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New philosophy on dominance and submission - 8/2/2009 2:07:46 AM   
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I want to share my latest view on dominance and submission, and see what you guys think.

1st Principle: S/m is one emotion with many expressions

For my amusement I'm inventing a verb: 'sem'. Sem is when you're feeling 'S/m ish.' We've all got different ways of expressing this, some people like to be beaten, some called names, some like to do the beating and/or calling. Or mindfucks, or barking commands and being obeyed, whatev. But I kind of lump it all under one emotion with different forms of expression.

Of course, this is an abstract simplification; but it's useful for me. Despite my sexual preference for being on top of things, the things that have taught me the most about dominance were those times I am doing my level best to follow instructions under duress, most recently by my instructors in kickboxing class. It all reaches a point of singularity, for me. I feel very sem after one of those classes, and it's hard to keep a lid on my sadistic/dominant streak at work lately since I've been taking them. I imagine a more submissive person would feel the same way, but express it differently. (More aggressively submissive?) Which leads me to my next point.

2nd Principle: Aggressiveness does not Equal Dominance: It multiplies it

...nor does passiveness equal submission. It's a multiplier, though... aggressiveness * sem = how visible your state of mind is. (What is sem? Read the paragraph above again...) And the more passive you are, the LESS apparent it is whether you're feeling dominant or submissive at the moment.

Of course there are many different reasons to be passive or aggressive. Feeling unfulfilled or hopeless can make your passive, but so can feeling satistified or just really tired. Etc., etc. So try to believe I'm applying common sense when using this rule; it's not perfect.

3rd Principle: Sem is exactly like sex, but different

Go ahead and snicker at that one, but hear me out. Sex is what couples do when at least one of us is horny, no? Unless there's a camera and money involved, and even then it helps to actually want it. Sometimes it's planned in advance when we are horny but can't act, and that can be challenging, but interest is usually revived when the main event happens. And 'sexiness' generally takes a little bit of effort; working out, eating right, taking care of yourself, the more you do the more you are.

Sem is the same damned thing. Try this out: Sem is what couples do when at least one of them is feeling frenzy, no? Unless there's a camera and money involved, and even then it helps to actually want it. Sometimtes it's planned in advance when we want whippings and sub/Domspace but can't act, and that can be challenging; but interest is usually revived when the main event happens. And being a compelling sub/Dom generally takes a bit of effort; practicing, keeping in shape, testing your boundaries, the more you do the more you are.

4th Principle: DO IT
I see a lot of subs complain about 'fakes' and about not feeling really kept in subspace. I don't see as many Doms or dommes complaining, but it does happen sometimes. Well, the rule here is simple: Sem is like sex. If you're in a relationship that's more than a couple of dates, the rule is to FUCKING DO IT FOR YOUR PARTNER WHETHER YOU FEEL LIKE IT OR NOT. (Communication is key, but sometimes you have to say 'fuck communication' and ACT. It can be a hard line to find.)

This is kind of expected for subs, what with the whole obedience thing... and it's kind of not demanded from Dominants or Masters. If it's the sub talking, then all they can do usually without catching shit for it is express helpless dissatisfaction, really. And that's okay, whatever floats, etc., etc.. Now. That said, if you'll allow me the egotism here, this is peer review and if your sub is talking this way then you have failed my review. Fucking man/woman up and do that thing!

It's like this: If I am horny I expect enthusiastic satisfaction. On her period, or she's tired, doesn't matter, if I ask then I expect a yes. Vice versa: if I have a girl who's feeling horny, and she's my girl, I firmly believe by god and by country it is my duty as a man to ream her hole. That's it. When things were good, it was usually because we were following this rule, and when they were bad we weren't. It's hard sometimes (harder for me to be dominant 'on tap' than to be ready for sex, I have a ridiculous sex drive), but the payoff is enormous.

