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Who Dun It? - 2/18/2006 7:49:53 AM   
angelic


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Status: offline 		Part I:
History: my family (2 sons and myself) have been harassed by a nearby neighbor on and off since Christmas because of my oldest son’s car (driven at the right ‘rpms’ it can be loud). my neighbors have apparently taken exception to this. They have thrown things at my son while driving by, called my son’s friend (he is African American) a n***** and verbally said all sorts of really vile things. They have threatened tire damage, window damage, etc. to our vehicles. They have strewn boxes of nails in our driveway. They have threatened to shoot my son. i have called the police on 3 different occasions because of these ‘neighborly’ folks. i will on Tuesday be getting an anti-harrassment order against the neighbors.

Part II:
History: Some of you may remember about the deception of my ‘x’ master back in October ’05. After 2 months i was doing very well without him, tyvm, moving on with my life and healing. i made the very bad mistake of leaving a vm for him at work wishing him a happy birthday (i didn’t hate him anymore and truly was trying to be just ‘nice’) and never expected to hear from him. Well, i did, he hunted me down in a chat room i was frequenting at the time and i fell back into his crap one more time (YES i know how stupid that was). He was still living with the woman he had lied about previously (i knew about her, he wouldn’t tell her about me because she would have tossed him out on his ear). Long story shortened, it, as you may have guessed, got ugly again. Well, i got ugly right back for the first time ever and wrote a note telling the woman what was going on (right or wrong i did it). i left it with the manager of the apartment complex they live in, stapled shut with her (the woman’s) name on it. i’m not sure the woman ever got the note, but the manager thought it was for her and read it.

Part III:
i smoke… the ‘x’ always hated it and bugged me about quitting. i have a plastic container outside where i place all dead cig butts.

Present: tonight someone torched the plastic container that i put my dead cig butts in. The container sits right outside my front door, had my son not saw the flames… well i am just glad he did.

Who Dun it? Thanks for any input.
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RE: Who Dun It? - 2/18/2006 8:31:19 AM   
xxblushesxx


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Status: offline 		Uhm....I was in bed asleep...

REALLY!!

No...no, I don't have any witnesses....why?!!


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RE: Who Dun It? - 2/18/2006 8:31:39 AM   
IrishMist


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Status: offline 		That's absolutly horrible the way your youngins are being treated. Bigotry of that kind makes me so angry, especially when its aimed at the innocent. You might want to install a little camera outside your house if you can afford to, might come in handy, if you know what I mean.

As to possibilities...It would not be fair to make a judgement as to who could have started that fire...I think you know who did, now you just need to find a way to protect yourself and your family better. One thing I have learned though when dealing with people of this caliber...keep calm, and attack with words and actions..not with anger and revenge in mind :) They thrive on creating chaos, but when faced with calm acceptance and retaliation in the same manner...they tend to back off in confusion.

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RE: Who Dun It? - 2/18/2006 8:38:26 AM   
LaMalinche


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Status: offline 		Is it possible that a cig butt was not all the way out and it started the fire?

Big help I am now you have three possible culprits: the neighbors, your ex, and yourself.

The neighbors had threatened the car and your son ( from the behavior that you have described it would likely have been a flaming bag of poop or actual damage to the cars ), and I am guessing that if Mr. X's wife got the note, he has other things to deal with (now there is something to make you chuckle.

A mystery. . . Scooby Doo. . . where are you?

I am glad that you are okay, and that you are doing well (except for part 1 and 2)

Best,

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RE: Who Dun It? - 2/18/2006 8:55:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually we had a terrible windstorm (windchill was below zero and power out for a good part of the day) so i did something i NEVER do... i smoked inside and those butts were ran under water and then put in the garbage inside. Thank You, i too am glad we are all ok... i'm just now going on 2 hours sleep... sat in front of my door all night.

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RE: Who Dun It? - 2/18/2006 9:03:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

As to possibilities...It would not be fair to make a judgement as to who could have started that fire...I think you know who did, now you just need to find a way to protect yourself and your family better. One thing I have learned though when dealing with people of this caliber...keep calm, and attack with words and actions..not with anger and revenge in mind :) They thrive on creating chaos, but when faced with calm acceptance and retaliation in the same manner...they tend to back off in confusion.


actually i don't know who started the fire, that's why the post. i am not thinking clearly about any of this. i do know tho, that instead of one anti-harassment order i will be getting 2 just to make sure i cover my bases.



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RE: Who Dun It? - 2/18/2006 10:01:52 AM   
Gauge


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Status: offline 		For a small (and rather generous) fee, I will come to Washington and bring my tire iron and my brass knuckles.


Seriously, what has taken you so long in getting a restraining order placed on your neighbors? Threatening to do grevious bodily harm or shoot someone is a crime. Let the law handle this. If you need evidence, then get a web cam and use it to record what goes on outside your home. I am sure that there are other solutions out there also.



