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sub4hire -> RE: Why is it called a scene? (2/19/2006 7:01:54 PM)
quote: Why is it called a "scene"? I don't know but I would not ask the question myself because I have an answer. Whether it is the correct one or not does not really matter to me. I presume it is called a scene because if done right it is a work of art like out of a fine play. You go away exhilarated. It is truly beautiful. That's my take on it.

truesub4u -> RE: Why is it called a scene? (2/19/2006 7:07:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Vancouver_cinful I like the term play because it fills me with child-like enthusiasm. It's not an obligation like work, it's adult's play in my eyes. Play is usually defined as something that is inner-motivated and voluntary. Work is about responsibility, obligation, and usually implies some compensation (monetary or otherwise). Play is it's own reward. Cin Now this.. I can relate too. And understand the term better. Maybe it's the child in me that found this confusing and needed it broke down tome more like this. But like Angelic.... I don't play games... I take my submission seriously... as does Master.. even if he's "playing" with me. But then again... as IronBear stated... Life is a Game.. it's all in how you play the game. You just sometimes change the rules some to suit your needs to get through this game we call life.

Vancouver_cinful -> RE: Why is it called a scene? (2/19/2006 7:15:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DragonNphoenix I prefer to go to the Gypsy Arms up here. They have a dungeon that you can rent. I've just been told about this place (if it's the same one. In Seattle, Washington...I think?), by a new playmate. We're talking about doing a weekend there soon! Cin

Vancouver_cinful -> RE: Why is it called a scene? (2/19/2006 7:26:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie Those are specific individual incidents, not to be confused with calling every time he uses me "play." i do not play with Master; i serve him and he uses me. Sometimes in the course of using me, he chooses to play with me or toy with me. i hope that clears it up. Absolutely. I agree with your terminology here, and I use all those terms too. Play, for me, is just a generic word. If I do go into more detail about something I did with a partner I will then use more specific terms, like used, controlled, spanked... Cin

angelic -> RE: Why is it called a scene? (2/19/2006 7:33:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Vancouver_cinful quote: ORIGINAL: DragonNphoenix I prefer to go to the Gypsy Arms up here. They have a dungeon that you can rent. I've just been told about this place (if it's the same one. In Seattle, Washington...I think?), by a new playmate. We're talking about doing a weekend there soon! Cin is it the Wet Spot?

ownedgirlie -> RE: Why is it called a scene? (2/19/2006 7:43:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truesub4u quote: ORIGINAL: Vancouver_cinful I like the term play because it fills me with child-like enthusiasm. It's not an obligation like work, it's adult's play in my eyes. Play is usually defined as something that is inner-motivated and voluntary. Work is about responsibility, obligation, and usually implies some compensation (monetary or otherwise). Play is it's own reward. Cin Now this.. I can relate too. And understand the term better. Maybe it's the child in me that found this confusing and needed it broke down tome more like this. But like Angelic.... I don't play games... I take my submission seriously... as does Master.. even if he's "playing" with me. But then again... as IronBear stated... Life is a Game.. it's all in how you play the game. You just sometimes change the rules some to suit your needs to get through this game we call life. i can also see the child like enthusiasm definition too. Like true, i am very serious about my submission. Sometimes too serious! (It was a JOKE, slut - i hear that a lot). i once asked him about "knife play." He said "Play? I am very serious when I have my knife at your throat." ~ gulp ~

IronBear -> RE: Why is it called a scene? (2/19/2006 7:50:39 PM)
I like the Play analogy too for similar reasons. I remember my son when he was at preschool used to tell people when I was going on duty that I was off to Daddy preschool....... So perhaps when the sub/slaves enter the "Play Ground" their owners (Domsinants) are entering the Dominant's Playschool too?????????

yourMissTress -> RE: Why is it called a scene? (2/19/2006 8:10:17 PM)
IMO a scene is something just as you were describing, DragonNPhoenix. A session that's carefully planned, maybe not to the point of being scripted, but planned just the same. For instance, Interrogation scenes. A scene such as this is negotiated, planned, costumed, and usually has some props. I really like John Warren's idea for this. I was priviledged last night to be witness to a wonderful scene at a local club involving piercing and suspension, this was not something that could have been safely done on the spur of the moment. There was extensive planning involved including space needed for the scene, equipment that needed to be tested for strength, things that needed to be sterilized, safety precautions that needed to be in place, as well as the photographer and videographer that had to set up. I imagine there was even more behind the scenes planning that went into this scene that the general audience was unaware of as well. I think that scene maybe used as a more general and loose term by some, but those are examples of scenes as I see it.

