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CelticPrince -> Validity and Trust while on line (7/26/2009 3:30:40 PM)

During a recent convo this subject came up for discussion and the different responses / applications that may come up with a relationship whether it is real time, on line or a mixture of both depending on the relationship. Thus I present this perplexing problem to the vast knowledged that is displayed here on a daily basis........... errrrrrr pretty smart anyway.

From either the D or the "s" perspective how faithfull are instructions, suggestions, or orders followed when on line with no actual ability to determine if they have been performed?

CP




krikket -> RE: Validity and Trust while on line (7/26/2009 3:52:08 PM)

Trust is the key, for both the D and the s.   During the one on-line (only) relationship i've been involved in, i did what i was told simply because i trusted him, a trust that was built over time, and because it didn't occur to me not to obey him.  i knew that he wouldn't ask me to do anything that would be harmful and that, in many cases, his requests helped me to learn and grow in a safe relationship.  i've taken a lot of flak over the years from those who said it couldn't possibly be a "real" relationship so it's not something i speak of often.  i know that i won't convince others any more than they will make me think it was less than real.  Is a face-to-face relationship better than on-line?  i believe that on many levels it is, but at that particular time in my life he was what i needed, and it was the only way it was possible.  The biggest drawback to that relationship was his sometimes distrust of me.  Since this was before the days of cheap cams and scanners were too expensive and eventually it became apparent that i couldn't offer him the proof he seemed to need. 




LadyPact -> RE: Validity and Trust while on line (7/26/2009 3:58:05 PM)

In My case with clip, I'd say the chances are pretty good.  On more than one occasion, I've had people in other locations send Me unsolicited comments on how he's behaved at different lifestyle functions in other areas.  Even without My intending it, they've told Me that he's followed his instructions on various things.  I appreciate these types of notes quite a bit.






GeekFreak -> RE: Validity and Trust while on line (7/26/2009 4:13:48 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

From either the D or the "s" perspective how faithfull are instructions, suggestions, or orders followed when on line with no actual ability to determine if they have been performed?

CP


Cams can give some ability to determine if things have been performed, but of course that is only for specific orders that are to be done right then and there in front of you.

As for other orders, with my partner, they were not followed extremely faithfully at first. Sometimes they were ignored, but that would usually be admitted to me if asked. As time went on, and we grew closer, she would follow through much more often. I honestly feel anytime she doesn't follow through now is only by mistake (forgetfulness) and I'm always told about the failure so that it can be rectified/discussed. I can't prove this, but there have been many evidences that lead me to this belief...enough that I'm satisfied with my certainty on this issue.

Regarding the average couple: I have little faith in most, and figure there are often secrets hidden, rules not followed, and other general douchebaggery. I think this is usually the same group of people who would suck in in-person relationship too, though. :P




LillyoftheVally -> RE: Validity and Trust while on line (7/26/2009 4:29:15 PM)

What would be the point in getting involved in an online relationship if you do not do as you are asked? But then the question becomes if both parties are happy and it is working for them does it matter if neither is completely truthful




Prinsexx -> RE: Validity and Trust while on line (7/26/2009 4:52:12 PM)

I have always obeyed.
On line instructions are no different than being in another room, out of the house or away on business  or holiday and having to comply. Trust is trust.





kallisto -> RE: Validity and Trust while on line (7/26/2009 5:26:08 PM)

Agree with the posts above. What's the point in being in a "distance" relationship if you're not going to follow through with your part of the relationship?    As with any relationship, it grows and matures into what each one puts into it.    Why waste my time or his if I'm not going to follow through with his directives, suggestions, orders, guidance, asking (whatever you want to call it)?  Trust in the relationship should be no different when or if you're together (physically) all the time, some of the time, or none of the time (as in online).  





LaTigresse -> RE: Validity and Trust while on line (7/26/2009 7:07:33 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

During a recent convo this subject came up for discussion and the different responses / applications that may come up with a relationship whether it is real time, on line or a mixture of both depending on the relationship. Thus I present this perplexing problem to the vast knowledged that is displayed here on a daily basis........... errrrrrr pretty smart anyway.

From either the D or the "s" perspective how faithfull are instructions, suggestions, or orders followed when on line with no actual ability to determine if they have been performed?

CP


If I haven't spent real physical time with a person, I don't trust them to submit........period. Which is why I won't get involved in any sort of online M/s dynamic.




aldompdx -> RE: Validity and Trust while on line (7/26/2009 9:40:35 PM)

The premise of your question is based on the false assumption that your personal experience is caused by the conduct of your partner.