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RE: New philosophy on dominance and submission - 8/2/2009 4:40:30 AM   
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RE: New philosophy on dominance and submission - 8/2/2009 5:14:49 AM   
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quote:

It's like this: If I am horny I expect enthusiastic satisfaction. On her period, or she's tired, doesn't matter, if I ask then I expect a yes.



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Vice versa: if I have a girl who's feeling horny, and she's my girl, I firmly believe by god and by country it is my duty as a man to ream her hole. That's it. When things were good, it was usually because we were following this rule, and when they were bad we weren't. It's hard sometimes (harder for me to be dominant 'on tap' than to be ready for sex, I have a ridiculous sex drive), but the payoff is enormous.


Subbing to the sex drive of an 's' type - Wouldn't work for me, but whatever floats your boat.

Speaking as an 's' type and only for myself, if Himself was doing something 'just' for me rather than because he truly wanted to for himself, that would bother me. Sorta of makes the whole dom/sub thing rather pointless. The 'd' side isn't in charge, the cock and cunt are. Interesting premise but not workable in my world.

The enthusiastic surrender no matter what the circumstance isn't realistic in my world, either. Sounds great in theory, but not in practice. Surrender yes, submission yes, but there are external influences that might mitigate the level of enthusiasm one may have despite how 'horny' a partner may be.

Cool for you if that all makes you happy and fills ya. At least you know what you need/want to thrive.. lots don't.





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RE: New philosophy on dominance and submission - 8/2/2009 5:24:13 AM   
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If you're in a relationship that's more than a couple of dates, the rule is to FUCKING DO IT FOR YOUR PARTNER WHETHER YOU FEEL LIKE IT OR NOT. (Communication is key, but sometimes you have to say 'fuck communication' and ACT. It can be a hard line to find.) 


You've lost me here.  Being a Dom is a state of mind, an attitude, part of who I am.  I don't "put it on". 
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if I have a girl who's feeling horny, and she's my girl, I firmly believe by god and by country it is my duty as a man to ream her hole. That's it.



As a Dom, it is my responsibility to hear her and understand where she's coming from.  If I then want to have sex, we will.  If for some reason I don't (it's 11 PM and I need to get my sleep and why for God's sake didn't she approach me sooner?). we won't.  I'm the Dom, I make the decisions.


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RE: New philosophy on dominance and submission - 8/2/2009 5:33:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DMFParadox

1st Principle: S/m is one emotion with many expressions





Dom/sub is not an emotion to me, it's what is. I'm either submissive to someone or I am dominant to them. Period. I can choose to behave in a more dominant manner, or I can feel more submissive, but the basics of how I interact with others does not change.

If this philosophy works for you, wonderful. I often ask people what their philosophy is regarding D/s and they can't tell me. It is not, however, one I buy into to.








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RE: New philosophy on dominance and submission - 8/2/2009 5:51:26 AM   
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quote:

S/m is one emotion with many expressions


I see S/m as the EXPRESSION of a persons preferred style of relationship, emotions may or may not enter into it.
 
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Aggressiveness does not Equal Dominance: It multiplies it


I completely disagree, aggression IMHO dilutes and destroys the beauty of Dominance and often makes the alleged Dominant look the fool.
 
In My world BDSM and My Dominance are not founded upon nor have any correlation to sex or sexual satisfaction--it is the framework for a relationship.
 
But these are your opinions of which your are entitled--happy reaming
 




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RE: New philosophy on dominance and submission - 8/2/2009 6:09:11 AM   
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I think it's cool that you are thinking bout your reactions, emotions etc.. and take some time to define them for yourself. One of the hazards of d/s and sm .. is that everyone doesn't use the same definitions...each person has a slightly different "take" on things.. and it's good to know-- what others might be thinking.

Can't say that your definitions/experience/ideas match up with mine, but I did find one concept in the mix I like. When you've been with the same person for a long time, just like a vanilla marriage: the ebb and flow of desire or the demands of daily life can wreak havoc on the ideal of a consistent level of satisfaction for both partners.