ShadeDiva -> RE: Why is it called a scene? (2/19/2006 9:13:17 PM)
I was going to bring that up myself Tress, thank you. The "planning" that some folks do for scenes isn't as scripted as what I saw mentioned in this thread. I don;t think I've ever seriously heard someone say 5 minutes of this switch to other hand and do three minutes of that and then a minute of the other thing. I think this is being over-analyzed a bit. Planning is a range of preparing for one's "scene", "session", "beating time", "using time" or whatever the hell you feel is the best way to label it for you and yours. lol I'll use scene and session - but it that ruffles your feathers then please feel free to just edit it out in your head and substitute the word you'd prefer lol. Choosing the music, the place, the outfits, the tools, the time - is all a part of planning and preparing. Arranging something that will surprise or keep the submissive on their toes is a part of planning. When you have a LOT of toys, like a room full or two rooms full and you are going to scene in a public space - choosing which ones they are in the mood to use that night - is a part of planning the scene. Planning to do various sensations like a cold chain flogger and throwing it in the fridge for a few hours - yup planning. Thinking it might be fun to take away their sight ofor the evening and choosing which blindfold appeals for that kind of scene? Planning. Want to explore mummification? Well you'll have to plan for that and buy those supplies. More planning. If you have them already and they are stored, yup you'll need to get them out for easy access. More planning. Enemas? PLEASE plan. LOL. Fire play? Same thing - PLEASE plan. Wax play maybe? Well if you DON'T plan it and don't already have the supplies you'll be picking wax off the floor. Wow. Fun. I'd prefer they planned for that type of scene and prepared approproately to pull it off so all we have to do to clean up is throw the drop cloth away. Needle play? Oh yes, let's PRAY that is something that is planned and prepared for and not something they do off the cuff. Like hmmm I want to put a hole in my toy. I know! Let's go raid the sewing basket!! ::cringeshuddershakecower::: I could go on and on. Planning does not automatically mean every freaking minute is scripted out folks. It's not so much a play by play but making sure you have all the right things needed to do it and have a general idea of how to smoothly move from one thing to the other. Wow nothing more fun than sitting there as the dominant bumbles around scratching their head going now where did I put that? I mean hello, this was YOUR idea mate - didn't you think past the "OOO this might be fun" part for christ out loud? It's about removing any obstacles as best as one can in order to do your damn best to make sure nothing happens to destroy or throw off what the dominant has decided to create. It's a part of control and being proactive rather than purely reactive. It takes a decent amount of control to plan out a detailed scene and then pull it off without a serious hitch. I like playing things by ear, and yeah sometimes those are awesome scenes. But when someone has REALLY put thought and effort into delivering a certain scene or has thought out the general progression of what they will be doing - if they've done it right, by god, they can be some of the most intense, moving, and profund experiences you can have. Freaking unreal. And oh, the mindfucks. Mindfucks work best with planning, I think. And some scenes you just HAVE to plan. Like an abduction scene. You better damn well plan one of those. Or the above mentioned interrogation scene. Or sensory deprivation. Or again as mentioned above, suspension. A rape scene or a resistance play scene should ALWAYS be planned for in my mind. In detail. A branding scene had damn well better taken some serious planning, IMO. Same for a cutting scene IMO. Not all play is grab the body next to you and start working on it off the top of your head. Sure that can be fun as I've said before but geez, if that's ALL there was I'd get bored very quickly. I'd like to think that we are both worth the time and effort to create a very special and memorable experience every once in a while. So I guess you can just mark me as one of those that says: Give me the planning BABY! LOL! JMO, FWIIW.

