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Jurassic Park V: Bleatings From the Tar Pit! - 7/16/2009 6:40:36 PM   
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Oh My Fucking God!!! Did anyone else just catch the Rachel Madow Show a few minutes ago? Jesus! Patrick J. Buchannan opened his mouth, and branded himself a bigot forever more! If you can, check out the repeat later tonight, otherwise, I'm sure that you'll be able to pick it up on MSNBC.com tomorrow... and on every talking head show with half a shred of credibility for the next few days! 

Honest to God, guys. If you really, really want to know why I outright detest everything that the GOP stands for, check out this interview! This should give you some inkling on how I see this out of date, mean, shit-on-a-shingle party!

Even if you agree with Pat's bigotry, (God help you if you do!) you'll at least get a laugh out of Rachel's stunned expressions. She, and I'm sure most of her audiance, were all thinking the same thing: "I thought these had gone extinct ages ago..."
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RE: Jurassic Park V: Bleatings From the Tar Pit! - 7/16/2009 6:56:13 PM   
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RE: Jurassic Park V: Bleatings From the Tar Pit! - 7/16/2009 9:03:47 PM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysbi5bxKxYU

Don't know how long it will stay up.

Pat has lost it.

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RE: Jurassic Park V: Bleatings From the Tar Pit! - 7/16/2009 9:06:02 PM   
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Before I begin, let me say the only thing I like about Pat Buchannen is he is often entertaining, his positions are generally way out in right field, and not to my liking.

I watched it and I didn't see anything all that outrageous. His main point was that Sotomayor isn't SCOTUS material, and that she is being nominated mostly because she is a Latina. Now I have no idea about her qualifications, and I won't venture to pass judgement on them, but her being a Latina is a big part of the publicity surrounding her nomination. How big a part did it play in Obama chosing her, I don't know, nobody but Obama knows, but I willing to hazard a guess that it played a significant part in it.

As to Buchannen's claim that affirmative action is legalised discrimination against white males, well he's basically correct, it is. Now I am not against affirmative action in principle, I agree that there should be programs in place to assist historically disadvantaged segments of the population (in Canada, the aboriginals stand out particularly, not so much the black community, but there isn't the history in Canada between blacks and whites that there is in the US), but quotas, etc are a step to far.

Madow's constant reiteration of the 108 of 110 Supreme Court Justices have been white is a statistic that is irrelevant, For a very long time, white men were the only people allowed to vote in the US, and were the only people eligable to sit on the Supreme Court, so of course the majority of the Justices would be white men. Buchannen's reply to this factoid was lame as hell, but Madow immediatly discredited herself by trying to twist Buchannen's words into saying he believed that white men were somehow especially qualified for the SCOTUS, which is not what he said at all.

For positions such as Supreme Court Justice, Buchannen is right, that the race or gender of the nominees should not be a factor in their selection. What may or may not be right, is his assertion that race and gender were the main factors in Sotomayor's selection. Just as I feel it was wrong of people to vote for (or against) Obama on the basis of his being black (or half black if you want to be picky about it), It would be wrong to appoint (or to deny) somebody to the SCOTUS on the basis of race or gender. Madow, at the end of the segment, asked if Buchannen thought it was a positive thing for America that a Latina was about to be appointed to the SCOTUS. I think the question itself somewhat reinforces what Buchannen was saying, that her being a Latina is a major part of her nomination. Why on earth would it matter to any great degree that she is a Latina, what should matter primarily is that she is qualified for the position, and her being a Latina should be a footnote.



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RE: Jurassic Park V: Bleatings From the Tar Pit! - 7/16/2009 9:20:02 PM   
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In a nation of 300 million people there are undoubtedly dozens, perhaps hundreds, of people who would make excellent Supreme Court justices. I'm positive Judge Sotomayor is in the group.

The question becomes how to winnow that group down to choose just one. Obviously the President tries to choose a person who shares a similiar way of viewing the Constitution and the law. But that surely still leaves many, 20 or more at least, candidates. So what other things will help you decide? Personally I'd be prone to try and balance out the court by region of the country and by places of education which IMO would serve to increase the diversity of experience and opinions on the court. I also see no problem with getting down to whatever final group and choosing one from an ethnic or racial group that hasn't been represented as well.

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RE: Jurassic Park V: Bleatings From the Tar Pit! - 7/16/2009 9:23:06 PM   
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choosing one from an ethnic or racial group that hasn't been represented as well

But isn't that technically illegal?


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RE: Jurassic Park V: Bleatings From the Tar Pit! - 7/16/2009 9:45:15 PM   
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By Buchannan's own argument...Thomas should be judged even less qualified than Sotomayor and only there because he is a black man aided during most of his life by affirmative action and on the court only...because he is black.

Add to that the fact that Thomas has never written anything substantial at all on law and never written a majority opinion since being on the court. He just votes with Scalia and Alito.

