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Breath Play - 2/20/2006 4:18:14 AM   
MineToControl


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Status: offline 		I have a sub that wants to explore Breath Play. I would be most interested in learning different methods that others have enjoyed as well as things to avoid and why.

Thanks, Master Paul
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RE: Breath Play - 2/20/2006 4:35:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Since you are asking, I would assume that you have never tried it either?



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RE: Breath Play - 2/20/2006 4:42:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MineToControl

I have a sub that wants to explore Breath Play. I would be most interested in learning different methods that others have enjoyed as well as things to avoid and why.

Thanks, Master Paul


I strongly recommend you read http://members.aol.com/OldRope/breamain.htm by Jay Wiseman, the author of The Erotic Bondage Manual and SM101. Jay was an EMT and has gone to medical school

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RE: Breath Play - 2/20/2006 8:26:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		! Thank you so VERY much for posting those essays- they are hardly reads of eroticism but are VERY VERY informative... and I feel they stress the very legitimate dangers in ways that most people can understand. I am an EMT and CPR/AED/FirstAid instructor as well and feel that just as so many of us take precautions to learn our various... proclitivities, so should we learn the dangers or something that seems harmless. Especially since some of the body's responses would be hard to think of otherwise (i.e. the plaque being dislodged from your arteries [which is why medical personel are no longer allowed to do throat rubs to help check for responsiveness] into your brain, effectively causing a stroke.)

I would highly recommend anyone who desire to do controlled breath play to read those- that way the risks are at least apparent.
Again, thank you for that link.

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RE: Breath Play - 2/20/2006 9:55:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I like breath play, but my Dom who is a seasoned EMT refuses to do it as a hard limit. It is easy enough to unintentionally snuff someone if you don't know what you're doing. Even though he knows what he's doing, he's not going there.

So, for the love of God, make SURE you get yourself trained. We left a play party recently, having warned an observing friend that a couple was playing hard - struggle play and pain play, and sub had called red and they had re-started the scene. We later heard dom had choked sub unconscious during breath play. Once the sub goes limply into la-la land, they can't call red. This is a big danger. You HAVE to know how easy it is to kill, and when to stop, and what not to do.

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RE: Breath Play - 2/20/2006 9:58:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Smothering seems to be a less risky alternative, no?

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RE: Breath Play - 2/20/2006 10:06:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		personally i absolutely love being choked out; however cover my nose and mouth or put a pillow over my face i will panic almost instantly. i didn't know the dangers of being choked until i had already experienced it. *dayum* what a drag that something i truly enjoy is also so blooming dangerous.

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RE: Breath Play - 2/20/2006 10:09:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		does the following qualify as breath play?

a brat holding his breath during a tantrum.



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RE: Breath Play - 2/20/2006 10:12:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Smothering is still dangerous- take a look at the effects of the various chemical reactions caused by hypoxia. Being that it is so dangerous breaks my heart- as breath play is very erotic to me. Chances are, as a young healthy lass with little history of heart rhythm problems and poor chemical reactions- I have a good chance of being okay- but still, the body is a somewhat unpredicatable machine...

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RE: Breath Play - 2/20/2006 10:14:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		A suspect on reason your dom has breath play as a hard limit is his first hand knowledge that expert CPR has less than a 50/50 chance of working. I'm not saying that people need not learn it. That skill set should be part of every responsible adult because it does save lives.

What concerns me is the attitude I've encountered of "ok, no problem; I know CPR." CPR is not like rebooting a recalcitrant computer.

[shudder]

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RE: Breath Play - 2/20/2006 10:21:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		You are SO very right. CPR just keeps... not to be disrespectful... the body fresh-ish. It helps control the damage being done by a lack of oxygen- basically trying to keep everything left worth saving (Keeping in mind that within 5 minutes of cardiac arrest [being many possible rhythms] there is roughly a 60% chance of survival and it decreases roughly 10 percent per minute thereafter.) Advanced life support is IMPERATIVE for someone who is experiencing cardiac compromise. Defibrillation, if the rhythm of the heart is right- can literally be a life saver... drugs, such as epinepherine and appenine also can help 'jump start' the heart...

Learn CPR. Learn how to be responsible, how to help if someone is choking. Learn how to see signs and symptoms of cardiac compromise, but never mistake that that might not be enough. It is NOT worth putting someone else at risk... :-/

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RE: Breath Play - 2/20/2006 10:22:24 AM   
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quote:

things to avoid and why


does the sub in question have any previous experiences...in a non-consensual setting...of being "choked out", etc?

some folks can overcome prior negative experiences, often it takes hard work and some time. it is something this slave would suggest discussing prior to any consensual play scenario, that way You can agree on a course of action to make it as positive an experience as possible--for both of you.

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RE: Breath Play - 2/20/2006 11:03:35 AM   
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quote:

I have a sub that wants to explore Breath Play. I would be most interested in learning different methods that others have enjoyed as well as things to avoid and why.

Thanks, Master Paul


Things to avoid -

Breath control because it can kill her.

You're the Top, so just tell her no. Done deal. You don't even have to explain it.

However, ::sighs:: if you are hell bent on taking the risk, consider doing terror scenes or interogation scenes where she only 'thinks' she's being suffocated.

Going up behind her and putting a plastic bag over her head, but have a hole in the bag that she can't see. Fools the brain into thinking something is happening which is not. Watch carefully to make sure the plastic doesn't close over the nostrils when she takes those first instinctive first gasps, but then saying be careful should go without saying.

Filling a bathtub up with water, dragging her in there, yelling and shouting you're going to drown her if she doesn't give out the information. Then a blindfold and cups of water thrown at her face.