As the one in charge, I have to be cafeful not to let my own lack of desire or "tiredness" or whatever, screw up the dynamic. My subs are good, uncomplaining types. I need to remember that they expect me to maintain the flow, and not sink the ship by becoming complacent, tired, or inattentive to them. I am capable of it.

I'm glad you wrote your thoughts because it's a good reminder to stay on track even if not "in the mood." Saying to self
"just do it" is not a bad idea, cause often if you push yourself to play, you do find your satisfaction. If you hang back, as a dom, on all the occasions you feel less than great, you run the risk of losing passion inside the relationship.

btw i use passion loosely to mean the "juice", the excitement, sub/domme space.. whatever it is that makes you both feel vital when you are together.
so thanks for posting.
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RE: New philosophy on dominance and submission - 8/2/2009 6:42:00 AM   
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This is why I take long absences from these boards.

It's also why I sometimes want to piss on those who take a grandiose, moment in the sky view of BDSM where they feel they should be touching elbows with some Himalayan guru who is a self-proclaimed 3000 years old and who will circle earth on the wheel of time endlessly without ever dying.

Because there is always someone, somewhere, who wants to analyze in the most methodical fashion, down to the very synapse in my brain, why I like whipping her ass, fucking her like a slut, making her do the most improbable things just because they tempt my twisted brain, why tieing her to a wall and watching a whip curl about her curves and lick red slash marks across her skin makes my dick hard, why seeing her upturned ass in a pair of tight panties while the rest of her is bound, shackled or squirming because of something else mean I've done to her just floats my damn boat.

Because there is always someone, somewhere who will go round inventing more buzz words and acronyms for me to have to remember in order to come to grips with the fact they are busy attempting to categorize themselves into another box after having spent a good portion of time crawling out of the box society had pre-made for them.

You go guy.






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RE: New philosophy on dominance and submission - 8/2/2009 6:52:35 AM   
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It seems as though you are forgetting that for some people D/s has nothing to do with S/m and for others, S/m does not have anything to do with D/s.

Also, for me, aggression does not enter into my dynamic at all.

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RE: New philosophy on dominance and submission - 8/2/2009 8:39:37 AM   
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You've lost me here. Being a Dom is a state of mind, an attitude, part of who I am. I don't "put it on".


I have a different take on this. I learned dominance in my profession. I would most definitely "put it on" every morning when I went to work, and become a completely different person when I came home and took my boots off. I'm not calling myself a switch, but more recently when I began to be a Dom in my private life, it began with what I know; putting it on and assuming the role.

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RE: New philosophy on dominance and submission - 8/2/2009 8:50:19 AM   
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"I see a lot of subs complain about 'fakes' and about not feeling really kept in subspace. I don't see as many Doms or dommes complaining, but it does happen sometimes."

Of course We complain about it, but fortunately just in the early stages as most of Us weed out the smart-ass masochists, switches in disguise or other fakes before We touch them with a 10"strapon.
And aggression doesn't equal dominance: just watching a powerful handsome man in uniform strip when I give him The Look, then watching him swiftly kneel and get an erection from My whispering, 'Good dog' in his ear before I Take him, has everything to do about Dominance and little to do with aggression.

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RE: New philosophy on dominance and submission - 8/2/2009 8:52:38 AM   
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My philosophy is different and easy to remember.  It has two principles.
"Don't overthink"
"Have fun"

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RE: New philosophy on dominance and submission - 8/2/2009 9:45:22 AM   
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Well, I gotta say. This one lost me on so many levels. Right for starters, it's supposed to be a philosophy of D/s, but all I read about was S/m. The confusion between aggression and dominance is more than a little troubling.

I have to assume that this is coming more out of the "bedroom games" section of BDSM than lifestyle.

