RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people

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Aylee -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (7/31/2009 1:00:16 PM)
The food pyramid is created by the USDA. So it is funded by our taxes. Blaming the meat and dairy industry is just an excuse NOT to use it or to make lifestyle changes. So. . . you don't like it. That is fine. Your PCP can and will give you a food guide. You can get one from weight watchers also. In fact, you can find them ALL over the place.

seababy -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (7/31/2009 2:20:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee The food pyramid is created by the USDA. So it is funded by our taxes. Blaming the meat and dairy industry is just an excuse NOT to use it or to make lifestyle changes. Yes its funded by taxes, doesn't mean its right. Its very easy to find a lot of discussion on USDA having conflict of interest. I happen to fall on the side of the people who think the USDA are well and truly in bed with the meat and dairy industry. Not sure who you are posting this comment for but I personally don't reject the holy USDA food pyramid because I don't want to make lifestyle changes. I spent a lot of time researching my nutrition options to lead a healthier life. Then I made lifestyle changes that fit around what I believed after considerable reading was going to work for me. I reject the amount of grains meat and diary consumption encouraged and made the effort to eat clean as a health not a weight loss choice. I'm not sitting here sneering at the food charts while I face plant into a chocolate mousse cake. So. . . you don't like it. That is fine. Your PCP can and will give you a food guide. You can get one from weight watchers also. In fact, you can find them ALL over the place. I personally believe there is a lot of misinformation (All over the place) out there and getting your nutritional advice from the diet industry hasn't worked well for the vast majority of people in the long term. There is a reason its a 40 billion dollar industry.(Or however much it is now)

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (7/31/2009 2:41:58 PM)
I have never seen water cost more than soda. Water around here is about 3-4 bucks for a case of 24, IF you want name brand, well then it's like 5 dollars. They even have some great deals at Food Max here in my town they give you 3 cases of 24 for like 3.99 A case of 24 soda's has been as much as 7 dollars. Of course just because I have never seen it myself doesn't mean I'm going to say it never happens, just that I am a bit skeptical. I agree that some fruits and veggies are out rageous though, it'll cost you like 20 bucks to get 4 or 5 orange bell beppers, and sacks of fresh frozen veggies are about 4 bucks a sack, if you can't find the generic sacks. quote: ORIGINAL: lovingpet Did I screw up my words again? grrrrrr.... NO...it is the bottled water that costs more. lovingpet

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (7/31/2009 2:53:33 PM)
I hope you're being sarcastic, If it tastes good it's fattening, WEll that depends on what you think tastes goood. I personally think fresh fruit and veggies and corn on the cob fresh from the garden and yams and water mellons tastes good, and you can not say those items are fattening. I also like yogurt. I think fresh pure water tastes good too. Now if you're the kind to think only the junk tastes yummy and tasty then yes, it's fattening, but tasting good is not hand in hand w/ith being fattening. Second of all, eating less and exercising, are wonderful but they're not the whole battle, you need to know about nutrition and understand how your body uses foods and what foods fuel your body the best, no I'm not talking healthy food vs junk food that's obvious. I'm talking about lets say an apple versus a peach, which one is going to go farther in nurishment than the other, which one releases more natural sugars and there for can be badder for you. And what would you tell those people who don't eat hardly at all. Or people who think they're doing right by themselves and are being healthy but they're diabetic and the fresh fruit they've been eating 5 times a day is spiking their glucose levels. You can't eat just any old fruit willy nilly as a diabetic, some will have a negative affect on your glucose levels. You can't solve it all with eat less and get off your ass. You need proper nutritional education and it's just not being provided enough right now. quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth quote: Educational classes Suggested Curriculum: EAT LESS GET OFF YOUR ASS AND EXERCISE REPEAT DAILY CLASS DISMISSED Master's Degree Class: If it tastes good - it's fattening; eat limited quantities. Doctorate Class: Eliminate from your diet everything white or made from white ingredients and you will lose weight. (Wonder if I get apply for a government grant using some of that undistributed 'stimulus' money?) quote: Further, why on earth even let this crap hit the shelves in the first place? You propose as a solution to put the government in charge of determining what goes on grocery store shelves because people are too stupid or don't have the ability to make a good decision? You have been properly indoctrinated. quote: The food industry can do better. There just is no incentive for them to do so. The food industry has a GREAT incentive. You, me, and other people buy it, they make money. Buy and eat too much you get fat and they make more money. Not really a difficult concept and not one which should require legislation or change results. I think the formula also works in reverse. Don't buy it, don't eat it, you consume less calories, you lose weight. Enough follow that formula and ultimately the product is removed from the store shelves without the need for a bureaucrat to monitor your buying or eating habits. However I think a $100/pizza tax, a $5/12 ounces of soda tax, and a $25/gallon ice-cream tax would be FANFUCKINGTASTIC!

