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RE: Expectations - 7/31/2009 9:49:54 AM   
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Sure, I have expectations of people all the time, and I would hope they have expectations of me too.

If we're talking about an intimate relationship, I expect to be treated with consideration, I expect the other person to be honest, I expect them to follow through with something they say they'll do etc.

I expect my daughter to clean her room if I ask her to. She expects me to pick her up from school when I say I'll be there.

My boss expects me to show up on time and do my job, I expect him to give me a paycheck at the end of the week.

If I go see a doctor, I expect them to treat me or diagnose me etc. 

These are just a few quick examples off the top of my head.   

I really can't imagine living without expectations,  it would be like living without standards.

Am I missing your context?

On edit, I just saw your subsequent post.   I never expect apologies from people, but if they feel better giving one, then I would just accept it graciously.

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RE: Expectations - 7/31/2009 9:59:15 AM   
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since everything exists for a purpose, there must be some expectations associated with them. so i'm in agreement with you

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RE: Expectations - 7/31/2009 5:26:35 PM   
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oh definately I'd be offended. I grew up trying to show my father that I was worthy of more than he thought I was. I'd rather get frustrated with not being able to meet someone's high expectations than to waste my time trying to convince them that I'm even worthy of expectations.

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RE: Expectations - 7/31/2009 8:06:46 PM   
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Thank you, Merc and Panda, for your responses to my personal comment.

I have some things to work on.

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RE: Expectations - 7/31/2009 9:08:25 PM   
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Thank you, Merc and Panda, for your responses to my personal comment.


You're quite welcome. I hope it helped somewhat.


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I have some things to work on.



Oh, we all do, Kim. We all do. We're all on the same journey, and it never ends. The minute you think you've got it figured out is the minute you start forgetting everything you've learned to that point. Best of luck to you. 

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RE: Expectations - 7/31/2009 11:32:58 PM   
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I have no expectations of anyone and encourge others NOT to have expectations of me unless I've commited to whatever the expectation may be.
Life is better that way.

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RE: Expectations - 8/2/2009 3:30:45 AM   
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I was curious to know, would it offend you if no one expected anything from you?



At work - I'd find a new job. I'm there to achieve not to coast along. I wouldn't be offended but I'd find a new job.

With a woman - I'd find a new woman. I wouldn't be offended but I'd have little respect for a woman who has no dreams/aspirations/expectations.

I have never encountered anyone who didn't want something in return. Everyone has to get something from a deal to make it worthwhile.

Edited to add: surely life is having expectations to which you can aim and have them reciprocated? You know - give and take?

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RE: Expectations - 8/3/2009 2:28:40 AM   
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Edited to add: surely life is having expectations to which you can aim and have them reciprocated? You know - give and take?



Hello NG,

I could agree to saying life is full of goals, and ambitions toward reaching those goals; however, I am finding having expectations, even toward titles and myself, is much more hindering than helpful. Whenever I’ve tried to expect, life has had a tendency of handing back the exception to the rule.

I believe life is a lesson; live and learn. I give, receive, accept (needs improvement), assess (needs improvement), and then move on from there (should improve with the other two). Seems to me, expecting more than that is somehow intrusive, ungrateful, and limiting; leading to regret, blame, and failure; at least as it pertains to me.

Hopefully, that makes sense.

Kim

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RE: Expectations - 8/3/2009 12:10:55 PM   
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Hello Kim

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I could agree to saying life is full of goals, and ambitions toward reaching those goals; however, I am finding having expectations, even toward titles and myself, is much more hindering than helpful. Whenever I’ve tried to expect, life has had a tendency of handing back the exception to the rule.



Is this a matter of being jaded with life?

Please don't take this as patronising as it's not meant to be:

Life isn't a bed of roses - there'll always be knocks along the way. The measure of a person is how they handle things when they're not going the way the person wants them - a well worn cliche yet you certainly get the measure of someone when they're faced with the hard times.

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I believe life is a lesson; live and learn. I give, receive, accept (needs improvement), assess (needs improvement), and then move on from there (should improve with the other two). Seems to me, expecting more than that is somehow intrusive, ungrateful, and limiting; leading to regret, blame, and failure; at least as it pertains to me.



I'd go along with reasonable expectations. I suppose it's a case of that which you're capable of achieving and aligning your expectations accordingly.

I agree - life certainly is a lesson. Some people want to experience the opportunities that life has to offer - the good and the bad; other people are afraid of life and afraid of failure.

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RE: Expectations - 8/3/2009 12:38:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: stella41b
I gave up having expectations concerning other people a few years back and even having set expectations from life.


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ORIGINAL: greenearth21
I have no expectations of anyone and encourge others NOT to have expectations of me unless I've commited to whatever the expectation may be.
Life is better that way.


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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
No - because I live my life not expecting anything from anyone else.


