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sirsholly -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (7/31/2009 3:27:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Public libraries are free, and they're stocked with recipe books, nutrition books for every level of reader - even videos and picture books. Many libraries even have bookmobiles, they practically deliver. At what point are people responsible for themselves? For their own education and well being. quote: ORIGINAL: lovingpet I thought you got your serving of cream from other sources Holly [&:] As for education, there's another one of those big links in the chain I forgot earlier. It is yet another areas that could be improved to help the situation without resorting to this stupidity. Educational classes are rarely, if ever, paid for by insurance, employers, or anyone except individuals. Those who can't afford to pay to learn this information will continue with unwittingly poor eating habits. Further, why on earth even let this crap hit the shelves in the first place? The food industry can do better. There just is no incentive for them to do so. lovingpet why would they do research if they do not see they are doing anything wrong to begin with? The doctors, having heard his obese patient complaining about their inability to lose weight despite "good" eating habits, are going to run high cost tests looking for the cause, which is reaffirming to the patient that it really is a medical issue.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (7/31/2009 3:37:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovingpet . Want to talk about personal responsibility? How about the government stop handing out money to failed banks and businesses? Then there might be some money available for such things as.... gasp.... health care! lovingpet Better yet, how about they leave their hands and our money out of all 3.

Sanity -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (7/31/2009 7:03:59 AM)
If its an education issue, why would an über Liberal entity such as the LA Times urge government to enact punishing taxes everyone's snack foods... Rhetorical question. We all know the answer - Liberals love taxes. if it truly is an education issue, fact is, everything that people need to know about diet and exercise can be written on one small flyer, a copy of which could easily be distributed to every American twice over. Who honestly believes that the government can't print and mail out one small flyer? That would be better than appointing government Nazis to tax away all of our snack choices. Wouldn't it? quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly why would they do research if they do not see they are doing anything wrong to begin with? The doctors, having heard his obese patient complaining about their inability to lose weight despite "good" eating habits, are going to run high cost tests looking for the cause, which is reaffirming to the patient that it really is a medical issue.

sirsholly -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (7/31/2009 9:01:02 AM)
quote: If its an education issue, why would an über Liberal entity such as the LA Times urge government to enact punishing taxes everyone's snack foods... well hell...maybe grocery stores can install scales next to the cash registers? If you are not deemed height/weight proportionate, you are taxed.

Aylee -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (7/31/2009 10:02:29 AM)
I do not buy into the lack of education being the problem. The "food pyramid" is EVERYWHERE. I will say that lack of understanding on just what "a serving" means contributes. I also think that this is partly a consequence of the Great Depression.

sirsholly -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (7/31/2009 10:07:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee I do not buy into the lack of education being the problem. The "food pyramid" is EVERYWHERE. I will say that lack of understanding on just what "a serving" means contributes. I also think that this is partly a consequence of the Great Depression. i kid around about Twinkie filling being a dairy serving, and while it is a really poor example (i mean...come on..no one is that dumb) there are some that will make very poor choices and still consider themselves to be following the pyramid. and i do agree portion control is a big one...

Mercnbeth -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (7/31/2009 10:22:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: If its an education issue, why would an über Liberal entity such as the LA Times urge government to enact punishing taxes everyone's snack foods... well hell...maybe grocery stores can install scales next to the cash registers? If you are not deemed height/weight proportionate, you are taxed. Another GREAT idea! Let's expand upon it. Remember the places where kids were charged based upon their weight? Let's have a scale in every restaurant, in CA the nanny bureaucrats already required that restaurants to publish an exact calorie and fat content of every item on the menu. You weigh in and for every pound over the official US government sanctioned appropriated weight/height standard you're taxed that percentage. Five pounds over what 'nanny' says you pay a 5% surcharge; 150 pounds - 150% surcharge. FANFUCKENTASTIC! I think we closed the budget deficit! Oh, and I'd be paying at least a 25% surcharge myself - however putting this plan out serves my goal of illustrating how much we've accepted government intrusion in our lives. This has the two essential cornerstones of any nanny program; "good intent" and "think about the children!". Who can argue with the benefit? Isn't this what many here want your government to do? Tell you what to do, what to drive, what to eat, what you drink; and enforce their will by taxing the hell out of anyone who doesn't follow their 'one-true-way'. Those who are on-board for taxing SUVs, cigarettes, alcohol; should, in these times, be clamoring for another source of funding your own particular special interest program.

sirsholly -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (7/31/2009 10:26:59 AM)
duh. i was being sarcastic [8\|]

Mercnbeth -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (7/31/2009 10:40:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly duh. i was being sarcastic [8\|] I'm being dead serious. It's time to start trimming the fat. This is a great opportunity for the government to tap into it's fat reserves for funding all the wonderful, beneficial, productive, and working spending programs.