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RE: New philosophy on dominance and submission - 8/2/2009 9:50:10 AM   
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1) Since when is sadism and masochism equal to domination and submission? There are dominant masochists, sadistic subs and D types and s types that have no interest in that sort of play.

2) Aggression doesn't have any intrinsic relation to dominance. I hazard a guess it does to sadism though.

3) Golf is what people do when they want to play a round of golf. Eating is what people do when they want to eat. Sex is what people do when they want to have sex. Okay, so what?

4) You expect your partner to fake enthusiasm when she isn't. If that kind of lying works for you, fine. For a lot of us, authenticity and honesty and emotional transparency works better for us.

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RE: New philosophy on dominance and submission - 8/2/2009 10:52:59 AM   
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Congratulations on your moment of enlightenment. I hope it wasn't too stressful for you getting there.

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RE: New philosophy on dominance and submission - 8/2/2009 11:35:44 AM   
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this girl thinks : kick boxing classes make testosterone levels soar and all that excercise boosts endorphins.

Your sex motto : " Use it or lose it" or " Make hay while the sun shines" or "Do what comes naturally"

you're right it's simple

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RE: New philosophy on dominance and submission - 8/2/2009 1:31:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DMFParadox

Aggressiveness does not Equal Dominance: It multiplies it...nor does passiveness equal submission.

I do agree here, at  least for me.  I'm submissive, yet not passive at all.  I definitely do have a will and desires of my own, yet I surrender them to Sir and submit to His will.  It's almost like, if someone is too passive they aren't either, you can't tell what they are because they're a blank slate waiting for directions or for something to be put on it.

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ORIGINAL: DMFParadox

And 'sexiness' generally takes a little bit of effort; working out, eating right, taking care of yourself, the more you do the more you are.

And sexiness is in the eye of the beholder.  It's very individual.  And it can include what's inside as well as outside.  You said nothing about personality, just what's on the "outside."  I thank Goddess that my Sir sees both,  as I'm not the most beautiful submissive out there.

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I see a lot of subs complain about 'fakes' and about not feeling really kept in subspace. I don't see as many Doms or dommes complaining, but it does happen sometimes.

hahahaha  You bet it happens sometimes!  The reason you don't see as many Dom/mes complaining is you're a Dom.  I've heard plenty of Doms complain about subs who are "fakes" or "wannabes."  I got told that a LOT when I wouldn't immediately submit to "on your knees bitch" first letters, or when I'd say "No" to someone as he was not "my" Dom.  We get called that all the time because irate Doms don't get what they want from subs that aren't theirs to begin with.  As far as subspace goes, I don't look at it as something I have to have every time, I look at it as "icing on the cake."  Something extra sweet when it happens, if you will.  :)
 
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Well, the rule here is simple: Sem is like sex. If you're in a relationship that's more than a couple of dates, the rule is to FUCKING DO IT FOR YOUR PARTNER WHETHER YOU FEEL LIKE IT OR NOT. (Communication is key, but sometimes you have to say 'fuck communication' and ACT.

"Fuck communication?"  That has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard!  Without communication, what kind of relationship is there?  I would not be in a relationship where we didn't have good communication skills and use them.  It's absolutely essential.  And really, even just saying "Fuck communication and ACT," is communication of a sort, albeit one-sided.

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This is kind of expected for subs, what with the whole obedience thing... and it's kind of not demanded from Dominants or Masters. If it's the sub talking, then all they can do usually without catching shit for it is express helpless dissatisfaction, really. And that's okay, whatever floats, etc., etc..

Of course obedience is expected, but with Sir & I it goes more like this.....if I really disagree with something, first I'll beg.  He always listens for a bit and sometimes He says yes, sometimes no.  He always has the last word, and that's the way it is.  So ultimately, yes, there is always obedience.  Even after my begging, it's His will that prevails, whether He's revised it after my begging or not.