Aylee -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (7/31/2009 3:38:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: seababy I'm not sitting here sneering at the food charts while I face plant into a chocolate mousse cake. Well, it is OKAY to do that. As long as you throw-up afterwards.

Sanity -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (7/31/2009 3:51:45 PM)
I'm six-foot, one inch tall and I weigh just shy of two hundred pounds. I climbed twelve stories of stairs today and did various other exercises, so I wonder if its okay with the LA Times if I go out to an all-I-can-eat Chinese buffet tonight. Or will that make me a sinner? [sm=evil.gif]

seababy -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (7/31/2009 3:55:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: seababy I'm not sitting here sneering at the food charts while I face plant into a chocolate mousse cake. Well, it is OKAY to do that. As long as you throw-up afterwards. Haha! Sounds a bit like Clintons. "Didn't inhale".

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (7/31/2009 4:02:40 PM)
It's a silly tax. If they really are concerned about people's health then ban stuff like fructose and corn syrup, which is in just about everything, and have higher standards on what chemicals and stuff that are clearly bad for you and clearly create health problems. Make fresh healthy unprocessed stuff cost less. not all fat people eat junk like chips and cake and candy and ice cream and plenty of skinny people do too. My x was rail thin and he ate nothing but junk. He could finish a box of doughnuts by himself, he loved doughnuts and cookies and tv dinners and if it was junk food he loved it. Heck at 1:30 in the morning he'd be making a plate of microwavable taco's smothering them in cheese eating them and having a can of soda and going to bed in 30 minutes, While I the fat woman ate sensibly* most the time* and didn't pig out till all hours of the morning on junk as he did.and then go to bed full of junk. Also you can get fat on healthy foods too if you're eating to much of them and not exercise. So what then, what about someone who eats perfectly healthy they just eat 10 times more than they need.

blacksword404 -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (7/31/2009 4:44:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: seababy But what about the 40 billion dollar weight loss industry? (That's a lot of jobs, or at least a small handful on a huge amount of dosh!) The food industry profit will plummet if everyone stops eating prepared/canned/prepacked food and stocks up on fresh food and veg. Same with the drug companies, as obesity levels drops and the linked medicals conditions statistics drop with it. The fat cats need you fat! Eat for America! (Or insert your country of origin) Fuck em. McDonald's is hiring.

greenearth21 -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (7/31/2009 11:49:32 PM)
Why is everyone blaming everyone else and not looking to the individual??? I'm well aware that fresh food/fruit is not cheap. I know there is High fructose corn syrup in everything but in moderation its not going to kill you. Working out once in a while....yeah that'll help too. Same thing goes for smoking. you pick it up, light it up...deal with the consequences. I'm not interested in suing the tobacco company for false representation when I knew it wasn't a healthy lifestyle in the beginning. And the government....ofcourse they are trying to tax the daylights out of anyone who represents revenue for them to add here and shuffle there.

sirsholly -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (8/1/2009 2:41:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity I'm six-foot, one inch tall and I weigh just shy of two hundred pounds. I climbed twelve stories of stairs today and did various other exercises, so I wonder if its okay with the LA Times if I go out to an all-I-can-eat Chinese buffet tonight. Or will that make me a sinner? [sm=evil.gif] runs from lightening bolts

sirsholly -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (8/1/2009 2:43:14 AM)
quote: Also you can get fat on healthy foods too if you're eating to much of them and not exercise. So what then, what about someone who eats perfectly healthy they just eat 10 times more than they need. that is called a lack of self control