Consider the issue from the perspective that your experience arises from your own heart, and whatever your partner chooses to share can inspire the amplification of what is already there.

Trust in another is irrelevant. Really, you are trusting your own degree of confidence. Then based on your own confidence, you allow your own feelings to come forth.




antipode -> RE: Validity and Trust while on line (7/26/2009 10:01:33 PM)

quote:

how faithfull are instructions, suggestions, or orders followed when on line with no actual ability to determine if they have been performed?


You're asking a question to which you then say there is no ability to determine. If you can't determine something, you can't know.




LaTigresse -> RE: Validity and Trust while on line (7/27/2009 4:07:30 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: aldompdx

The premise of your question is based on the false assumption that your personal experience is caused by the conduct of your partner.

Consider the issue from the perspective that your experience arises from your own heart, and whatever your partner chooses to share can inspire the amplification of what is already there.

Trust in another is irrelevant. Really, you are trusting your own degree of confidence. Then based on your own confidence, you allow your own feelings to come forth.


Hey, whatever you have to tell yourself to get through the day. The above sounds like some sort of D/s, interactive, on line, fantasy game. Not my cuppa.




lizi -> RE: Validity and Trust while on line (7/27/2009 6:04:19 AM)

I'll be perfectly honest, I haven't always followed orders given to me online. Looking back at this it has a lot to do with the state of the relationship I was in at the time. If I was questioning the Dom's place in my life I didn't feel compelled to do as he asked, especially if I viewed his current request/order to be silly or trivial. I know it's not my decision to make - if an order is given it should be followed - but I just thought I've give a truthful answer.

Also, if the Dom who has given me the order does not bother to check and see if it's been done I tend to disregard further orders. If he can't be bothered, neither can I.




Cloudz -> RE: Validity and Trust while on line (7/27/2009 6:14:30 AM)

The part of the question that struck me was the actual ability to know they have been performed. I don't engage in online instructions to a sub - personal preference. Until we have met, there is little point. I do not own one I have not engaged with in person, so why would I expect him to perform tasks prior to meeting.




CelticPrince -> RE: Validity and Trust while on line (7/27/2009 6:16:21 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: krikket

Trust is the key, for both the D and the s.   During the one on-line (only) relationship i've been involved in, i did what i was told simply because i trusted him, a trust that was built over time, and because it didn't occur to me not to obey him.  i knew that he wouldn't ask me to do anything that would be harmful and that, in many cases, his requests helped me to learn and grow in a safe relationship.  i've taken a lot of flak over the years from those who said it couldn't possibly be a "real" relationship so it's not something i speak of often.  i know that i won't convince others any more than they will make me think it was less than real.  Is a face-to-face relationship better than on-line?  i believe that on many levels it is, but at that particular time in my life he was what i needed, and it was the only way it was possible.  The biggest drawback to that relationship was his sometimes distrust of me.  Since this was before the days of cheap cams and scanners were too expensive and eventually it became apparent that i couldn't offer him the proof he seemed to need. 

quote:

Trust is the key, for both the D and the s. During the one on-line (only) relationship i've been involved in, i did what i was told simply because i trusted him, a trust that was built over time, and because it didn't occur to me not to obey him. i knew that he wouldn't ask me to do anything that would be harmful and that, in many cases, his requests helped me to learn and grow in a safe relationship. i've taken a lot of flak over the years from those who said it couldn't possibly be a "real" relationship so it's not something i speak of often. i know that i won't convince others any more than they will make me think it was less than real. Is a face-to-face relationship better than on-line? i believe that on many levels it is, but at that particular time in my life he was what i needed, and it was the only way it was possible. The biggest drawback to that relationship was his sometimes distrust of me. Since this was before the days of cheap cams and scanners were too expensive and eventually it became apparent that i couldn't offer him the proof he seemed to need.


krikket,

Methinks your comments are the essense of interaction on line. Hell yes there were nay sayers then and now, but if it is what worked for you then it was great. Unfortunately, your "D" fell victim to the wondering quotient. thanks for sharing.