Evanesce -> RE: Why is it called a scene? (2/19/2006 9:32:31 PM)
quote: But like Angelic.... I don't play games... I take my submission seriously... as does Master.. even if he's "playing" with me. I take my slavery seriously, too, but playtime is playtime. Play is that thing we do when we break out the floggers and paddles and electrical toys and knives and He does deliciously wicked, painful things to my body. While He's careful not to break me, neither of us views this as anything more substantial than fun and games. It's play. It's fun. It's SUPPOSED to be fun. What's serious is how we view and relate to each other in day-to-day life. That part doesn't change. We rarely refer to what we do as a "scene" as it is almost never choreographed or planned, and we both tend to view "scenes" as something one does in public. However, there are specific activities that, as ShadeDiva mentioned, MUST be planned for, or you're simply going to wind up with a disaster waiting to happen.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Why is it called a scene? (2/19/2006 9:39:47 PM)
Diva and Evanesce spoke my responses. Sometimes scenes need planning- you can't just do a full takedown, machine fucking, needle play, fire play and gang bang scene without getting some supplies, space, time, and such coordinated ahead of time. Not all scenes need planning, some of the best scenes are done totally spontaneously or based solely on the mood of the immediate moment. But some do. Now as far as where the term comes from, I honestly don't know- but it is a chunk of time set aside to interact in a bdsm/kink capacity. Call it whatever you want really. And playing doesn't mean you don't take submission seriously. You can be as serious as the grave and still go and play for a day. How does going mountain climbing or going to the movies suddenly mean you're not as serious as a slave? Those are all forms of play.

BitaTruble -> RE: Why is it called a scene? (2/19/2006 9:49:37 PM)
quote: I just don't understand the title for something that just "is". Help the newbie ;) There's another definition of 'scene' ... as a place of action or occurance, such as 'the scene of the crime.' When I think of scene, it's as it relates to B&D or S&M outside of our normal interactions. For example, Himself will often grab my hair, pull me into the room, throw me on the bondage table and beat my ass and we are laughing, whooping it up and having a grand old time with it. That's 'play' and that's pretty much every day and twice on Sunday. :) It's fun, it's entertainment, usually for both of us. By contrast, again for us, 'scenes' are generally high protocol, often planned for a specific activity ::often one which has much more risk to it:: are more focused and intense and rarely involves 'whooping it up.' After the intensity of a 'scene', we often dissolve into 'play', sometimes as a form of aftercare, to come down from that extra level of intensity. We don't usually talk after play time about the play time, but almost always talk after a scene. As for how it all started, I really don't have a clue except what others have already written about being 'in the scene' in the 50's and 60's. I'm still trying to figure out how the word submissive turned from an adjective into a noun. lol Eh, a lot of BDSMer's are twisted, so that we twist words and kink them up is no surprise. Celeste

ShadeDiva -> RE: Why is it called a scene? (2/19/2006 9:52:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truesub4u But like Angelic.... I don't play games... I take my submission seriously... as does Master.. even if he's "playing" with me. This statement always strikes me in exactly the same way that the objection to calling toys ... toys. "They aren't "toys"! I take this very seriosuly and every true [insert dom, sub, slave, etc here] knows that you call them [insert tools, instrutments, words of choice, etc here]" As a literal person - I understand the intent behind the statement. But as a realist I just think geeez lighten up a little - the words toy and play and scene just aren't ALL that judgemental as you seem to be making them into being. The only people that seem to see them as being "less" or "bad to use" or "a sign of less sincerity or taking their commitment less seriously than a real dom/sub/slave/whathaveyou would" and only see them used as someone implying or saying that they might not be serious or sincere or "just as playing a game" .... ... are the ones doing the most judging of those particular words being used than anyone else. Relax already. Lighten up. Have fun. You can do that without taking your commitment to your way of life and partner lightly. So yanno - my opinion? Don't get so wound up over a word and start reading far more into it than the rest of the universe. Life is short. There are far better things to worry about. LOL. JMO, of course.

ownedgirlie -> RE: Why is it called a scene? (2/19/2006 9:56:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross Diva and Evanesce spoke my responses. Sometimes scenes need planning- you can't just do a full takedown, machine fucking, needle play, fire play and gang bang scene without getting some supplies, space, time, and such coordinated ahead of time. Not all scenes need planning, some of the best scenes are done totally spontaneously or based solely on the mood of the immediate moment. But some do. Now as far as where the term comes from, I honestly don't know- but it is a chunk of time set aside to interact in a bdsm/kink capacity. Call it whatever you want really. And playing doesn't mean you don't take submission seriously. You can be as serious as the grave and still go and play for a day. How does going mountain climbing or going to the movies suddenly mean you're not as serious as a slave? Those are all forms of play. i did mention that my Master plans things out up to a point, and fills in the gaps based on how i am responding. Movies and mountain climbing are forms of entertainment. Sometimes serving my Master is entertaining to me, but mostly it is having my envelope pushed so that i can grow further in my self and in my submission. Those are things i take seriously and do not apply the word "entertaining" to. Not to say that serving and being used isn't sometimes fun, it is. i happened to have been talking about the other stuff. So maybe we're just talking about different things...