sirsholly -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (7/31/2009 11:12:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly duh. i was being sarcastic [8\|] I'm being dead serious. It's time to start trimming the fat. This is a great opportunity for the government to tap into it's fat reserves for funding all the wonderful, beneficial, productive, and working spending programs. why stop at a scale at the checkout? tell you what...the next time you go to your favorite restaurant the waitress will calculate the fat/caloric intake of the heaping serving of spaghetti, 2 slices of garlic bread, etc. Then if you have the balls to attempt to order dessert you will not only be turned down, but a school marm type will come out and whack you accross the knuckles with a ruler.

popeye1250 -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (7/31/2009 11:21:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: If its an education issue, why would an über Liberal entity such as the LA Times urge government to enact punishing taxes everyone's snack foods... well hell...maybe grocery stores can install scales next to the cash registers? If you are not deemed height/weight proportionate, you are taxed. Another GREAT idea! Let's expand upon it. Remember the places where kids were charged based upon their weight? Let's have a scale in every restaurant, in CA the nanny bureaucrats already required that restaurants to publish an exact calorie and fat content of every item on the menu. You weigh in and for every pound over the official US government sanctioned appropriated weight/height standard you're taxed that percentage. Five pounds over what 'nanny' says you pay a 5% surcharge; 150 pounds - 150% surcharge. FANFUCKENTASTIC! I think we closed the budget deficit! Oh, and I'd be paying at least a 25% surcharge myself - however putting this plan out serves my goal of illustrating how much we've accepted government intrusion in our lives. This has the two essential cornerstones of any nanny program; "good intent" and "think about the children!". Who can argue with the benefit? Isn't this what many here want your government to do? Tell you what to do, what to drive, what to eat, what you drink; and enforce their will by taxing the hell out of anyone who doesn't follow their 'one-true-way'. Those who are on-board for taxing SUVs, cigarettes, alcohol; should, in these times, be clamoring for another source of funding your own particular special interest program. Merc, correct, I really don't want my government in the automobile business and deciding what type of cars and trucks we can drive! That's just not part of the job description of our govt. Boy, "Hillary Clinton" has a nice ring to it now, doesn't it?

SteelofUtah -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (7/31/2009 11:24:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Boy, "Hillary Clinton" has a nice ring to it now, doesn't it? No, No it doesn't.

seababy -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (7/31/2009 11:29:22 AM)
But what about the 40 billion dollar weight loss industry? (That's a lot of jobs, or at least a small handful on a huge amount of dosh!) The food industry profit will plummet if everyone stops eating prepared/canned/prepacked food and stocks up on fresh food and veg. Same with the drug companies, as obesity levels drops and the linked medicals conditions statistics drop with it. The fat cats need you fat! Eat for America! (Or insert your country of origin)

lovingpet -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (7/31/2009 11:43:15 AM)
They revised the food pyramid a few years back and basically turned it upside down. Is it right side up now? I have no idea. If that's the best they are going to offer in the education department, then we are all screwed! LOL I base my diet on my own research and study and in consideration of my own particular needs. Lots of people are too lazy to do this. Screw em. Tax the crap out of them. Others just don't have the faculties to be capable of this. Now we have an issue. But how do you tell one kind of fat person apart from the other? You can't. Policies that are going to levy penalties, however, have the responsibility of doing so. Therefore, no public policy on this issue is remotely appropriate. Besides, I know of plenty of twiggy people who eat much worse than a lot of "fat" people I know. They still deal with the same health consequences except they don't have something in their appearance upon which to discriminate. Crap is crap no matter what body type it enters. Oh, and for the record, health risks are linked to poor habits, not the size of the damn belly. Aside from being irritated by the gossiping the girls did outside her room at night and therefore needing an anxiety pill, my great grandmother lived a good long life healthy until the last 2 years before her death. She was 98 and at least 75+ pounds overweight ALL her life. Then again a friend of mine was at optimal weight, and had been all his life, when he collapsed of a heart attack after a battle with high cholestrol and diabetes at the age of 40. These are not ancedotal examples either. It is quite common. lovingpet

Mercnbeth -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (7/31/2009 11:43:15 AM)
quote: why stop at a scale at the checkout? tell you what...the next time you go to your favorite restaurant the waitress will calculate the fat/caloric intake of the heaping serving of spaghetti, 2 slices of garlic bread, etc. Then if you have the balls to attempt to order dessert you will not only be turned down, but a school marm type will come out and whack you accross the knuckles with a ruler. Another GREAT idea! Taxation with a little S&M side-dish. It seems the revenue sources are virtually endless! We can fund 'Bush Stimulus III" with this idea. It could be funding off the fat of the land!

