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Esinn -> RE: Atheists sue to keep 'In God We Trust' off Capitol Visitor Center (7/23/2009 12:01:41 PM)
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
No, what you said was they were illegal. You may have meant they would be hard to find, that isnt what you posted.
The majority of religious displays have been deemed illegal. What the hell do you think a nativity scene is?
If I recall only 1-2 were allowed to stay. And I gave examples of where you were wrong.
Prayer is no longer allowed in public school. Another point you were wrong on.
Nativity scenes and the precious baby Jesus will be hard to find on court house lawns. If a nativity scene isnt a religious display, what the fuck is it?
I am still curious about what two points? I knew the nativity scene was allowed. I quoted to you where I said it would be difficult to find them(not impossible). That may have been what you meant, thats not what you said. Try making your points clearer.
They can in the locker room, not on the football field. And a class president would not deem a prayer for his/her post necessary. If they do, they are intelligent enough to know that at lunch, recess, or after school would be a better time. Again, thats not what you said in your original post, and now your trying to back peddal by twisting words.
Oh my, this bone is gonna have to go in your mouth quicker than I thought - did you get that rope? I know you must be good for something.
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The majority of religious displays have been deemed illegal. What the hell do you think a nativity scene is?
If I recall only 1-2 were allowed to stay. And I gave examples of where you were wrong.
Prayer is no longer allowed in public school. Another point you were wrong on.
Nativity scenes and the precious baby Jesus will be hard to find on court house lawns. If a nativity scene isnt a religious display, what the fuck is it?
I ask please keep your eyes looking downward and your hands off my words. I do not mind slapping them away.
I did not say every single religious display has been banned. I said the majority. I never said the nativity was banned from courthouse lawns. I said you would be hard pressed to find another.
As far as prayer in school I thought I implied an apology? I did admit you were correct. I am not attempting to backpedal. I am clarifying what I said as you were unable to comprehend it. I said it was my belief that students would not openly be allowed to pray in groups in public schools. As usual I was correct. They can pray where prayer belongs though: Behind closed locked doors or after school ends(recess prayer is still a grey issue).
Now fetch the rope, don't make dont make daddy mad. If I have to get it you won't like it.
Below are all the supreme court rulings dealing with prayer in school. The last being the most relevant. This digresses too far from the OP. If you wish to open a new thread let's discuss it as it is important. Otherwise I am done,
I can twist balls and tits better than you can twist my words. :D
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"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. Supreme Court ruled Monday that prayer does not belong in public schools, even if students initiate and lead the prayers."
"In its most significant school prayer ruling in years, the Supreme Court today ruled that Texas public schools may not begin football games with organized prayer, even when recited by a student."
The decision marked a turning point in the Supreme Court's 40-year struggle to draw the line between church and state in the public school setting. After sending signals that it was ready to allow greater religious involvement in schools, the conservative court today tacked back toward a more separationist approach.
McCollum v. Board of Education, 333 U.S. 203, 212 (1948).
Struck down religious instruction in public schools. The case involved school-sponsored religious instruction in which the sole nonreligious student, Jim McCollum, was placed in detention and persecuted by schoolmates in Champaign, Illinois.
Tudor v. Board of Education of Rutherford, 14 J.N. 31 (1953), cert. denied 348 U.S. 816 (1954).
Let stand a lower court ruling that the practice of allowing volunteers to distribute Gideon Bibles at public school was unconstitutional.
Engel v. Vitale, 370 U.S. 421 (1962).
Declared prayers in public school unconstitutional.
Abington Township School District v. Schempp, 374. U.S. 203 (1963).
Declared unconstitutional devotional Bible reading and recitation of the Lord's Prayer in public schools.
Epperson v. Arkansas, 393 U.S., 97, 104 (1968).
Struck down state law forbidding schools to teach the science of evolution.
Stone v. Graham, 449 U.S. 39 (1980).
Declared unconstitutional the posting of the Ten Commandments in classrooms.
Wallace v. Jaffree, 472 U.S. 38, 72 (1985).
Overturned law requiring daily "period of silence not to exceed one minute... for meditation or daily prayer."
Jager v. Douglas County School District, 862 F.2d 824 (11th Cir.), Cert. den. 490 U.S. 1090 (1989).
Let stand a lower court ruling in Georgia that pre-game invocations at high school football games are unconstitutional.
Lee v. Weisman, 120 L.E. 2d 467/ 112 S.C.T. 2649 (1992).
Ruled prayers at public school graduations an impermissible establishment of religion.
Berger v. Rensselaer, 982 F.2d, 1160 (7th Cir.) Cert. denied. 124 L.E. 2d 254 (1993).
Let stand ruling barring access to Gideons to pass out bibles in Indiana schools.
Santa Fe Independent School District v. Doe, 530 U.S. 290 (2000).
Barred student-led prayers at public school functions.
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