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RE: Who Dun It? - 2/18/2006 12:05:25 PM   
FTopinMichigan


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ORIGINAL: angelic

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No butler's involved?

Okay, I'll take a stab at this soap opera....

First, I'd have to wonder why your son couldn't do something to lower the noise on his car. Most towns have ordinances against noise, and he may be leaving himself open to more than just complaining neighbors. Um...how would you feel if someone parked next to your home, and drove up with a big BOOM from the car, when you're sleeping, or watching TV or trying to talk on the telephone. If it's THAT loud, you might consider how they feel, rather then defend the noise. Seems that the noise is too high if it's bothering others. We have a driver here, that doesn't even live on the block, that has an extra loud muffler and plays VERY loud music. It's enough to cause my windows to shake, and I've missed more than a few closing lines to TV shows, or news segments, when he pulls up. Should he be allowed to continue to disturb everyone...just because "he" likes it loud? (I'm with the neighbor's on this one. ...although I don't approve of his methods to quiet it down.)

As for the note, I'd say, in retrospect, it was probably a bad idea. Any trouble from this is almost expected, if ya ask me.

The cigarette butts in the container....I'd think it was just that, until I read how you watered them down. But, if you use the container, and it's out there...is there a possibility that someone coming into your home just stashed their butt there, on the way. Perhaps the smoldering took time to fire up, and it was just an accident.

I'd hope it was the latter, because vendetta's from angry neighbor's over a loud car isn't worth endangering other's lives, and the note, while vindictive and may make your ex hot under the collar, it doesn't sound like a motive to burn either.

I'm gonna hope it was a hot butt that caused the problem.

I'm also gonna hope all turns out well with your neighbor's and the ex- situation.

I know of the fear that is attached to a senseless act of violence via vandalism. I have had my share of incidents, in Detroit, and have to say that my own fear outweighed the circumstances, and unfortuantely no matter what I or anyone else has to offer, you'll have to let time banish that fear. Take hold the the situations that you have control over, and work toward making amends with your neighbors. You have to live next to them for now, so why not try.

K

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RE: Who Dun It? - 2/18/2006 2:29:59 PM   
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First, I'd have to wonder why your son couldn't do something to lower the noise on his car. Most towns have ordinances against noise, and he may be leaving himself open to more than just complaining neighbors. Um...how would you feel if someone parked next to your home, and drove up with a big BOOM from the car, when you're sleeping, or watching TV or trying to talk on the telephone.


I was about to say the same thing. We have neigbors, also in WA, that are continually reving up their cars and it is very annoying, especially when Hubby is on a business call.

I am well aware of the wind you had, hope you didn't have any damage. We didn't get strong winds where we are but it was 14* this morning, the coldest i've seen here in a long time.

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RE: Who Dun It? - 2/18/2006 5:26:54 PM   
angelic


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Status: offline 		i'm going to respond to a couple of responses in one here rather than quote, etc. First off IF it was the noise factor (i am not certain that's it i am making an assumption), these neighbors have made zero attempt to talk to me about it, they have struck out in violent, abusive ways which i have no intention of taking sitting down. In fact they strike when they believe i am not home or asleep, etc.

As far as the cig butts... no it was lite intentionally. i had no power so had no 'invited' visitors that acidentally put the cig butts out... and i have may mislead unintentionally as i have an ashtray for the hot cigs, then when they are cool i put them in the plastic container.

In any event, thank you for your responses. i will however stand behind my son on this one. :) And am taking the necessary steps tuesday morning to try to put a stop to this harassment.

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RE: Who Dun It? - 2/20/2006 10:51:14 PM   
Real0ne


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Status: offline 		Yeh i agree things get more difficult with out a butler, but from my experience convictions work much better than restaining orders. often restraining only fuel the contempt. so get a conviction: http://www.x10.com/products/vk74a_sp_weauninvcr_1220.html

next some level of cooperation on your sons part does not hurt. its possible that they really are angry at the noise and that in combination with bigotry is a recipe for trouble. the only way to know if its bigotry or noise is to reduce the noise and see what happens.

Last not knowing the attitudes of all involved, i would tend to look at the kids before an adult. the reason being that a kid is not going to think far enough ahead to realize arson carries a long jail term or even a prison sentence if convicted, where as an adult is more apt to shy away from that kind of revenge.

in any case good luck, its a shitty situation and all you can do is make the best of it if you are not in a position to move.



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RE: Who Dun It? - 2/20/2006 11:48:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		and you expect someone on here to know? well that's what it sounds like when you say that's why I posted the post. I do however second the camera idea, on the news there was a local uy who's house had molitoff cocktails thrown at it, that's basically explosives in a bottle and his camera survalence system allowed the cops to identify the kids doing it. They belive the attempt and the second attempt which resulted in the house being burnt down was mistaken identity by gangs who thought they were teaching the intended guy a "lesson"
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ORIGINAL: angelic


actually i don't know who started the fire, that's why the post.


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