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RE: Female Led Relationships - 7/31/2009 3:04:30 AM   
Imakemensquirm


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The simple answer to your question yes. I have read all of the replies to your question and what I'm seeing on some, are answers based on their own style and they fail to see how narrow that might be. I would agree that always giving a submissive what they are looking for wouldn't work in a truly D/s relationship, but never giving them what they want wouldn't work for long either. We all come to relationships looking and yes expecting certain things from the the other person. We won't always get what we want, but if we seldom, or never do then it isn't a relationship and it will end.

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RE: Female Led Relationships - 7/31/2009 3:22:52 AM   
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I so agree, if I have invested the time and energy to define a means by which the woman and I can harmoniously interact, (Live) find completeness, fulfillment and joy but she is unable to or not desirous of or to lazy to consistently honor that agreement then I will simply vanish one evening without a word being said.
Of course I will be labeled a fraud, perhaps even a coward but her opinion of me has nothing to do with me, it’s her opinion and belongs to her.

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RE: Female Led Relationships - 7/31/2009 3:48:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Imakemensquirm
I have read all of the replies to your question and what I'm seeing on some, are answers based on their own style and they fail to see how narrow that might be.


One can only post opinions or advice based on their own experience.   No one here is omnipotent.  Although, some do like to present that way.


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RE: Female Led Relationships - 7/31/2009 5:19:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: hardbodysub

In your own words:
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Using spanking, corporal punishment, a man naked over my knee with his ass propped up while I go at him with a toy -- sure, that's VERY hot and exciting and at times a very regular part of my life.


Case closed.


NEVER as a way to deter bad behavior,  big difference. HUGE difference.

Akasha



So what? The OP didn't even specify that he meant it in that way. And frankly, some people do use it that way, successfully, and happily. To each his/her own.


How come these people never post about how this is successful, yet femdoms line up to say it's not a good thing to reinforce bad behavior with this kind of punishment?
Where are these people?

Akasha



"How come these people never post about how this is successful"
Oh, but they do. I can't say why you never seem to notice them.

"femdoms line up to say it's not a good thing to reinforce bad behavior with this kind of punishment"
Of course it's not. Obviously it's not really punishment if the sub enjoys it. However, it's not reinforcing bad behavior unless the sub is masochistic and actually enjoys the pain. It's a huge leap of logic to assume that the sub is a masochist and actually enjoys it.

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RE: Female Led Relationships - 7/31/2009 5:32:03 AM   
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my opinion is female led relationships are a perfect fantasy for some, me included, but i honestly think for a relationship to work, it requires a team effort.

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RE: Female Led Relationships - 7/31/2009 5:47:00 AM   
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This does in fact exist.  I have seen four male-led examples of it, two of them mine.  When I first began it, I did it with a woman who had DID and some of her personalities were running amok, and others needed reassurance that the out-of-control personalities would be reined in.  It began very well but ended up being exhausting for me.

I have seen these relationships morph to where the spankings end up being a combination of maintenance and discipline spankings.  As some of you suggested, having maintenance spankings is about the healthiest way to continue.

The plus side of consistent physical discipline is the feeling of safety and security that the submissive can get from having a set of rules, if the sub's emotional development is at a child's level.  The negative side is the energy it saps from the Dom/me.

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RE: Female Led Relationships - 7/31/2009 7:21:00 AM   
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I think there are two reasons why one might enjoy discipline: (1) an interest in impact play, or (2) appreciating what the discipline says about the power dynamic. In the latter case, it is entirely possible that the sub has a mixed response: regret for disappointing and appreciation for what it says for the power dynamic.

Indeed discipline is sometimes viewed in a playful sense by both parties to use as a context or excuse for impact play. At times it is done in its classical spirit versus a playful spirit. I know of a couple who use one implement (a belt) only when the discipline is being done in its classical spirit. When the belt is used, the message is that the sub erred in a way the dominant that made the dominant truly unhappy and now the sub must be punished.

I think relationships of the type described by the OP do exist.

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RE: Female Led Relationships - 7/31/2009 8:06:02 AM   
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Ms Starlett, I happen to love face slapping, either giving or receiving, so that wouldn't be an effective punishment/deterrent in my relationships.

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha
How come these people never post about how this is successful, yet femdoms line up to say it's not a good thing to reinforce bad behavior with this kind of punishment? Where are these people?

I see a lot of them in the male-dom/female-sub relationships who post here. Personally, when I had a submissive, I lectured him and *possibly* gave him a chore he disliked (or had him write something for me) if he deliberately messed up. In my last relationship, my Dominant punished me twice. The first time, I was slightly afraid of him touching me/moving quickly for a couple of weeks, and it gave me bad associations with the tool he used. The second time, I felt very guilty because I enjoyed it, and wasn't supposed to. So, before I made a commitment to my Master, I discussed it with him, and he plans to use non-physical discipline if it is ever needed at some point.