Nonsense. You have expectations constantly. You expect you won't be attacked in your home. You expect law enforcement will at least keep crime down. You expect the military will do something about it if we are invaded. You expect the mail will be delivered, allowing you to continue getting and paying bills (or if you pay online, you expect that to securely work). You expect you will have work (whether employed or running your own show), and that if you lose that, others will provided it (at least eventually). You expect your doctor to tell you the truth. You expect your lawyer to carry through as instruction. You expect your partner to be with you still tomorrow. You expect other drivers to, on balance, stay on their side of the road. You expect the grocery store food not to be poisoned. You expect the government not to falsely accuse and imprison you. You expect your mechanic to keep your automobile from dangerously falling apart on the road unexpectedly.

You live in a society. You expect it to basically function. And it does.



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RE: Expectations - 8/3/2009 2:38:58 PM   
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an expectation is a premeditated resentment

This really struck home with me.

I immediately thought of someone who "gave up on cm". He had been hurt so many times, etc. I think we had under a dozen communications before he said "You women need to treat me better. GET CANCER AND DIE YOU FUCKING WHORE."

With each communication he tried to stuff me into the  Just Another Evil Woman box. I unwisely tried to be reasonable up to that point.


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RE: Expectations - 8/3/2009 2:49:31 PM   
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...I was curious to know, would it offend you if no one expected anything from you?...


offended wouldn't be the correct term for it...more like lost.
 
this slave has lived under a specific set of expectations from those in authority over her for the majority (all but a three week period of time) of her 42 years.
 
it would be more like this slave's whole world just turned upside down than an offense..to suddenly have no-one expect anything of this slave.

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RE: Expectations - 8/3/2009 4:11:42 PM   
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Nonsense.


The question was:
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would it offend you if no one expected anything from you?


I stand by my answer - NO, I am not offended if everyone didn't expected anything from me. Neither would I expect anyone else to be offended by me not expecting anything from them. I'm self reliant and always have a personally accountable back up plan if my partner, lawyer, doctor or as recent trends are proving - society, doesn't meet my expectations. I once expected that the building I worked in wouldn't be deliberately run into by a jet; serving to prove how foolish expectations are; no matter how remote the possibility. Much better to rely on zero expectation and be pleasantly surprised when you live through a day.

I wouldn't expect YOU or anyone else to speak for me. I guess I should have an expectation of reading comprehension, but as your response indicates, I shouldn't. Instead, as referenced in my reply, I'm "pleasantly surprised" when it occurs.

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RE: Expectations - 8/3/2009 7:47:13 PM   
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And I by my answer.

The dramatic twist and the insult not improving the logic.

Enjoy your daily surprises.

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RE: Expectations - 8/3/2009 10:48:51 PM   
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Nonsense. You have expectations constantly. You expect you won't be attacked in your home. You expect law enforcement will at least keep crime down. You expect the military will do something about it if we are invaded. You expect the mail will be delivered, allowing you to continue getting and paying bills (or if you pay online, you expect that to securely work). You expect you will have work (whether employed or running your own show), and that if you lose that, others will provided it (at least eventually). You expect your doctor to tell you the truth. You expect your lawyer to carry through as instruction. You expect your partner to be with you still tomorrow. You expect other drivers to, on balance, stay on their side of the road. You expect the grocery store food not to be poisoned. You expect the government not to falsely accuse and imprison you. You expect your mechanic to keep your automobile from dangerously falling apart on the road unexpectedly.

You live in a society. You expect it to basically function. And it does.




Not to get all semantic on you, but I don't think I expect a single thing on that list. These are all things that I hope would happen, and in most cases assume probably would happen, but expect? Not in the sense that I presume they will happen. For the most part, I don't expect anything out of life that I can't see 6 inches in front of my nose. I take everything in life as it comes, and deal with it as it happens. If it doesn't happen, I'm usually fully prepared for that eventuality, because i wasn't really expecting it anyway, and I deal with it on the fly, usually with minimal disruption. I like not having too many expectations. It teaches me to live in the moment, and treat every event in my life like the unique experience it is.


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RE: Expectations - 8/4/2009 2:53:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

Is this a matter of being jaded with life?



Perceiving life as a lesson prevents that from happening.

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I'd go along with reasonable expectations. I suppose it's a case of that which you're capable of achieving and aligning your expectations accordingly.


Can we try for reasonable speculation?!? *hopeful face*

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I agree - life certainly is a lesson. Some people want to experience the opportunities that life has to offer - the good and the bad; other people are afraid of life and afraid of failure.


What opportunities? Whose life?

Lessons are neither good nor bad, however, not accurately assessing what one should learn from them; potentially dangerous.

I am not afraid of failure in day to day existence; I just have a hard time determining when it has occurred, and what it should imply if it has occurred.

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RE: Expectations - 8/4/2009 3:05:51 AM   
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it would be more like this slave's whole world just turned upside down than an offense..to suddenly have no-one expect anything of this slave.


Sort of 'loss of purpose'?

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RE: Expectations - 8/4/2009 9:14:17 AM   
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Nonsense. You have expectations constantly. You expect you won't be attacked in your home. You expect law enforcement will at least keep crime down. You expect the military will do something about it if we are invaded. You expect the mail will be delivered, allowing you to continue getting and paying bills (or if you pay online, you expect that to securely work). You expect you will have work (whether employed or running your own show), and that if you lose that, others will provided it (at least eventually). You expect your doctor to tell you the truth. You expect your lawyer to carry through as instruction. You expect your partner to be with you still tomorrow. You expect other drivers to, on balance, stay on their side of the road. You expect the grocery store food not to be poisoned. You expect the government not to falsely accuse and imprison you. You expect your mechanic to keep your automobile from dangerously falling apart on the road unexpectedly.