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ORIGINAL: DMFParadox

It's like this: If I am horny I expect enthusiastic satisfaction. On her period, or she's tired, doesn't matter, if I ask then I expect a yes.

With Sir & I, unless I'm half-dead, I always find some way to satisfy.  Yet at the same time, Sir doesn't want me totally wiped out giving less-than-my-usually-fantastic lip service, or whatever, and since He's always tuned in to how I feel, I'm sure there are some times He's just never told me to. 
 
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ORIGINAL: DMFParadox

Vice versa: if I have a girl who's feeling horny, and she's my girl, I firmly believe by god and by country it is my duty as a man to ream her hole. That's it.

Hmmm.  On the other hand, my Sir & I both realize that it's His right as Dominant to say "No" whenever He wishes to, and it's my place as His submissive to surrender to His wishes...and I do.

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May the flaming commence.

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RE: New philosophy on dominance and submission - 8/2/2009 1:34:45 PM   
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Congratulations on your moment of enlightenment. I hope it wasn't too stressful for you getting there.


OMG, I'm just totally....    You are too funny.  Thank you Stella.  :)

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RE: New philosophy on dominance and submission - 8/2/2009 2:35:14 PM   
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1) D/s and S/m are two different things.

2.) You say "sem" is a verb, but then you is it as an adjective. Huh?

3) You are confusing testosterone with aggression. They are not the same.

4.) Aggression has nothing to do with my dominance.

5.) "Duty... to ream her hole"? Huh? Who's the dom?  

You sound like a service top, OP.

How about a duty to properly address each other's needs, desires and goals, in order to have a mutually fulfilling life and relationship?

6.) D/s is more than an emotion. D/s is a part of my identity.


OP: you are clearly grasping at something, but appear very confused and not very self-aware. Good for you, for starting this thread! I hope it helps.




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RE: New philosophy on dominance and submission - 8/2/2009 3:47:57 PM   
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2.) You say "sem" is a verb, but then you is it as an adjective. Huh?

3) You are confusing testosterone with aggression. They are not the same.

4) Aggression has nothing to do with my dominance.

5) "Duty... to ream her hole? Huh? Who's the dom?


2)Ok, 2 got me. I did in fact use my verb as an adjective. I now pronounce it both.

3)Nope. You misunderstood my point; which was that, whatever D/s is I expect it happens in the same part of the brain. This is armchair psychology, and I'm perfectly willing to be enlightened by someone else who ISN'T an armchair psychologist.... But about that, pics or it didn't happen. Anyway. Sadism and masochism being co-located is a harder sell, but I'd believe it if a neurologist told me, you betcha; and until one does I'll happily lump them together as 'same emotion, different expression.' Because it fits in every S&M and D/s situation I've been in, doesn't hurt anything by my believing it, and because I am not a noob, which fact I can't vouch for you on.

4) Aggression happens when you stand up. You're committing aggression against displaced air. And MY dominance is more effective the more aggressive I am, to a certain point, at which it becomes less effective. Like a bell curve, with 'aggression' and 'dominance' being variables in the formula of a scene, one multiplying the other and an exponent involved. I can be quite aggressive without causing harm; 'aggressively sexual', 'aggresively pursuing', 'aggresively dominant...' But it also helps me enjoy it, because I am releasing my pent up aggression. You can nit pick that choice of words till the sun dies cold, and I will laugh at you. A lot. Kind of like I am right now.

5) Don't care whether I pass your dom test or not. If you don't perform continuous maintainance on your car, it goes to shit. If you don't perform continuous maintainance on your relationship, it goes to shit. Period. Commitment to satisfaction is one of those; like I hinted at above, it isn't necessarily a contract with your submissive but with yourself; but if you fail yourself, you're failing them too, so suck it. And btw, you fail MY Dom test. Based on arbitrary criteria. I'll bet you feel bad about that, don'tcha?

1) doesn't dignify a response. Wait, did I just respond to you on it? Now I feel bad.

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