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (8/1/2009 10:58:29 AM)
Yes. It is. It points out though how short sided a ban on "fat encouraging foods" is though I feel, because anything can be unhealthy. I could go to the store and buy some zoochini and come home and deep fat fry it, and poof it's not as healthy any more. Same with potato's and other healthy stuff, and so just taxing junk food in the hopes that it'll deterr people is not going to work, because you can turn anything into junk food, with a little enginuity. quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: Also you can get fat on healthy foods too if you're eating to much of them and not exercise. So what then, what about someone who eats perfectly healthy they just eat 10 times more than they need. that is called a lack of self control

Lockit -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (8/1/2009 11:35:37 AM)
When they target certain people, for whom you are different, you may find the reasoning something you agree with. What happens when they target you? After what I heard out of the mouths of the surgeon general and a few others in the last twenty four hours... I have to say... What is freedom? Are we so sheep-like that we need our government guiding us throughout all aspects of life? I am fifty one years old and nearly fifty two. I have weighed less than a hundred pounds most my life. The only times I gained was when I had a lil package in my belly. Then my thyroid went the other direction and I gained over-night 47 pounds and eating wasn't a part of it. I got the thyroid under control and then worked on getting back to my tiny size. Within a short time I was 107 pounds and happy with that. A sweet domly one even said I had a cute ass. I moved here in Nov. and by Dec. I knew I was in trouble... that old thyroid again, but this time no doctors. I was 107 and happy and I didn't over eat, infact I am always so sick it is hard to eat. And now... what do I weigh? I don't know... but I am very much bigger than my 107, twinkies had nothing to do with it and I am uncomfortable and still not able to make anything change. So... tax me... judge me... think I made poor choices and don't worry about medical care or freedom... I wouldn't support that medical bill or all the freedoms and rights they are stripping away... I won't eat that shit they can tax me on and will accept the sugar substitutes they do approve of that are dangerous to many in a neurological way... no I won't care because my mostly skinny ass that was never healthy will soon die and you all will be stuck with it. To those I love I will care.. but to anyone promoting all this crap... you will get what you deserve because one day... you will see they targeted you too.

Sanity -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (8/1/2009 12:08:20 PM)
Junk food prohibition would undoubtedly spur on a lot of black market donuts and things anyway. How do you ban food? quote: ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom Yes. It is. It points out though how short sided a ban on "fat encouraging foods" is though I feel, because anything can be unhealthy. I could go to the store and buy some zoochini and come home and deep fat fry it, and poof it's not as healthy any more. Same with potato's and other healthy stuff, and so just taxing junk food in the hopes that it'll deterr people is not going to work, because you can turn anything into junk food, with a little enginuity.

Lockit -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (8/1/2009 12:10:40 PM)
They won't ban it... just tax it! lol

Sanity -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (8/1/2009 12:37:06 PM)
That's what prohibition was all about, taxation. Why do you suppose it was "them damn revenuers" who enforced it... quote: ORIGINAL: Lockit They won't ban it... just tax it! lol

sirsholly -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (8/1/2009 1:16:13 PM)
quote: I'm not sitting here sneering at the food charts while I face plant into a chocolate mousse cake. um...can we have it?

Lockit -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (8/1/2009 1:26:35 PM)
At the moment... I might fight for a lil of that cake! Might improve my mood! Happy food! I need a dose of it... now! lol After all... pretty soon its price will be up there with gold!

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: L.A. Times: Tough love for fat people (8/1/2009 7:39:31 PM)
I mis spoke, I meant taxes not a ban, I didn't notice that mistake till you asked the question. All though maybe with the way things are going in a few years you'll see propositions to ban certain foods "for our own good" And yeah banning things never did any good just drove it under ground and the mobsters* dureing prohibition* and the black markets got a bigger hold on things. quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Junk food prohibition would undoubtedly spur on a lot of black market donuts and things anyway. How do you ban food? quote: ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom Yes. It is. It points out though how short sided a ban on "fat encouraging foods" is though I feel, because anything can be unhealthy. I could go to the store and buy some zoochini and come home and deep fat fry it, and poof it's not as healthy any more. Same with potato's and other healthy stuff, and so just taxing junk food in the hopes that it'll deterr people is not going to work, because you can turn anything into junk food, with a little enginuity.

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