For a really elaborate scene, row boat, chains, cement blocks, gag and blindfold.. middle of lake at night. For added effect, bring along a chain saw.

One scene which I particulary like it to put the bottom in chair bondage, a swimmers nose plug on, then a ball gag. I generally play the theme from Jaws during this one. ::chuckles:: Then, in a very casual manner, pull out the duct tape and tell her she's about to get her wish as you make like you're going to duct tape her mouth over the ball gag. Cost of materials, 15 bux.. the look of terror in her eyes.. priceless.

There is also the control aspect. Telling her when to inhale and exhale. Having her breath in, hold it for a slow count of 10, then exhale.

If all else fails and you decide to choke her or suffocate her, know you can kill her and will probably end up in prison for 1st degree murder. If you are both willing to take the risk, I hope it's everything you're looking for because it's probably going to be your last scene unless you count the body cavity searches and your bunk mate named Bruno.

Celeste


::edited to add:: Himself has said it probably won't be 1st degree murder, but more likely reckless homocide or even manslaughter. That should make a world of difference to Bruno.


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RE: Breath Play - 2/20/2006 11:12:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Celeste: Thank you for giving other ways to get that 'scare' without causing death. Now i just wish i had a Master to do some of those things!

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RE: Breath Play - 2/20/2006 12:13:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Forgot to add this..

Do as complete a medical history as you can. Does she smoke? Have asthma? Get claustrophic? Get dizzy spells? On her period? Anything and everything you can think of that can make any scene even more dangerous than it already is.

Celeste

P.S. Angelic.. I hope you find your dream. Reach for the stars, honey. :)

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RE: Breath Play - 2/20/2006 12:22:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am venturing into this forum to offer insight, not to receive lectures. I am involved in breath play regularly (yes, Sirs, I have read SM101, and the rest). I am not into autoerotica, but have a neck fetish. Pressure on my neck (not for orgasm) is what floats my boat. For some it is feet, for some ass, for me, neck.

I am adult enough to know that what I do is dangerous. I am also adult enough to know that what I do could jeopardise my Dom's life if it ever went wrong. My solicitor, health care professionals etc have been informed what I do, who I do it with and what I like.

We have explored: neck choking with hands or with forearms. Using forearms from behind hurts. It means that your Dom usually lifts your neck and head upward even with out meaning to by flexing His arm. It puts nasty pressure on your trachea and I for one hate it. He prefers the full mouth kiss with nose closed method. I like having lots of loops wound around my neck (not tightly) but with a closeness (imagine a perfectly fitting choker necklace). The look is good, I feel supported and He can use His hands to close slightly from time to time around my neck. I most enjoy stroking, firmly of my neck with His hand whilst He is astride my belly.

We have strung me up from beams, used the doggy position with wrists tied high to neck, and Him pulling 20% of my weight that way. We have tried it all.

Trust me when I tell you, if you don't do it right, it bloody hurts and it scares you and the adrenaline fight or flight makes your heart crash into your chest. If my Dom were not a "professional" in vanilla, I probably would not do it, but it is what does it for me, so ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

hope that helps and for everyone else that does not agree, please respect my kink.

love from tendergirl

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RE: Breath Play - 2/20/2006 12:51:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		No one is disrespecting your kink. ... We just want information for safety out there. Or is not our credo Safe, Sane and Consentual?

EDIT: I apologize if that came off wrong- there is no need to defend yourself before anyone attacks.

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RE: Breath Play - 2/20/2006 1:37:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, it's not our credo. That may be your credo, but since 2/3 of it is entirely subjective, some people find it somewhat meaningless.

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RE: Breath Play - 2/20/2006 1:40:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I haven't seen any disrespect. There have been warnings and suggestions but breath play is recognized as a very dangerous form of play even by those who practice it. Recognizing the risks is essential to truly consensual play since it has to be informed consent for it to be meaningful.

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RE: Breath Play - 2/20/2006 2:20:18 PM   
darkersolace


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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

If all else fails and you decide to choke her or suffocate her, know you can kill her and will probably end up in prison for 1st degree murder. If you are both willing to take the risk, I hope it's everything you're looking for because it's probably going to be your last scene unless you count the body cavity searches and your bunk mate named Bruno.

Celeste


::edited to add:: Himself has said it probably won't be 1st degree murder, but more likely reckless homocide or even manslaughter. That should make a world of difference to Bruno.



Really now. Let's all try to scare the living crap out of anyone who wants to do any sort of edge play, shall we? YES, breath control is dangerous -- lots of activities people engage in in the lifestyle are dangerous! A Top could accidentally kill a sub by putting them in bondage -- not improper bondage mind you, but still the chance of a blood clot forming and travelling to a lung or the heart is still a possibility. The sub could have a car accident on the way to the Dom's house and die -- do you really want to take that risk??

Calculated risks are a part of everyday life, lovely people. Breath play is very enjoyable, and as long as the Top is responsible, I really don't see what the huge deal is. My Master has two methods which he uses when we have this sort of play: 1) He will choke me, not by cutting off my airway, but by pressing on the arteries in my neck and cutting off the blood flow to the brain. The result is a pleasant lightheadedness, though a sub could easily black out if the Dom isn't paying attention to him/her. About 30 seconds of pressure is more than enough to get giddy. 2) He will place his hand over my nose and mouth, which prevents me from breathing. This is normally safe for a bit longer (a couple of minutes), since it takes a while to run out of air and then start panicking.

All in all, this is just another form of control that yes, could get ugly if someone gets sloppy. So just USE YOUR HEAD, and all will be well!

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