You live in a society. You expect it to basically function. And it does.

Not to get all semantic on you, but I don't think I expect a single thing on that list. These are all things that I hope would happen, and in most cases assume probably would happen, but expect? Not in the sense that I presume they will happen. For the most part, I don't expect anything out of life that I can't see 6 inches in front of my nose. I take everything in life as it comes, and deal with it as it happens. If it doesn't happen, I'm usually fully prepared for that eventuality, because i wasn't really expecting it anyway, and I deal with it on the fly, usually with minimal disruption. I like not having too many expectations. It teaches me to live in the moment, and treat every event in my life like the unique experience it is.


I agree with living in the moment, with not setting up unrealistic expectations and so forth.

But not with your semantic distinction. For most of the things on that list, you'd take action if those expectations weren't met.

If someone suddenly swerved into your car, smashing into you and severely changing the quality of your life, you'd sue. If you took a class you really wanted to learn and the adjunct professor said "Forget about the class--it's a money gimic for me...don't worry, you all get A grades," you wouldn't shrug and say "Well, I expected nothing anyway." You'd be in the Dean's office.

Now, granted you presume the lawyer will take your case and well-represent you, and you presume the Dean will be suitably concerned and fire the offending professor. But bottom line, your expectations weren't met, and you're going to do something about it.

I understand and somewhat agree with what's being said about not taking offense, taking charge of and responsibility for our own lives and situations and so forth. But to go as far as to claim one expects nothing is just not realistic. Whether the speaker is aware of the expectations, whether they are wishes or assumptions or presumptions, we walk forth each morning with expectations, including expectations of others, even if those are consciously kept minimal.

Further, setting the bar low is not necessarily a particularly philosophical way to live, but rather a cop out to ensure a high achievement score. When those goals and expectations carry too much weight, then yes, things are out of balance, but going forth singing "I'll just expect nothing, then it's all good" would be a pretty vapid way to go through life, merely existing.

Live well.

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RE: Expectations - 8/4/2009 3:09:16 PM   
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Perceiving life as a lesson prevents that from happening.



Possibly - what about where a person believes that the lessons are invariably harsh?

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Can we try for reasonable speculation?!? *hopeful face*



Oh go on then :-) Then again doesn't a gamble come complete with expectations of a succesful outcome? Surely no one gambles to lose?

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What opportunities?



The opportunity to make something of your life?

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Lessons are neither good nor bad



I tend to agree with this. Possibilities/risks/choices/outcomes. Let's say the outcome is that which you desire and that which you don't - rather than good or bad.

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I just have a hard time determining when it has occurred, and what it should imply if it has occurred.



Measuring your desired outcome against the actual outcome?

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RE: Expectations - 8/8/2009 2:17:38 PM   
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Hi NG,

Hope you didn't think I had forgotten about you.

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Possibly - what about where a person believes that the lessons are invariably harsh?

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I’m not sure what you are asking here, as I was only attempting to speak for myself. So, if I missed your point, just let me know.

In my experience it is the difference between believing our experiences are personal, compared to thinking of them as personalized, and inaccuracy in determining what one should be learning. Not saying those are necessarily the only reasons, but I suspect they are possibly the two most common.

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Oh go on then :-) Then again doesn't a gamble come complete with expectations of a successful outcome? Surely no one gambles to lose?


Wellll, I did have this one boyfriend…

I think people gamble hoping it will pay off. To gamble without considering the possibility that it won’t pay off, seems foolish to me.

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The opportunity to make something of your life?


I suppose. It’s not always easy to know what to do with those either. Also, something tells me, ‘making something of one’s life’, may not be as obvious as what is generally accepted.

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I tend to agree with this. Possibilities/risks/choices/outcomes. Let's say the outcome is that which you desire and that which you don't - rather than good or bad.


Perhaps you would agree to pleasant and unpleasant?

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Measuring your desired outcome against the actual outcome?


Not sure... An example that causes confusion for me:

I had believed that I hadn’t learned much during my early school years. With the exception of getting straight B’s in the 6th grade, my grades were usually low to failing. I was told by my guidance counselor not to bother with looking into college, because I wouldn’t be successful at it.

Fast forward to age 34, I decided to go back to school; at least get my GED; get some sort of closer on that chapter of my life, and see where I might get from there.

Surprise!! I am told my scores rank within the top 3 % of traditional high school graduates. I manage to go on to college, and do exceptionally well there also; especially in consideration of what I believed, in accordance with the evidence that had been presented to me.

Seems to me, there is failure there, but whose, and where?

Then again, I’ve noted, primary school isn’t as much about learning, as it is ‘memorizing for the test’.  Seems like a distraction/conditioning, wasn’t exactly the goal, perhaps not doing well isn’t failure.

See what I mean?

Kim

Edited to add: please excuse the messed up quotes... not sure what happened there.

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