CP




CelticPrince -> RE: Validity and Trust while on line (7/27/2009 6:17:43 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

In My case with clip, I'd say the chances are pretty good.  On more than one occasion, I've had people in other locations send Me unsolicited comments on how he's behaved at different lifestyle functions in other areas.  Even without My intending it, they've told Me that he's followed his instructions on various things.  I appreciate these types of notes quite a bit.




quote:

In My case with clip, I'd say the chances are pretty good. On more than one occasion, I've had people in other locations send Me unsolicited comments on how he's behaved at different lifestyle functions in other areas. Even without My intending it, they've told Me that he's followed his instructions on various things. I appreciate these types of notes quite a bit.


LP,

Grins, power is a wonderful thing when used properly.

CP




ranja -> RE: Validity and Trust while on line (7/27/2009 6:31:07 AM)

It so depends on the suggestion or order and the people involved...

How important is it for the Dom that the suggestion/order is followed? if it is very important the Dom should make sure He can check... by certain answers to questions or photographic evidence or the Dom should feel secure enough to simply trust the sub... i notice this seems to be an issue for many Doms... If the Dom gets off by just giving the order with no real interest in whether it is followed or not then obviously the sub needn't bother really... and yes these Doms are out there... they have not much of a plan, just a desire to shock by email... it takes all sorts...

Cyber to me is a quite sexy game which both players get off on so i would be inclined to assume 'orders' are given with the pleasure of the sub in mind... and so if the interest of the sub is being peeked by some sexy suggestion by a dirty minded Dominant she would be quite inclined to follow the order... and be keen to tell him all about it...

Then of course one might just have an idea and it is enough to let the mind run wild and write some wank fodder or is it a realtime task followed by a detailed report? which would be more desirable or give better results?




LPslittleclip -> RE: Validity and Trust while on line (7/27/2009 8:50:57 AM)

the trust that i would do as instructed at first i needed some reminding but as O/our dynamic grew it was less and less often that it occurred. i do have adhd so i needed some additional structure but once i got it i would rarely miss the instructions i was given. i do try hard to please my M'lady




CelticPrince -> RE: Validity and Trust while on line (7/28/2009 3:53:54 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: GeekFreak

quote:

ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

From either the D or the "s" perspective how faithfull are instructions, suggestions, or orders followed when on line with no actual ability to determine if they have been performed?

CP


Cams can give some ability to determine if things have been performed, but of course that is only for specific orders that are to be done right then and there in front of you.

As for other orders, with my partner, they were not followed extremely faithfully at first. Sometimes they were ignored, but that would usually be admitted to me if asked. As time went on, and we grew closer, she would follow through much more often. I honestly feel anytime she doesn't follow through now is only by mistake (forgetfulness) and I'm always told about the failure so that it can be rectified/discussed. I can't prove this, but there have been many evidences that lead me to this belief...enough that I'm satisfied with my certainty on this issue.

Regarding the average couple: I have little faith in most, and figure there are often secrets hidden, rules not followed, and other general douchebaggery. I think this is usually the same group of people who would suck in in-person relationship too, though. :P

quote:

Cams can give some ability to determine if things have been performed, but of course that is only for specific orders that are to be done right then and there in front of you.

As for other orders, with my partner, they were not followed extremely faithfully at first. Sometimes they were ignored, but that would usually be admitted to me if asked. As time went on, and we grew closer, she would follow through much more often. I honestly feel anytime she doesn't follow through now is only by mistake (forgetfulness) and I'm always told about the failure so that it can be rectified/discussed. I can't prove this, but there have been many evidences that lead me to this belief...enough that I'm satisfied with my certainty on this issue.

Regarding the average couple: I have little faith in most, and figure there are often secrets hidden, rules not followed, and other general douchebaggery. I think this is usually the same group of people who would suck in in-person relationship too, though. :P


Geek,

True, cams are a great asset if used properly but many peeps do not own or if owned are hesitant to use them for some personal reason. That problem go away as the relationship bond grows stronger.

A wise Dominant used instructions judicially.

CP




CelticPrince -> RE: Validity and Trust while on line (7/28/2009 3:55:40 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

I have always obeyed.
On line instructions are no different than being in another room, out of the house or away on business  or holiday and having to comply. Trust is trust.



quote:

I have always obeyed.
On line instructions are no different than being in another room, out of the house or away on business or holiday and having to comply. Trust is trust.


Prin,

Short sweet and to the point! I love your attitude.

CP




Prinsexx -> RE: Validity and Trust while on line (7/28/2009 4:12:58 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: aldompdx


Trust in another is irrelevant. Really, you are trusting your own degree of confidence. Then based on your own confidence, you allow your own feelings to come forth.

That's true if there is only one side to the existentialist coin.
It takes two sides to flip it.




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