To the OP, I *do* know of some femdoms who use "maintenance spankings" to reinforce headspace - I'm not sure if something like that is what you are hoping for.

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RE: Female Led Relationships - 7/31/2009 11:17:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Andalusite

To the OP, I *do* know of some femdoms who use "maintenance spankings" to reinforce headspace - I'm not sure if something like that is what you are hoping for.


"Maintenance spankings" -- now that's a concept I can get behind.  Pun intended :)

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RE: Female Led Relationships - 7/31/2009 4:07:46 PM   
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(Responding to the OP)

Having read through a number of the criticisms of your search and that it may not "exist", I just want to give you a glimmer of hope because like usual I get the impression that people read a first post and then take it to an extreme, then after reinterpreting it, state, "that's not something I would want".

I was in one of those relationships when I first started out. In your original post, you never actually stated you had to have corporal punishment for doing anything wrong, just that it was incorporated into the relationship. That's what I wanted to respond to, because that was the dynamic under which I first served. I was first owned by two dominants who were somewhat famous in our circles and also happened to work major strip joints across the country when they traveled. Yes, this was back when houses for domination were still a rarity, and a lot of the infamous ones actually did a lot of traveling (they still do, but not to the extent they used to do as professionals). Anyway, I had started up a conversation with them by mail, having read about some of their exploits, and when they were coming to San Francisco, they asked me to meet them for dinner. For the next few years, whenever they visited San Francisco (which was every month or so), they would stay with me, or have me stay with them. Our dynamic was pretty simple. It was strict domination, and it was filled with lots and lots of corporal punishments. It wasn't because I was doing anything wrong, but just because they felt it should be a part of my learning and training (back then, I knew pretty much nothing about bdsm other than it excited me).

This worked for a number of years, and I evolved into a submissive who would never actively seek to displease his mistress. As such, every mistress I hooked up with after that understood that and when incorporating corporal punishment, it was rarely done as "punishment" for something I did wrong, but as an active part of the relationship and training. When I did screw up, however, quite often the "punishment" was definitely something I would have abhorred and hated.

I think that's where people kind of wander from the idea of what corporal punishment is or could be. It doesn't always have to be for crimes committed, but can often be as a training tool as well, without having a reward/punishment specific to it. Another woman I knew loved the idea of corporal punishment and spanking for things done wrong, and she would invent stuff out of the blue (I think I once paid the price for the price of Orange Juice she had to pay at the store once...somehow, it was my fault).

Anyway, was originally just going to ignore this thread, but then decided I'd comment considering so few people read what some of us write anymore (as they turn into conversations between other people; I guess I miss the days when I actually used to be PART of those conversations).


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RE: Female Led Relationships - 7/31/2009 4:18:40 PM   
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Being Ignored feels slightly better than death. Left to my own devices however I seem to have a need to hurt myself.

Being slapped in the face/verbal lashing/namecalling/hurt my feelings seems to get a point across too. A female led relationship is not something I fantasize about... it is something I have lived. It is something that I look for. Just like any other relationship there are pitfalls.

As long as you are an obedient submissive the play will come.

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RE: Female Led Relationships - 8/1/2009 12:56:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Imakemensquirm

The simple answer to your question yes. I have read all of the replies to your question and what I'm seeing on some, are answers based on their own style and they fail to see how narrow that might be. I would agree that always giving a submissive what they are looking for wouldn't work in a truly D/s relationship, but never giving them what they want wouldn't work for long either. We all come to relationships looking and yes expecting certain things from the the other person. We won't always get what we want, but if we seldom, or never do then it isn't a relationship and it will end.

Could not agree more.

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RE: Female Led Relationships - 8/1/2009 6:20:35 PM   
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Spanking can give mixed signals to both parties.  When I was in a female-led relationship recently, we had a difficult time figuring out "punishment."  Spanking didn't really work, a lot of time she wanted to be spanked, but that didn't change the fact that she was in charge!  Probably ogasm denial is a better punishment--even though that is fun, too, it does make me more docile which makes me more obedient and then I learn my lesson, and that's the point of punishment.

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RE: Female Led Relationships - 8/5/2009 8:32:12 AM   
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yes, that can exist. most likely you are looking for a spankophile, or a woman who loves and one of her main fetishes is corporal discipline. its a specific fetish and focus, and there are women out there who truly love to spank, paddle, cane, and discipline. they are rare, and there isn't always one available in every state, you may have to travel or move for such a relationship. this can also be found in the "domestic discipline" category, with a female head of house.

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RE: Female Led Relationships - 8/5/2009 9:01:29 AM   
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I like female led relationships, but I don't get the spanking thing, it sounds so old fashioned, there are lots of more creative and effective ways of punishing someone who misbehaves these days.

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