits
$35
Prescription Drugs
Tier 1-$15 ; Tier 2-$35, Tier 3-$65, Tier 4-25% (tiers 2-4 Combined $200 Deductible/person/year)
Inpatient Hospital
30%
Maternity Care
Not Covered
Annual Out-Of-Pocket Limit
Individual: $5,000 Per Person (deductible And Copays Not Included)
Lifetime Maximum (Most Services)
$3,000,000 (enhancement Available)
Annual physical exam
$35
Outpatient Surgery
30%
Emergency Room
30% (plus $100 Copay For Illness, Waived If Admitted)
Acupuncture / Acupressure
Not Covered

For $118 a month she gets....

Copay Select 70/30 $2,500 Deductible
$2,500 Deductible
30% Inpatient Copay
PPO Plan
Annual Deductible
Individual: $2,500 Family: $5,000
Physician Office Visits
$35
Prescription Drugs Tier 1-$15 ; Tier 2-$35, Tier 3-$65, Tier 4-25% (tiers 2-4 Combined $200 Deductible/person/year)
Inpatient Hospital
30%
Maternity Care
Not Covered
Annual Out-Of-Pocket Limit
Individual: $5,000 Per Person (deductible And Copays Not Included)
Lifetime Maximum (Most Services)
$3,000,000 (enhancement Available)

for $98 a month she gets....

Copay Saver $2,500 Deductible
$2,500 Deductible
20% Inpatient Copay
PPO Plan
Annual Deductible
Individual: $2,500 Family: $5,000
Physician Office Visits
$35 Then 0% For History And Exam (2/person/year)
Prescription Drugs
$15 Generic, Brand Not Covered
Inpatient Hospital
20%
Maternity Care
Not Covered
Annual Out-Of-Pocket Limit
Individual: $3,000 Per Person (deductible And Copays Not Included)
Lifetime Maximum (Most Services)
$3,000,000 (enhancement Available)


Additional Benefits Covered By Plan (In-Network Services Rendered by a Participating Plan Provider)
Laboratory and Radiology Laboratory and Radiology Laboratory and Radiology
A)30%
B) 30%
C)20% If Performed Within 14 Days Of Surgery Or Confinement

Annual physical exam Annual physical exam Annual physical exam
A)$35
B)$35
C) $35

Outpatient Surgery Outpatient Surgery Outpatient Surgery
A)30%
B) 30%
C) 20%

Emergency Room Emergency Room Emergency Room
A)30% (plus $100 Copay For Illness, Waived If Admitted)
B) 30% (plus $100 Copay For Illness, Waived If Admitted)
C) $500 (waived If Admitted) Then 20%



Acupuncture / Acupressure
Not Covered





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