Not surprisingly, with Bush I having put Sotomayor on the federal courts to start...now becomes an obvious double standard.

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RE: Jurassic Park V: Bleatings From the Tar Pit! - 7/16/2009 11:00:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig

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choosing one from an ethnic or racial group that hasn't been represented as well

But isn't that technically illegal?


There are no laws governing choosing SCOTUS justices. The US Constitution simply gives the President the right to name appointees and Senate the right to 'advise and consent.'

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RE: Jurassic Park V: Bleatings From the Tar Pit! - 7/16/2009 11:34:52 PM   
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Wouldn't the laws against discrimination apply? If not, why not?

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RE: Jurassic Park V: Bleatings From the Tar Pit! - 7/17/2009 12:57:11 AM   
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quote:

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Wouldn't the laws against discrimination apply? If not, why not?

As far as I can find presidential appointments aren't covered by any anti discrimination laws. They certainly weren't taken into account when GWB offered 2 successive white guys for SCOTUS or his cabinet far under representing the nation's demographics.

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RE: Jurassic Park V: Bleatings From the Tar Pit! - 7/17/2009 4:18:59 AM   
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sounds like some people Still dont think minorities should have representation

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RE: Jurassic Park V: Bleatings From the Tar Pit! - 7/17/2009 4:35:28 AM   
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Buchanan came off as an angry old man....clinging to outdated and discredited beliefs he was probably spoon fed as a child of the early 60's....his citing of the racial makeup of an Olympic relay team or the Hockey team from Minnesota revealed far more than I think he intended to.
You really can't make this shit up...an old white man complaining about discrimination with absolutely no sense of shame.....nor ,it appears,any sense of proportionality.

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RE: Jurassic Park V: Bleatings From the Tar Pit! - 7/17/2009 4:36:48 AM   
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Eh--Seen worse. Just Pat being Pat. Though the part about 100 percent of the people dieing at Gettysburg was a bit much.

If you want racist. Apparently by all accounts you should check out this Sessions guy who is leading the Republican attack. This guy  made so many racist statements that his own chance at a federal judgeship didn't even get enough votes to allow it to be voted on in the senate. Even though Ronald Regan nominated him back when his party was running things. Twisted bit of irony there.


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RE: Jurassic Park V: Bleatings From the Tar Pit! - 7/17/2009 5:11:24 AM   
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Maybe Mars should ask Frank Ricci who the bigot is here. Remember he was the Connecticut fireman who scored the highest on an exam. He was denied his promotion because he was white. It was Judge Sotomayer who ruled and was recently overturned. Reverse discrimination is alive and well here in the USA..

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RE: Jurassic Park V: Bleatings From the Tar Pit! - 7/17/2009 5:33:11 AM   
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quote:

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Though the part about 100 percent of the people dieing at Gettysburg was a bit much.




As was the 100 percent of people dying in Normandy.

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RE: Jurassic Park V: Bleatings From the Tar Pit! - 7/17/2009 5:37:50 AM   
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Well servant,in point of fact Judge Sotomayor was only one of three judges on a panel that merely affirmed a lower courts decision   and did so on firm legal grounds.The Supremes thought different as is their right...reverse discrimination is an urban legend,a rallying cry for disgruntled and disaffected white men and woman who seem to have no sense of history nor of justice.

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RE: Jurassic Park V: Bleatings From the Tar Pit! - 7/17/2009 5:46:58 AM   
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She did write the opinion. If reverse discrimination is an urban legend, every affirmitive action program in the Country should be eliminated . Race should never be an issue but it is. Why not base every opening on who is the most qualified.?  

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RE: Jurassic Park V: Bleatings From the Tar Pit! - 7/17/2009 5:55:59 AM   
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I actually saw that fireman on tv, in the hearings on Sotomayer's confirmation.  He was (and I do have to say rightfully so) going on about how he was descriminated against, because of his race).  When a congressman asked if he thought Sotomayer should rule on emotion or compassion vs law, the fireman admittedly said the law was not his field of expertise, and declined to answer the question.  People can go on about bad decisions made.  Sometimes we are thinking from our own emotions though, and not the law that is binding the judge.  jmho

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RE: Jurassic Park V: Bleatings From the Tar Pit! - 7/17/2009 5:57:26 AM   
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Historical context.....limited opportunities....leveling the playing field.any of these things resonate with you servant?
When we reach a point when those making the hiring and promotion decisions are a proportional representation of society as a whole....you will have a case for eliminating affirmative action programs,till than these programs are necessary to redress societal inequities.

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RE: Jurassic Park V: Bleatings From the Tar Pit! - 7/17/2009 6:11:39 AM   
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Leveling the playing field ? If that means a white guy doesn't get a promotion while a less qualified minority does, that is discrimination anyway you slice it. It isjust plain wrong.

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