ownedgirlie -> RE: Why is it called a scene? (2/19/2006 9:57:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ShadeDiva quote: ORIGINAL: truesub4u But like Angelic.... I don't play games... I take my submission seriously... as does Master.. even if he's "playing" with me. This statement always strikes me in exactly the same way that the objection to calling toys ... toys. "They aren't "toys"! I take this very seriosuly and every true [insert dom, sub, slave, etc here] knows that you call them [insert tools, instrutments, words of choice, etc here]" As a literal person - I understand the intent behind the statement. But as a realist I just think geeez lighten up a little - the words toy and play and scene just aren't ALL that judgemental as you seem to be making them into being. The only people that seem to see them as being "less" or "bad to use" or "a sign of less sincerity or taking their commitment less seriously than a real dom/sub/slave/whathaveyou would" and only see them used as someone implying or saying that they might not be serious or sincere or "just as playing a game" .... ... are the ones doing the most judging of those particular words being used than anyone else. Relax already. Lighten up. Have fun. You can do that without taking your commitment to your way of life and partner lightly. So yanno - my opinion? Don't get so wound up over a word and start reading far more into it than the rest of the universe. Life is short. There are far better things to worry about. LOL. JMO, of course. Seriously, and all due respect, the only posts which appeared to be judgemental on this thread were yours.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Why is it called a scene? (2/19/2006 9:58:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie Movies and mountain climbing are forms of entertainment. Sometimes serving my Master is entertaining to me, but mostly it is having my envelope pushed so that i can grow further in my self and in my submission. Those are things i take seriously and do not apply the word "entertaining" to. You've obviously never had a discussion on movies with myself or my local partners...you don't think we take those seriously? Don't get me started on Serenity or American Beauty... And mountain climbing? See how not seriously and entertaining you take it when you're a few thousand feet up in the freezing cold with air as thin and sharp as the ice digging into your body with only a few pieces of metal and slips of rope keeping you alive. It's all in perspective. We're all doing this because we take joy and fulfillment from it.

ownedgirlie -> RE: Why is it called a scene? (2/19/2006 9:59:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitaTruble I'm still trying to figure out how the word submissive turned from an adjective into a noun. lol Celeste LOL me too!

ownedgirlie -> RE: Why is it called a scene? (2/19/2006 10:00:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross It's all in perspective. We're all doing this because we take joy and fulfillment from it. We most definitely agree on that [:)]

ShadeDiva -> RE: Why is it called a scene? (2/19/2006 10:07:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie Seriously, and all due respect, the only posts which appeared to be judgemental on this thread were yours. Really? Interesting. What seemed judgemental to you? Perhaps you misread what I wrote or perhaps I did not type it as clearly as I could have.

BitaTruble -> RE: Why is it called a scene? (2/19/2006 10:13:39 PM)
quote: Sometimes serving my Master is entertaining to me, but mostly it is having my envelope pushed so that i can grow further in my self and in my submission. Those are things i take seriously and do not apply the word "entertaining" to. Himself and I are exactly the opposite. "Mostly" it's fun and entertaining. I think living together for 9 years, without lots of the fun and entertainment part, we'd have burned out long ago. Having my envelope pushed is rarer and because it's done less often, it's generally much more intense and I have a greater appreciation for it and it's much more productive for our personal growth, but I wouldn't want to have to maintain those levels every day and I don't believe Himself would either. I don't know that I have the physical or the mental capacity to do so. There are times when we maintain extremely high levels of intensity for a week or more and the drop from that is excruciating and very hard to deal with for both of us, so just for the sake of our sanity, those are, generally only done ever two or three months or so. High intensity scenes are perhaps once a month or so. We can both handle it comfortably with no worry about any damage to our respective health, mental or otherwise. I mean any more than it's already been damaged. :) There's also the element of the anticipation.. the dread and fear that comes with 'knowing' Himself has something absolutely wicked and evil planned. He's got something in mind for my birthday and won't tell me what it is, just that it's evil ... and every time I think about it, my stomach hurts. I can't wait. :) Celeste

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