Aylee -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (7/31/2009 12:03:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovingpet They revised the food pyramid a few years back and basically turned it upside down. Is it right side up now? I have no idea. If that's the best they are going to offer in the education department, then we are all screwed! LOL http://www.mypyramid.gov/ There is the current, and frankly I pretty much stick with the one I grew up with and common sense. But that site will allow you to track your pryamid, has different pryamids for different populations and so forth. It is a great education site for getting a good idea of how to eat healthier. But the basics are still the same ~ LOTS of fresh fruits and veggies, MINIMAL fats and refined sugars (like ice-cream and cake).

lovingpet -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (7/31/2009 12:06:20 PM)
Good site! Thanks! Common sense isn't really that common. Sad, but true. That I cannot and will not defend. lovingpet

seababy -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (7/31/2009 12:10:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee I do not buy into the lack of education being the problem. The "food pyramid" is EVERYWHERE. I will say that lack of understanding on just what "a serving" means contributes.agree! I also think that this is partly a consequence of the Great Depression. Like most people Ive given this some thought My take on all this is...(I know, you cant wait for my little nugget of foodie wisdom can you?) In Australian indigenous culture, as you grow up your taught about the bush and the food sources around you. eg: "this" can only be eaten, after preparation with soaking to take out the bitterness. This is the season for "that" and is good eating. "These" berries look like food but they are poison. Dont eat or touch. Dont eat kangaroo liver you will die etc However the mainstream Australian culture teaches that if its in the food aisles its all good eating. What should really happen (in the parallel universe run by Seababy.) is the adults in the family should be taking their children hunting and gathering down the local 7-11 and saying "Yes this is good eating, and identifying other stuff and saying, yeah it looks like food but that's poison.(Twinkies, other various hidden corn syrup evil) Just because someone wants to make a buck selling you something they label as "good tucker" doesn't make it so. (maccas comes to mind) And furthermore...why cant I use my slash key or apostrophe when replying? :( (edited to take out food pyramid comment by the time Id typed this wasn't relevant)

Sanity -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (7/31/2009 12:16:54 PM)
Ever had some punk ask you to buy him a beer outside a Qwicky Mart before? Think fat people. "Psst - buy me a package of twinkies, and you can have half!" quote: ORIGINAL: sirshollywhy stop at a scale at the checkout? tell you what...the next time you go to your favorite restaurant the waitress will calculate the fat/caloric intake of the heaping serving of spaghetti, 2 slices of garlic bread, etc. Then if you have the balls to attempt to order dessert you will not only be turned down, but a school marm type will come out and whack you accross the knuckles with a ruler.

lovingpet -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (7/31/2009 12:25:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: seababy quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee I do not buy into the lack of education being the problem. The "food pyramid" is EVERYWHERE. I actually think thats part of the problem. The food pyramid is created and funded by the meat and dairy industry and not necessarily right for all people I will say that lack of understanding on just what "a serving" means contributes.agree! I also think that this is partly a consequence of the Great Depression. Like most people Ive given this some thought My take on all this is...(I know, you cant wait for my little nugget of foodie wisdom can you?) In Australian indigenous culture, as you grow up your taught about the bush and the food sources around you. eg: "this" can only be eaten, after preparation with soaking to take out the bitterness. This is the season for "that" and is good eating. "These" berries look like food but they are poison. Dont eat or touch. Dont eat kangaroo liver you will die etc However the mainstream Australian culture teaches that if its in the food aisles its all good eating. What should really happen (in the parallel universe run by Seababy.) is the adults in the family should be taking their children hunting and gathering down the local 7-11 and saying "Yes this is good eating, and identifying other stuff and saying, yeah it looks like food but that's poison.(Twinkies, other various hidden corn syrup evil) Just because someone wants to make a buck selling you something they label as "good tucker" doesn't make it so. And furthermore...why cant I use my slash key or apostrophe when replying? :( (Maccas comes to mind) There ya go! People's nutritional needs are unique. Though, perhaps a reasonable guideline, it falls far short. One size fits all does not work when it comes to people EVER. That goes for nutrition, exercise, medicine, and anything else under the sun. Being able to use the information that applies and toss the rest is a very good skill. It is not, however, available to everyone. For others, it is a skill they choose not to employ. If we are going for an idiot tax, great! But don't sweep others up in it who are doing their homework and the best they can for themselves. It is very easy to block out the big picture. There are plenty of people who would be doing far better if they could. Correct the reasons they can't. Don't further penalize them for things out of their own control. I know. Poor people are poor because they are lazy and unmotivated. Sick people got that way because they must abuse their bodies. People of diminished mental capacity should have been aborted or euthanized at birth. Supporting this tax is similar to agreeing with those positions. It's a comfy reality to live in if one does view these major societal ills in this way. The reality that actually places value on the well being of people, is a far harder job. I'd rather do the hard work. Let's do better at being human beings. That's all I'm asking. For this thread, I am now over and out. lovingpet

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